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Change of heart

jhmlbrgr

Jun 23, 2004, 8:18 AM
Hmm.......Sounds to me think Sprint realizes that they dropped the bal with the EV-DO vs. EV-DV decision. While VZW is getting raze reveiws about EV-DO in the DC and San Diego Sprint was caught with there pants down, so to speak. 🤭
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Big Poppa

Jun 23, 2004, 10:28 AM
Unlikely that is the case... Sprint usually would let Verizon give people a taste of what is coming, and the release something better across the network at the same time..

Like 3G for example.. Verzion first offered 3G service in OK City before Sprint, and then Sprint busted out with Nationwide 3g service all at one time.
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vkreator

Jun 23, 2004, 11:11 AM
Exactly,


Another example,

Verizon PTT was terrible, and was only on one handset in a limited market. Sprint's Readylink has not been advertised and is doing great.
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jhmlbrgr

Jun 23, 2004, 1:15 PM
What are you talking about EV-DO is 3g and before it there was no 3g in the US.
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SPCSVZWJeff

Jun 23, 2004, 5:10 PM
Just to put the record straight: CDMA 2000 is a 3G platform. When WCDMA comes out it will be a 3G platform. So CDMA 2000 is 3G. There are some people with the myopia that only WCDMA is 3G. Early in the 3G game it was widely acknowledged that both CDMA2000 and WCDMA are 3G platforms. To say that there was no 3G before EVDO is like saying there was no 2G before GPRS.

Sprint's decision is a sound decision, not a concession. It is based on the reality that in a competitive marketplace they must equal their strongest competitor. They need EVDO now and will implement EVDV when it is available or even skip EVDV if something better comes along.

It really doesn't matter because both Sprint and Verizon have at least 2-3 years head start on the ...
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Rich Brome

Jun 23, 2004, 6:45 PM
SPCSVZWJeff said:
Just to put the record straight: CDMA 2000 is a 3G platform. When WCDMA comes out it will be a 3G platform. So CDMA 2000 is 3G. There are some people with the myopia that only WCDMA is 3G. Early in the 3G game it was widely acknowledged that both CDMA2000 and WCDMA are 3G platforms. To say that there was no 3G before EVDO is like saying there was no 2G before GPRS.


I'm going to have to disagree. When you talk about CDMA 2000, you're implying CDMA 2000 1xRTT. It's not that I think 1xRTT is or isn't 3G... I just think it's an invalid argument to have.

EV-DO is even more different from 1xRTT than 1xRTT is from IS-95. But the point is that they're all different. To go by data rates alone, ...
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Chamiltor

Jun 28, 2004, 12:58 PM
From what I understand, and I am not any kind of authority, but CDMA2000 1xRTT has been known as 3G for the past year at least. Not only by it's users, but by the wireless companies and the rest of the wireless world. Could be wrong.
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muchdrama

Jun 28, 2004, 2:17 PM
Chamiltor said:
From what I understand, and I am not any kind of authority, but CDMA2000 1xRTT has been known as 3G for the past year at least. Not only by it's users, but by the wireless companies and the rest of the wireless world. Could be wrong.
Well...1xRTT is capable of speeds up to 144 kbps. In bursts or course...from my experience speeds average 60-80 kbps. Supposedly, in order for data to be considered 3g, speeds must make the 144 kbps mark. Me? I think if you're not running consistently at 144 kbps, you're not running at 3g speeds.
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viper

Jun 23, 2004, 1:32 PM
I think what has happened is that the latest release of EV-DO includes a lot of the features of EV-DV that sprint was holding out for.

The competitive picture played a role as well. Cingular is talking about WCDMA hsdpa and verizon is doing DO as well. No one knows what nextel and t-mobile will do.

I would love to see the data regarding actual EV-DO usage and take up rates. I don't think verizon has all that many users on DO and i don't think they are getting all that much money out of EV-DO. I think its biggest impact is in keeping or attracting coporate customers in general even though they may not actually use DO much if at all.
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Rich Brome

Jun 23, 2004, 6:23 PM
viper said:
I think what has happened is that the latest release of EV-DO includes a lot of the features of EV-DV that sprint was holding out for.


Actually, there are two versions of each standard. (It's never simple, is it? 😉 )

EV-DV release C (the first version) has the same speeds and most of the same features as EV-DO release (the current version).

Meanwhile, release D of EV-DV, and release A of EV-DO, boost the forward rates from 2.4 to 3.1 Mbps, and boost the reverse (upload) rates to 1.8 Mbps, to support things like video calling and fast uploading of megapixel photos.

But both versions of EV-DV, and release A of EV-DO, are all still a couple of years away. So in order to launc...
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Rich Brome

Jun 23, 2004, 6:47 PM
Sorry - that 2nd paragraph should read:

EV-DV release C (the first version) has the same speeds and most of the same features as EV-DO release 0 (the current version).
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kp2575

Jun 23, 2004, 7:03 PM
If you look at a lot of tech magazines and even newspaper reviews of Verizon's EVDO setup in San Diego, Washington, and in areas where they have set it up for trade shows they are all glowing reviews.

Think about having a cell phone and paying 79.99 a month for DSL like speeds anywhere that is covered by their enhanced network. Why pay 49.99 a month for your home connection, espically if you have a laptop? This is the future of internet connections and this has to have a lot of companies concerned. Wi-fi is going to be the equivalent of an 8-track player.

Sprint has to see this and they know they had to act. Verizon is eying the business customers more and more. Push to talk (albeit a rather large failure), global phone, and this are...
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viper

Jun 24, 2004, 8:26 AM
"Think about having a cell phone and paying 79.99 a month for DSL like speeds anywhere that is covered by their enhanced network. Why pay 49.99 a month for your home connection, espically if you have a laptop?"

kp2575,

I don't think EV-DO has the capacity to support many users doing that given the existing spectrum holdings of most carriers.

What you described is exactly the market trial that nextel is conducting right now in Raleigh Durham. Nextel has a big fat chunk of spectrum up at 2.5-2.8 GHz. They are using flarion gear for the trial. I put the links below. Judging from their service offerings, Nextel appears to be testing the business case of data, something which no one has figured out beyond SMS and imode. whoever figures t...
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viper

Jun 24, 2004, 8:03 AM
richard,

thank you for the excellent post. The current release of EV-DO supports low latency operation as well making EV-DO at least theoretically capable of voice over IP. I am not saying it will be used for that any time soon if at all but it makes for an interesting variable.

the other issue is support. EV-DO has a good amount of vendor support already. There is a lot more uncertainty hanging around EV-DV product support.

I still question the actual impact of EV-DO on the market though. Last i looked verizon was making very little of its money from data and less still from enterprise data.

Cingular and Sprint's announcements (HSPDA and EV-DO) suggest that data is important to someone.
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Rich Brome

Jun 24, 2004, 8:21 AM
viper said:
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I still question the actual impact of EV-DO on the market though. Last i looked verizon was making very little of its money from data and less still from enterprise data.

Cingular and Sprint's announcements (HSPDA and EV-DO) suggest that data is important to someone.


I think the issue is speed. 1xRTT and EDGE are slow. For someone used to broadband (any corporate user) they seem downright pokey. But when people can get broadband speeds anywhere - no compromises - I think that's pretty compelling. It means people can actually get work done from anywhere, not just "stay in touch" like now.

But it's also part of a bigger picture. I think eventually, the cell phone companies will...
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