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Stinks to be HTC, Samsung, LG, Sony Ericsson, Dell, etc...

bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 3:25 PM
The only good thing for these companies is Motorola's (ancient, keep in mind this company hasn't produced anything groundbreaking in nearly a decade) patent portfolio is a suitable defense. Considering they were already fighting a losing battle with Microsoft and Apple has plans in the works, it's probably only valid against Oracle (though don't expect Oracle to back down after the Rubin emails.)

But the bigger problem is that a hardware manufacturer now has inside access to Android's source code (Android isn't really 'open' , much of the source code remains proprietary.) This leaves manufacturers such as HTC and Samsung with no competitive leverage. As long as Motorola is under Google's umbrella, you'd better believe Google is going to t...
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tbacba

Aug 15, 2011, 3:56 PM
"keep in mind this company hasn't produced anything groundbreaking in nearly a decade"
Wrong -- see original Droid

"Android isn't really 'open' , much of the source code remains proprietary."
Wrong -- you may have mistaken Android for Apple 🤭

"...or else they'll be trampled by Apple"
Wrong -- check latest figures for most popular OS

Facts are so darn inconvenient! 🤣
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bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 4:16 PM
1) The original Droid wasn't a groundbreaking device. It was 3rd rate hardware on a form factor that was already existing. It is Motorola's most significant achievement recently but it's no G1 or even Nexus One.

2) http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/921911 5/Google_claims_Microsoft_improperly_showed_A ndroid_code_to_expert

There you go. See the word "proprietary?"

3) A lot of Android devices are selling, but they're being used as feature phones. The platform is going nowhere. The return rate is between 30-40% of Android handsets, the SDK is about 2 generations behind iOS, and the overall health of the platform is terrible. iOS absolutely clobbers it in terms of platform, and that's what matters. Look at any usage statistic and yo...
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IrishCarBomb

Aug 15, 2011, 5:05 PM
1. Motorola's Droid line up on Verizon has been very strong, to say the least. As well, the Xoom was the first Honeycomb tablet... a little ground breaking, there, no?

2. Nobody can figure out what the heck they are even talking about, BTW, since it is 100% open source. What they might be talking about is that Honeycomb hasn't been fully released yet to the public, but will be in due time. Every manufacturer gets the same access, though, since they all have the same license and access rights.

3. Those return rates are total BS some moron pulled out of his rear end, had to retract, and might get sued over. As well, the Android SDK is also younger than Apples, so of course it will be a couple generations behind, but it has more AP...
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iDont Care

Aug 15, 2011, 5:27 PM
Don't feed pretentious trolls like blue. He's just trying to start $hit. Occasionally he does make valid points for which I do give credit but most of the time he is trolling and probably still living at home in his parents basement googling $hit all day and thinking that makes him intelligent.

Here's the thing, modern technology such as the the internet has made it possible to "know" a lot of things but not necessarily understand it. That's blue's problem. Knowledge but lacks the wisdom to know the difference.

Just ignore Irish.
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bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 6:21 PM
Or you know, I make my money writing software for these platforms.
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bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 6:19 PM
1) What's your metric? The LG EnV posted similar sales numbers. The iPhone on Verizon outsells both.The Xoom? If by the same metric you consider the JooJoo groundbreaking.

2) If code is proprietary, it's not open. Period. Google does not give everyone the same access (see the Skyhook lawsuit in which Google threatened to revoke features to Motorola.)

3) Check your facts. As an aside, they're probably conservative going by channel sales. The return rate on Android tablets is even higher. Regarding development, who cares if has more API's (redundant to OS features) or features alone? Nobody does, because they're all poorly implemented. Although that theoretically allows for a wider range of possibility, betting against OS features is a...
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Overmann

Aug 15, 2011, 5:28 PM
You're losing your edge, BC. Just like previous iPhone users are giving Motorola 4G phones a shot. And sticking with it.

As for returns, I never had an Android Phone come back for good when I worked at a Verizon store. Especially not 50% of them!
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bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 6:20 PM
What Motorola 4G phones are you referring to?
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bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 6:26 PM
My Android return numbers came from my connections with various carriers, as well as my own metrics and browsing history (we know when a user switches devices or owns a device for less than a week.)

3rd party estimates are in line with what TechCrunch is reporting:
http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/26/androids-dirty-secr ... »
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IrishCarBomb

Aug 15, 2011, 6:35 PM
And this was debunked and proven false. You don't have connections with the industry more so than any of us (some of us actually are privy to return rates inside our company, BTW, and those numbers are way out of line).

Also, if return rates were that high for Android devices, nobody would be making them nor would they be turning out record profits. They would be bankrupt for return rates at those levels.

Also, every manufacturer would be committing securities and exchange fraud, because they all report (on their FCC filings) much lower return rates in the low single digit range. To do that, and actually be in the "30-40%" range would have them in HUGE trouble and fined hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.
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bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 8:14 PM
Actually, it wasn't. I'm sure you've got estimates for your store and possibly through some sales channels. That's great, but don't counter it with a claim of the whole company. Yes, I've got more connections with you and most on this site, deal with it.

Second, maybe you're not paying attention to the industry. The only Android manufacturer turning out record profits is HTC (who has the lowest return rate of the big players.) Motorola, with their "Groundbreaking" Droid lineup isn't turning out record profits (just a cool 56 million dollar loss.) Samsung no longer is breaking out numbers.
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IrishCarBomb

Aug 15, 2011, 8:35 PM
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/40-of-android-phones-a ... »

I bet they have better sources than you. And yes, I get to see company wide return rates. I am on the phone selection committee for my company, and am the vice chair of it.

And maybe you are not paying attention to reality, because, as the article says:

"To think that 40% of many Android handsets are returned across the board, however, is crazy." (BGR)
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bluecoyote

Aug 15, 2011, 8:56 PM
Maybe you didn't read the article. BGR isn't citing anything or actually offering any data to back it up. (Interesting some of the employees who actually sell the devices are echoing the statements below.

BGR is usually pretty good. But not always.
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IrishCarBomb

Aug 16, 2011, 1:00 AM
And techcrunch isn't citing anything specific, only 1 unnamed "source" and they don't make any claim as to who/what they are a source of overall... however, BGR points out their sources are referring to industry wide.

Plus, these companies are publicly traded and report these figures to stock holders and the FCC. Clearly, there is a huge chasm between what is being reported (BGR figures and others) and what 1 online publication, that is possibly going to be sued, proven wrong by reality.

You are clearly an apple 'fanboi' troll. I could careless what you say, and only respond because I enjoy seeing you squirm with more lies and flawed logic in your responses. Keep them coming, as you make the Tea Party look logical.
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