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No surprise at all.

Jayshmay

Oct 4, 2011, 8:44 AM
Anybody who was hoping for an LTE-enabled Iphone is naive. Apple is more about fashion than function. Tim Cook said the battery would have to be bigger to support LTE. Apple cares more about putting out a slim Iphone than a functional one that is up to date in late 2011.

I have the Samsung Droid Charge, it has LTE, AND it's slim.
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EliteABombAZ

Oct 4, 2011, 8:52 AM
Jayshmay said:
Apple cares more about putting out a slim Iphone than a functional one that is up to date in late 2011.

I have the Samsung Droid Charge, it has LTE, AND it's slim.


I didn't know that HSPA+ phones were non functional.

Oh..., enjoy your 4 hour battery life on LTE.
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Jayshmay

Oct 4, 2011, 8:54 AM
Sure HSPA+ is functional,. . .where the backhaul exists to support HSPA 21.
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Kenzin

Oct 4, 2011, 8:59 AM
4 hour battery life? Only if you are someone who doesn't know how to use their phone properly.
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famoussasjohn

Oct 4, 2011, 9:34 AM
by not using the device at all and turning the 4G off right?
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Kenzin

Oct 4, 2011, 10:02 AM
Naw, simple things. Killing background programs, shutting off external antennas (WiFi / BT), turning off Auto-Brightness, etc. etc. Reading the description of an application before installing and running it...I.E. Logic 🙂
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Jellz

Oct 4, 2011, 11:17 AM
I can get two days easy out of my iPhone 3GS, almost two years old now. It's easy, turn off 3G data when I'm not using it, turn off location services, turn down brightness unless I'm outside using the phone, etc. Basically, if you're not using it, turn it off. Killing background apps also helps with saving both battery and data if you're on a capped data plan.
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T Bone

Oct 4, 2011, 8:55 AM
The real reason why the iPhone 5 will not support LTE is because Apple has a consistent policy of leaving out 'big' features so that people will want to upgrade. This is the reason why the first generation iPhone didn't have 3G, even though in 2007 3G was more common than 4G is today.
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Jayshmay

Oct 4, 2011, 8:57 AM
Well 4G is pretty common on Vzn's network, more than a hundred markets, right, and it hasn't even been a full year yet since.launch.
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T Bone

Oct 4, 2011, 10:37 AM
But most of the people buying this phone will be signing two year commitments and by the time the contract is done LTE should be in the majority of markets. So building it in NOW would be a good idea.

What I do find funny is that both Apple and RIM take the same attitude towards 'newfangled technology' which is 'let's not add it to our phones until it's fully tested, because we don't want to degrade performance with specs that only half work'

But while Apple gets praised for that, RIM gets hammered, by the very same people who praise Apple. So the argument apparently is 'the fact that Apple is always one generation behind proves that Apple is awesome, but RIM always being one generation behind proves that RIM sucks.'
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netboy

Oct 4, 2011, 9:24 AM
Jayshmay QUOTE "Apple is more about fashion than function. Tim Cook said the battery would have to be bigger to support LTE. Apple cares more about putting out a slim Iphone than a functional one that is up to date in late 2011"

same BS that was said when the first iphone 2g edge was released, "we didnt put 3G in cus it' makes the phone bigger"
but why put 4G LTE in, sheep will buy anything with a fruit on it! let make them buy again next year on iphone 6 LTE
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Rich Brome

Oct 4, 2011, 9:49 AM
Actually, what he said was that the phone would have to be bigger with first-generation chipsets. There are always compromises with first-generation chipsets, so that's not surprising.

Apple will offer an LTE iPhone sooner or later; they've said as much. "When the time is right", etc.

We're getting to the point now where Apple may have access to second-gen chipsets, so we'll have to see whether those chipsets are small and/or efficient enough for Apple to use them.
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Jayshmay

Oct 4, 2011, 9:55 AM
Well, like I said, the Droid Charge is LTE, and it's comparebly thin as the Iphone.
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tdn_74

Oct 4, 2011, 10:05 AM
AT&T has the largest 3G network. Once they open their 4G network, who do you think will have the largest? Why release a phone with 4G capability (and likely increase the cost of the phone) when the network the phone is on is not 4G yet? AT&T's iPhone set the original standard for smartphones when it came out. ALL other companies have been playing catch-up since the iPhone's release. Other companies are busting out their 4G networks only to attempt getting a jump on AT&T before they start their 4G network (and subsequent phones).
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Sisyphus

Oct 4, 2011, 10:13 AM
Really? Care to back that one up with facts?
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speed4evr

Oct 4, 2011, 10:38 AM
ATT is in a shortage of spectrum to bulild out thier 4G LTE network, Thus the reason they're trying to buy T-Mobile USA. They've stated to the FCC that cant compete/build out their 4G LTE network without T-Mobile USA's spectrum. Sprint has extremely more spectrum for 4G resources compared to ATT and Verizon.
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speed4evr

Oct 4, 2011, 11:18 AM
***Forgot to include this
😁

http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/29/att-network-ran ked-worst-among-major-u-s-carriers-by-j-d-pow er/
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Rich Brome

Oct 4, 2011, 10:10 AM
The Charge is 25% thicker than the iPhone 4, and much larger in the other dimensions.

But I'm not trying to defend Apple, just clarifying what they've said on the matter. I'm sure Apple could have made an LTE iPhone if they really wanted to, but so far they've chosen not to. (We'll see if that changes later today.)
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terryjohnson16

Oct 4, 2011, 11:26 AM
I think it has something to also do with AT&T not having LTE up yet fully.
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Jellz

Oct 4, 2011, 11:33 AM
Verizon has a lot of LTE coverage, and they make iPhones for them now.
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terryjohnson16

Oct 4, 2011, 11:46 AM
Apple has not made an LTE iPhone for anyone. LTE is still brand new, and they won't have an LTE iPhone for sale until maybe next year.
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timmy23

Oct 4, 2011, 10:03 AM
They also said that users SHOULD experience up to 3x faster download and upload speeds, CLOSE TO but not quite up to par with full 4G LTE speeds.
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fyrfyter

Oct 4, 2011, 10:23 AM
That is BEST case scenario, if you really understand cell phones and cellular networks. That MIGHT happen if you have full signal in an HSPA+ area, and you are the only person on the cellular network. Its all in theory. In reality, the speeds WILL be much slower than that, and aren't going to be near 4G-LTE or WiMax. I think Apple is really missing the boat on this one. What happens when VZW decides to switch the majority of their traffic to data over LTE including VOIP traffic? Yeah, that great new iPhone is going to be obsolete before it even hits the shelves.
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timmy23

Oct 4, 2011, 10:36 AM
I've had an iPhone on AT&T's network since the first day the first one came out. I briefly switched to a Verizon iPhone 4 from Feb. 2011 to July 2011 because I thought the network would be better. I have absolutely zero complaints about AT&T's 3G network speeds I get in my 72,000 population city in eastern central Wisconsin. Both networks seemed to perform at the same level, and by switching back to AT&T, I saved about $55.00 per month on my cell bill.

I personally don't think they are "missing the boat" by foregoing making the next iPhone a 4G capable phone. I do however think it will hurt Sprint to offer the iPhone since they currently offer numerous WiMax phones, but I digress.

The real reason I don't think they are missing th...
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Jellz

Oct 4, 2011, 11:20 AM
Video calls and video games. I've been streaming high-def video from Netflix on my iPhone, tethered to my laptop hooked up to a TV via HDMI lately. Works just fine, with some random hiccups for buffering (and this is on a loaded 3G network with hundreds or even thousands of iPhones connected, seeing as I'm in a college campus with large amounts of people with iPhones).

But video calls and games both need low pings that only 4G speeds can provide. So that's the main usage for now. And I'm talking LTE 4G, not HSPA+ or WiMax.
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bluecoyote

Oct 4, 2011, 11:19 AM
And not shipping something with half-baked LTE support (ala Droid Charge and HTC Thunderbolt.)
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Jayshmay

Oct 4, 2011, 11:23 AM
What do you mean half-baked LTE support. Droid Charge has LTE, blazzzing fast speeds too.
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iDont Care

Oct 4, 2011, 11:30 AM
Jayshmay said:
What do you mean half-baked LTE support. Droid Charge has LTE, blazzzing fast speeds too.


Don't pay attention this clown. She's just here to troll cause of the iPhone announcement. Ignore.
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