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Take that verizon

viper

May 4, 2004, 1:38 PM
this is actually entertaining.

Verizon proposes that nextel should pay 3-5 times more than Nextel's initial proposal for less useful spectrum (2.1 GHz)

Nextel comes back and says no..we think we'll pay less than our initial proposal for 1.9 GHz and we have broadcasters backing us up.
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muchdrama

May 4, 2004, 1:43 PM
viper said:
this is actually entertaining.

Verizon proposes that nextel should pay 3-5 times more than Nextel's initial proposal for less useful spectrum (2.1 GHz)

Nextel comes back and says no..we think we'll pay less than our initial proposal for 1.9 GHz and we have broadcasters backing us up.

Nextel's starting to get desperate, huh?
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jgibson

May 4, 2004, 4:53 PM
No Nextel is getting smart. If one road is block you find another road even if it is long. Nextel’s not just going to give up because someone is trying to stand in its way. Nextel is a company of doers not quitters.
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muchdrama

May 4, 2004, 10:18 PM
jgibson said:
No Nextel is getting smart. If one road is block you find another road even if it is long. Nextel’s not just going to give up because someone is trying to stand in its way. Nextel is a company of doers not quitters.

And you're what, the corporate cheerleader? I was referring to Nextel trying to weasel out of paying what this spectrum is actually worth by offering lame proposals like this one.
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jhmlbrgr

May 4, 2004, 7:01 PM
First of all it was not VZW wanting Nextel to pay 3 billion it was the CTIA. And VZW has nothing against Nextel getting that 1900 spectrum as long as they are willing to pay what it is worth. If Netel out bid VZW and all other companies for that spectrum it would then they would get it fair and square, but for the FCC to hand they that much spectrum for next to nothing is not fair at all.
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MW2

May 4, 2004, 8:15 PM
well to play devil's advocate,
it was the fcc who sold nextel the problem causing spectrum in the first place. secondly, nextel is giving up their spectrum w/o any kind of reimbursement for it.
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muchdrama

May 4, 2004, 10:27 PM
MW2 said:
well to play devil's advocate,
it was the fcc who sold nextel the problem causing spectrum in the first place. secondly, nextel is giving up their spectrum w/o any kind of reimbursement for it.

I agree about the FCC being less than efficient. But I don't agree about everyone thinking Nextel is an angel in this whole mess in regards to "giving up" spectrum. Nextel doesn't give a rat's butt about this spectrum in the 700mhz, 800mhz and 900mhz bands. If they get 1900mhz PCS spectrum for the pittance they're offering (paying for the retuning of public safety) they'll have made out like BANDITS.
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MW2

May 5, 2004, 2:29 PM
i'm not disagreeing that nextel isn't an angel in all this. hell they probably knew what they were doing when they got the spectrum they did from the fcc. but they are having to give up the spectrum they have now and are not getting any kind of compesation for it. so i do think they should get SOME KIND of deal for having to acquire the new spectrum, be what it may.
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muchdrama

May 5, 2004, 6:14 PM
MW2 said:
i'm not disagreeing that nextel isn't an angel in all this. hell they probably knew what they were doing when they got the spectrum they did from the fcc. but they are having to give up the spectrum they have now and are not getting any kind of compesation for it. so i do think they should get SOME KIND of deal for having to acquire the new spectrum, be what it may.

M...if Nextel somehow manages to get the spectrum they desire at the price ($800 something million...plus give up some spectrum in the 700mhz, 800mhz and 900mhz bands) they desire, it would be a sweetheart deal. The spectrum they want is worth billions.
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Worf

May 4, 2004, 8:44 PM
VZW is behind it all. Get a clue. They are doing thier absolute best to keep Nextel out of that MHZ range. I'm positive they are resorting to political bribes as well. VZW is in danger of losing market share big time. Nextel provides a better service, and its VZW that is running scared, doing everthing it can to protect itself from a better provider.
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muchdrama

May 4, 2004, 10:31 PM
Worf said:
VZW is behind it all. Get a clue. They are doing thier absolute best to keep Nextel out of that MHZ range. I'm positive they are resorting to political bribes as well. VZW is in danger of losing market share big time. Nextel provides a better service, and its VZW that is running scared, doing everthing it can to protect itself from a better provider.

Ha! Look! Someone's reading between the lines! I think this is absolutely correct. Especially about the political aspect (if you really think the CTIA's not getting kickbacks, bribes or just outright cash infusions from Verizon...you're on crack). Verizon IS in big trouble if Nextel gets this spectrum, converts to CDMA, and puts its Qchat CDMA pus...
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muchdrama

May 4, 2004, 10:23 PM
jhmlbrgr said:
First of all it was not VZW wanting Nextel to pay 3 billion it was the CTIA. And VZW has nothing against Nextel getting that 1900 spectrum as long as they are willing to pay what it is worth. If Netel out bid VZW and all other companies for that spectrum it would then they would get it fair and square, but for the FCC to hand they that much spectrum for next to nothing is not fair at all.

Verizon has EVERYthing in the world against Nextel getting this spectrum. If Nextel gets the 1900ghz spectrum, suddenly it's a CDMA player. Verizon's hoping that Nextel balks at paying the true value of this spectrum. It's just capitalism.
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orioles150

May 5, 2004, 8:54 AM
muchdrama said:
jhmlbrgr said:
First of all it was not VZW wanting Nextel to pay 3 billion it was the CTIA. And VZW has nothing against Nextel getting that 1900 spectrum as long as they are willing to pay what it is worth. If Netel out bid VZW and all other companies for that spectrum it would then they would get it fair and square, but for the FCC to hand they that much spectrum for next to nothing is not fair at all.

Verizon has EVERYthing in the world against Nextel getting this spectrum. If Nextel gets the 1900ghz spectrum, suddenly it's a CDMA player. Verizon's hoping that Nextel balks at paying the true value of this spectrum. It's just capitalism.


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viper

May 5, 2004, 10:08 AM
I would not call this capitalism at its best.
Government should act on the behalf of the people. "government for the people by the people."

What we are seeing here are attempts by both corporations to influence government to the their favor possibly with the use of money or other financial incentives. The best thing for the people is to resolve this quickly. Verizon's political interference will inhibit that.

I don't consider allowing corporations to absorb government to be part of good free market capitalism.
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muchdrama

May 5, 2004, 10:52 AM
viper said:
I would not call this capitalism at its best.
Government should act on the behalf of the people. "government for the people by the people."

What we are seeing here are attempts by both corporations to influence government to the their favor possibly with the use of money or other financial incentives. The best thing for the people is to resolve this quickly. Verizon's political interference will inhibit that.

I don't consider allowing corporations to absorb government to be part of good free market capitalism.

Vipe...I hate to tell you this but big business has been interfering with government since the dawn of time. But in regards to Verizon insisting that Nextel pay fair market value f...
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orioles150

May 5, 2004, 11:18 AM
viper said:
I would not call this capitalism at its best.
Government should act on the behalf of the people. "government for the people by the people."

What we are seeing here are attempts by both corporations to influence government to the their favor possibly with the use of money or other financial incentives. The best thing for the people is to resolve this quickly. Verizon's political interference will inhibit that.

I don't consider allowing corporations to absorb government to be part of good free market capitalism.


looks like someone needs to learn the difference between CAPITALISM and DEMOCRACY. capitalism has NOTHING to do with government.

As for people influencing government its so...
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viper

May 6, 2004, 9:20 AM
Perhaps i was unclear

When two companies run to the GOVERNMENT and ask the GOVERNMENT to give them a competitive advantage it is not an example of capitalism at all, or at least not free market capitalism.

Competition is supposed to happen in the market not in gov. offices.

Now that the government may be influenced to do the bidding of large corporation is also not good for democracy. I also believe a more detailed look at the problem is necessary.

Why are we having this problem?

The problem is evident because when the FCC made the rules regarding output power/emissions it focused too much on any individual device.

The success of cellular has shown us that a more accurate gauge of interference is the sum of all devices ...
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muchdrama

May 6, 2004, 10:01 AM
viper said:
Perhaps i was unclear

When two companies run to the GOVERNMENT and ask the GOVERNMENT to give them a competitive advantage it is not an example of capitalism at all, or at least not free market capitalism.

You weren't unclear...it's just that you don't understand. Corporate America has been running to the GOVERNMENT (I'm using caps here because you felt you had to as well) for competitive advantages since there was a Corporate America. And that is part of capitalism...whether it meets your moralistic standards or not.
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jukebox2

May 6, 2004, 11:02 AM
I think the point is Nextel is asked to give up something of value in exchange for something of greater value, that difference is what they should pay.
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viper

May 7, 2004, 8:57 AM
"I think the point is Nextel is asked to give up something of value in exchange for something of greater value, that difference is what they should pay."

We would not have this problem at all if the FCC had not screwed up so again i see no reason to penalize nextel.

I'd also challenge the assertion that 1.9 GHz is that much more valuable than 800-900 MHz spectrum.

Verizon's business has benefitted greatly from having 824-849 spectrum, of which they have a lot. 800-900 mhz gives you better coverage/range than 1.9 GHz, enables you to build fewer base stations for coverage, and it gives you better indoor coverage. VErizon's "can you hear me now campaign" has resonated and their 824 spectrum has played a significant role there.

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muchdrama

May 7, 2004, 2:57 PM
viper said:
"I think the point is Nextel is asked to give up something of value in exchange for something of greater value, that difference is what they should pay."

We would not have this problem at all if the FCC had not screwed up so again i see no reason to penalize nextel.

I'd also challenge the assertion that 1.9 GHz is that much more valuable than 800-900 MHz spectrum.

Verizon's business has benefitted greatly from having 824-849 spectrum, of which they have a lot. 800-900 mhz gives you better coverage/range than 1.9 GHz, enables you to build fewer base stations for coverage, and it gives you better indoor coverage. VErizon's "can you hear me now campaign" has resonated and their 824 spectrum has played a
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viper

May 7, 2004, 6:35 PM
muchdrama is getting desperate and it shows.

Nextel does not need 1.9 GHz spectrum to compete with anyone. that you suggest that shows you don't know jack about wireless or nextel. You are simply wrong.

Nextel purchased, for next to nothing, a large block of spectrum from worldcom in the MMDS (2.6 GHz) band. nextel probably covers 2/3 of the pops with that. Sprint is the other major owner and sprint pretty much has to play ball since sprint only holds spectrum over 1/3 of pops. If nextel gets 1.9 GHz then the real danger to Verizon is a merger between sprint and nextel who would then kick verizon silly.

Do you really believe that nextel will get 1.9 GHz and the floodgates of riches will open up just because they'll maybe deploy C...
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muchdrama

May 7, 2004, 7:06 PM
viper said:
muchdrama is getting desperate and it shows.

Nextel does not need 1.9 GHz spectrum to compete with anyone. that you suggest that shows you don't know jack about wireless or nextel. You are simply wrong.

Nextel purchased, for next to nothing, a large block of spectrum from worldcom in the MMDS (2.6 GHz) band. nextel probably covers 2/3 of the pops with that. Sprint is the other major owner and sprint pretty much has to play ball since sprint only holds spectrum over 1/3 of pops. If nextel gets 1.9 GHz then the real danger to Verizon is a merger between sprint and nextel who would then kick verizon silly.

Do you really believe that nextel will get 1.9 GHz and the floodgates of riches will open up jus
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viper

May 9, 2004, 2:13 PM
By most plans it will take years to vacate and then deploy nextel in the 1.9 ghz band. Its not going to have an immediate impact and nextel is leaning heavily towards a version of ofdm which offers better performance and cost than ev-do.

The only thing Nextel needs is to resolve uncertainty regarding their spectrum. They need to know what spectrum will be theirs for how long so that they can invest in upgrading their network. The particular frequency is not the greater issue. there are advantages and disadvantages to 1.9 GHz.

For the record, nextel now has about 12000 base stations. In order to get the same coverage at 1.9 gHz they'd probably need something on the order of 20,000 (which is what sprint has). That takes time and lots o...
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muchdrama

May 9, 2004, 6:40 PM
viper said:
By most plans it will take years to vacate and then deploy nextel in the 1.9 ghz band. Its not going to have an immediate impact and nextel is leaning heavily towards a version of ofdm which offers better performance and cost than ev-do.

The only thing Nextel needs is to resolve uncertainty regarding their spectrum. They need to know what spectrum will be theirs for how long so that they can invest in upgrading their network. The particular frequency is not the greater issue. there are advantages and disadvantages to 1.9 GHz.

For the record, nextel now has about 12000 base stations. In order to get the same coverage at 1.9 gHz they'd probably need something on the order of 20,000 (which is what sprint
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viper

May 9, 2004, 2:18 PM
By most plans it will take years to vacate and then deploy nextel in the 1.9 ghz band. Its not going to have an immediate impact and nextel is leaning heavily towards a version of ofdm which offers better performance and cost than ev-do.

The only thing Nextel needs is to resolve uncertainty regarding their spectrum. They need to know what spectrum will be theirs for how long so that they can invest in upgrading their network. The particular frequency is not the greater issue. there are advantages and disadvantages to 1.9 GHz.

For the record, nextel now has about 12000 base stations. In order to get the same coverage at 1.9 gHz they'd probably need something on the order of 20,000 (which is what sprint has). That takes time and lots o...
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muchdrama

May 9, 2004, 6:44 PM
viper said:
PS: you've given not one reason why nextel HAS to have 1.9GHz spectrum.
None of your attempts have stood up to scrutiny.

Then why the hell did Motorola and Nextel get together and buy out the Qchat protocol? Apparently SOMEone in the higher ups thinks CDMA and 1.9ghz is the way to go. How's that for scrutiny?
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Rich Brome

May 10, 2004, 1:46 AM
90% of what you said is great discussion, and please keep it up! 🙂

viper said:
muchdrama is getting desperate and it shows.
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Give up muchdrama. You don't know what you are talking about.

... but if you could please hold your tongue on the personal attacks (like above 🙄 ), it would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks! 🙂
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viper

May 10, 2004, 1:36 PM
my apologies. I was responding in kind. regardless i will stick to the issues.
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muchdrama

May 10, 2004, 8:17 PM
viper said:
my apologies. I was responding in kind. regardless i will stick to the issues.

And I'll attempt at not being so confrontational. Then I'm sure Viper can refrain from killing me with a large wooden stick. I think we'll agree to disagree.
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viper

May 6, 2004, 12:09 PM
muchdrama you evidently have a reading comprehension issue

Yes i understand. Corporate america has been running america for some time. Many would argue its current form started after civil war, hence abraham lincoln's warnings. However, that does not make another pathetic example of this (corporations controlling gov) an example of capitalism. Please read a book. learn something.

You also evidently don't understand that in a free market economy government intervention is supposed to be kept to a minimum. Again please read some adam smith. The idea here is that a competition regulates the industry. Competition comes from market dynamics (better services more competition) not corporations (verizon) running to the government and begging ...
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muchdrama

May 6, 2004, 12:54 PM
viper said:
You also evidently don't understand that in a free market economy government intervention is supposed to be kept to a minimum.

Um...last time I checked it was two cellular carriers approaching the government for changes to its policies. You ARE reading the same posts and news briefs we are, right? And I didn't mean that last post as a jab...I was just pointing out the difference of how capitalism works in a vacuum (or, in all the books you supposedly read) and in the real world (where government and corporate America have been intertwined since oh, the dawn of time). Don't take everything so literally...you'll live longer.
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gangrelated

May 5, 2004, 12:44 PM
the goverment hasnt been by the people for the people since george washingtons days.
what the hell makes you think the goverment gives a rats ass about the people? is it maybe the way they cut funding to medicare, or social programs. perhaps the way they tax the **** outta the common man yet hand over huge tax breaks to corporate america. kick back millions to a company so it can pack up and head to mexico, or india. maybe the way the cut funding to schools untill the education levels hit the biggest decline ever..... come on man... wake up and smell the coffee. you are nothing but a revenue earning number to the goverment
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jhmlbrgr

May 5, 2004, 8:12 PM
I think that acting on behalf of the people the government would get as much money as they possibly could for this very valuable spectrum. That is what my vote is anyway, and I am part of the people. I do not care if the money comes from VZW, Nextel or someone else, just sell the spectrum to the highest bidder. Do whatever you can to avoid a possible tax increase on cellular service.
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