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How will we be unaffected?

kpmd

May 25, 2004, 11:03 AM
I probably don't understand this fully but as a T-Mobile subscriber in NY, how is it that I will be unaffected by this? If we will no longer be sharing with Cingular, won't that reduce coverage for us?

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shiroitora

May 25, 2004, 12:38 PM
It's not that Cingular and T-Mobile were sharing in New York. Basically the way it was set up was that T-Mobile used Cingular's network in California and Cingular used T-Mobile's network in New York. It was a little more complicated then that but that was the basic idea. The network itself isn't going anywhere. T-Mobile isn't giving up it's towers in New York. T-Mobile is activating more cell sites more quickly in New York than in any other market. The coverage is only going to get better.
I hope that answers your question.
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muchdrama

May 25, 2004, 12:39 PM
kpmd said:
I probably don't understand this fully but as a T-Mobile subscriber in NY, how is it that I will be unaffected by this? If we will no longer be sharing with Cingular, won't that reduce coverage for us?

Clueless...

I'm also a little befuddled by this news. I understand that Cingular will sell its spectrum in the Nevada area to Tmobile because of the spectrum it's gaining from ATTWS, but what about New York? Is the 10mhz Tmobile's selling Cingular just a portion of the spectrum it controls? I'm assuming this is what what they are talking about.
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shiroitora

May 25, 2004, 12:42 PM
Exactly. T-Mobile won't be giving up the entirety of it's resources. T-Mobile isn't looking to lose markets. Especially one as large as New York.
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MrFisch13

May 25, 2004, 1:35 PM
here just read the last line

Both Cingular and T-Mobile customers will be unaffected by the deal.
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Rich Brome

May 25, 2004, 2:54 PM
muchdrama said:
... but what about New York? Is the 10mhz Tmobile's selling Cingular just a portion of the spectrum it controls? ...


Yes. In the area they're talking about - BTA 321 (NYC) - Cingular and T-Mobile currently share Block A, which is 30 MHz, and T-Mobile has the 10-Mhz Block D all to itself.

The way I read the press release, since this 10 MHz Cingular is getting is "part of the dissolution terms originally agreed in 2001", I assume it's simply 10 of the 30 MHz they currently share.

If that's true, that would still leave T-Mobile with 30 MHz total in the NYC area, which is plenty. But even if that's not the case, I think it's safe to say that T-Mobile is keeping what they think they need. ...
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muchdrama

May 25, 2004, 4:00 PM
Rich Brome said:
muchdrama said:
... but what about New York? Is the 10mhz Tmobile's selling Cingular just a portion of the spectrum it controls? ...


Yes. In the area they're talking about - BTA 321 (NYC) - Cingular and T-Mobile currently share Block A, which is 30 MHz, and T-Mobile has the 10-Mhz Block D all to itself.

The way I read the press release, since this 10 MHz Cingular is getting is "part of the dissolution terms originally agreed in 2001", I assume it's simply 10 of the 30 MHz they currently share.

If that's true, that would still leave T-Mobile with 30 MHz total in the NYC area, which is plenty. But even if that's not the case, I think it's safe to say that T-Mobile i
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Rich Brome

May 25, 2004, 2:25 PM
No. In fact, the opposite. Several years ago, that network (NY-area) belonged 100% to T-Mobile. Then they struck a deal with Cingular to share it. Same network, just added Cingular customers.

But after the merger is complete, the NY-area Cingular customers will be moved to the old AT&T Wireless network. That means T-Mobile gets its NY-area network all to itself again. Since that means fewer customers overall using that network, some problem areas might actually improve. 🙂
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Rich Brome

May 25, 2004, 3:23 PM
It definitely sounds like a major shift and something that could affect everyone, but here's the skinny on why they say all customers should be "unaffected by the deal":
  1. T-Mobile customers will be unaffected because the networks that were previously shared will now be owned by T-Mobile. Simple.

  2. Cingular customers that previously used the shared networks will be transitioned to the networks acquired in the purchase of AT&T Wireless. This will happen behind the scenes - customers won't have to do anything. Naturally, the old (shared) and new (ATTWS) networks do not have identical coverage, which is why...

  3. This deal includes a four-year "transition period" where Cingular customers will still be able to use the old sha
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jukebox2

May 25, 2004, 3:33 PM
How does this overall differ? Is 1900 better than 850? Would the GSM bands be as good as CDMA? I am confused ( I guess lost is more like it ).
Thanks
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Rich Brome

May 25, 2004, 4:36 PM
jukebox2 said:
How does this overall differ?

Basically, it doesn't. Major infrastructure and money is changing hands, but the net effect for customers should be nothing. That's because this is all tied to the merger of Cingular and AT&T Wireless. The major changes (most of them good) will all come from that, not this.


Is 1900 better than 850?

That's actually not relevant to this. T-Mobile has always been 1900-only, and that will not change. Cingular (and AT&T Wireless) is a mix of 850 and 1900, and again that will not change.


Would the GSM bands be as good as CDMA?

CDMA is not involved here. All the networks involved here are GSM.

Cingular will...
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jukebox2

May 26, 2004, 6:34 AM
Rich Brome said:
jukebox2 said:
How does this overall differ?

Basically, it doesn't. Major infrastructure and money is changing hands, but the net effect for customers should be nothing. That's because this is all tied to the merger of Cingular and AT&T Wireless. The major changes (most of them good) will all come from that, not this.


Is 1900 better than 850?

That's actually not relevant to this. T-Mobile has always been 1900-only, and that will not change. Cingular (and AT&T Wireless) is a mix of 850 and 1900, and again that will not change.


Would the GSM bands be as good as CDMA?

CDMA is not involved here. All the networks in
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