Senators Intro 4G Disclosure Bill
I applaud this!
although I'm still unsure if customers (the average ones atleast) will still understand anything about LTE, HSPA, speeds and such.
I think a simple solution would be to tell what tech it is, and the expected speeds (and guarantee those speeds, most importantly). That's what I liked about Verizon, when they mentioned the range of speeds to be (5-12mb down and 2-5mb up), as opposed to AT&T, who's just saying, and I quote, "its 10x faster". 10x faster than what?!
yarmock said:
I do, but these brain dead senators aren't in my state.
If you think that Al Franken, a very learned man who graduated cum laude from Harvard, is a "brain dead senator," then that speaks more to your intelligence (or lack thereof) than it does to his.
AJ
And on a political note, I happen to support Al Franken and his position. He is one of the few government officials representing us on a civilian level. We need more like him.
John B.
Our national debt is nearly 14.9 trillion dollars. Until that debt is manageable no other bills should be considered.
acdc1a said:
If you believe that government has a role in everyone's life there are places other than this country where you can reside.
Excellent use of sweeping, generalized Fox News soundbites.
This is not about Government playing a role in everyone's lives. This about one of the things the Government SHOULD be doing, and frankly doing a better job of it. Consumer Advocacy.
You're correct that people can trial service and decide for themselves. That doesn't mean that companies should be allowed to misguide and/or out right lie about their services.
And if before you respond with "Free Markets regulate themselves". Please go back and review what's been going on with the Financial industry sin...
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acdc1a said:
What kind of ego-centered, entitled mentality thinks it's anyone's responsibility to protect them other than the person looking back in the mirror?
Wow, you're really good at making these broad sweeping statements.
So then in your opinion, we have no use for Police, Emergency Services (fire, medical), Armed Forces, the FDA, FCC.
In fact by this logic, you're basically advocating nothing short of an Anarchistic society where literally every man, woman, and child has to rely solely on what they can accomplish themselves.
LOL. Ah thanks for the discussion acdc1a. I didn't realize there were people as ignorant as you still kicking around this country.
Police fire and medical are LOCAL not federal in nature. Armed forces in this country, protecting this country are certainly necessary. Policing the world, not so much.
How did this become about anything other than the Nanny State dictating a 4G standard?
Because the industry is new, and as such it is one of the few areas of the economy that the government hasn't yet regulated into oblivion....
This freedom that we enjoy is now in danger of dying, and regulations like this are nothing less than a rope tightening around the neck of the wireless industry to hasten its death. There are those who don't want it to die, and the sponsors of this bill ight now are standing beside the body screaming 'tighten that rope, it ain't dying fast enough'.....
2) Show me hard evidence that regulations have killed an industry.
Please sit down and think about it before criticizing something good coming out of Washington D.C. for once. Instead, direct your concerns to the issues you would like abolished.
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But when it is the government ITSELF which is the coercive and anti-competitive monopoly, who is going to step in and say 'now, now government, you can't be a monopoly' and provide some healthy competition?
Now I'm not saying our Government is without flaw, but I do give credit when they do consider our needs. Since I am a consumer, I will fight to have choices and the righ...
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You have GOT to be kidding me...
Every year corporations in America spend the equivalent of the GNP of Canada simply to comply with federal regulations. You don't think that massive waste of money is economically harmful?
There is little domestic manufacturing, it's all been outsourced overseas....guess why?
The American auto industry is on its last legs, and will be extinct before long, guess why?
The banks are all going bankrupt, guess why?
Consider the impact of government regulation....it stalls innovation and halts progress.
When was the last time there was a new 'wonder drug' released?
From 1900-1950 was a period of vast expansion of the phar...
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Yes. This would save us a ton of cash. However, I don't think we could guarantee what condition society would be in. Would we?
There is such thing as over regulation. But there is also such a thing as too much of bad and not enough good. That is what we should be focusing on. Get rid of the bad and allow the good.
I stand by my belief that protecting the consumers and homeland should be optimal in congress' obligation. Do not take this action and cast it aside as just another regulation. It is for the consumer interests and that's...
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It is the responsibility of consumers, before they spend their own money, to find out what things like '4G' mean...and it isn't hard to do that, all they have to do is spend 5 minutes at wikipedia...or look at carrier web pages.....it's not a huge investment of time or resources...
I think paying Government to act as a maid so I can spend the time to concentrate on these more important aspects, is worth it. It doesn't mean I can't do the other things.
John B.
T Bone said:
You really think that increasing the cost of doing business by that much doesn't have a detrimental effect on the economy?
Do you really think that business and industry have proven themselves principled enough to act virtuously without regulation? History, which you love to reference, has demonstrated largely the opposite result.
Yet, you would throw out numerous federal regulations, thus "throw under the bus" workers' rights, consumers' rights, public safety, the environment, etc.
You deserve to stumble and have the bus roll over you, back up, and roll over you again.
AJ
Each one of your "statements" is concluded with a question of "guess why?" Which you then fail to answer for me.
The key to presenting a strong and convincing argument is to provide a clear and thorough point that is supported by factual evidence.
You have done nothing here but write up what appears to be a talking points for Glenn Beck.
PS The banking industry was on the verge of collapse BECAUSE we de-regulated the industry. De-regulation allowed savings and loan banks to become investment banks as well. Then thanks to relaxations in the mortgage indus...
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Fairness is a subjective concept, no two people can ever agree on what the word means in any particular context.
Life is inherently unfair...let's get real, the government cannot fix that.
No matter what is said or done, 50% of the population will always have an income below the national median....government can't fix that.
But that was a damn good straw man argument, I'll give you that.
T Bone said:
No matter what is said or done, 50% of the population will always have an income below the national median....government can't fix that.
If every term in the set is equal, then no term is less than nor greater than the median.
AJ
There's a country for you, it's Cuba. Even they've put in reforms to allow for capitalism which will bring income disparity. Median by definition means 1/2 make more and 1/2 make less.
acdc1a said:
So in your world AJ, the doctor makes the same as the garbage man who makes the same as the guy flipping burgers who makes the same as the guy on the automotive assembly line.
There's a country for you, it's Cuba. Even they've put in reforms to allow for capitalism which will bring income disparity. Median by definition means 1/2 make more and 1/2 make less.
Nope. The bluster above is all yours.
I merely pointed out yet another flaw -- an overlooked possibility -- in T Bone's reasoning. You then added to the comedy of errors with your wild assumption about my economic views.
Rational, critical thinking is in short supply in this forum, sadly.
AJ
then maybe they deserve to be scammed.
Honestly.....it isn't that hard to find this stuff out.....just to the carrier webpage where it is all spelled out, then go to 'wikipedia.org' and look up '4G' and read what the article says....
There has to come a point where we expect people to be intelligent....rather than expecting the government to spoon feed us cherry picked information which serves its own agenda.....(Do you think the information provided by government is unbiased? Come on man you're smarter than that)
I will not get into a debate on who is best and who's marketing is true. But if you are shopping YOU have the ability to do research. I have friends with TMO, VZW, SPRINT and AT&T. If I was in the market for a new phone and carrier I WOULD PLAY WITH THEIR PHONES!!!!!
Go to speedtest.net on them and use the data.
Maybe this is the whole problem with our society. They want someone to do it for them. Regulate this and tell me I can do th...
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I seriously doubt whether we really need an FCC...
Let's not forget where the FCC originated...
During the FDR administration, many radio stations started running shows hosted by people who were fiercely critical of the New Deal....
FDR, fascist that he was, thought dissent was something up with which he will not put....so the FCC was created to create arbitrary rules which could be used to force those dissenting voice off the air....and the effort was successful....
The FCC was originally founded for the express purpose of limiting free speech, it has not wavered from that mission.
Learn history buddy what I said is correct.
AJ
In every single post you have made, you reference history and "fact". But when asked to provide support for all these claims you're making, you have yet to provide anything in the way of support of those claims.
I will tell you what, I will start taking you seriously when you can provide me with some references supporting all of your claims.
Until then, my tin hat theory remains.
And just yesterday I read that 50% of the population has an income less than the median income. Hopefully they will start working on fixing that soon.
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