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STFU Sprint!

glinc

Jun 21, 2011, 3:48 PM
Really?? telling another company how to manage their network? Why don't you start to manage your own instead of outsourcing it? and to improve your coverage and network because my Evo 4G demo line coverage is crap compared to my VZW iphone 4.
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Tofuchong

Jun 21, 2011, 3:53 PM
Sprint is trying to save their business by doing this. If at&t does join with T-Mobile, they will be a superpower, and Sprint's business will suffer, you can not deny that. Any other company would do the same.
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glinc

Jun 21, 2011, 4:03 PM
Obviously their lower pricing isn't attracting a mass influx of new customers to their network due to coverage and that's the reason why other people choose to stay with AT&T or VZW. Sprint should invest into their network to expand coverage instead of crying about a merger.
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netboy

Jun 21, 2011, 5:08 PM
This is like a kid always getting F in school telling others how to get A's!
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rarodrig26

Jun 21, 2011, 6:05 PM
Except what does Sprint have an F in?? Yeah your clever analogy isnt as clever as you thought.
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dreamer528

Jun 21, 2011, 11:12 PM
rarodrig26 said:
Except what does Sprint have an F in?? Yeah your clever analogy isnt as clever as you thought.


Clear.... what a joke! at least in Oregon
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cellphonesaretools

Jun 22, 2011, 12:45 AM
rarodrig26 said:
Except what does Sprint have an F in?? Yeah your clever analogy isnt as clever as you thought.


Now THAT'S ironic. Sprint has almost nothing but F's:

An F in network coverage.
An F in reliability (combination of their lousy coverage and their cheapskate maintenance practices).
An F in customer service.
An F in WiMax buildout.
An F in managing the Nextel acquisition.
An F for Qchat.

Sprint does get straight A's for:
Lost opportunity (they totally blew their lead in 4G).
Lost market value (i.e lost shareholder value).


I'll give them a "B" for having better value with their calling & data plans.
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rarodrig26

Jun 22, 2011, 12:11 PM
So much wrong with this idiotic comment it makes my head hurt.

-Coverage, you mean second best in the country and only marginally behind verizon?

-Reliability? You mean how every survey from the last 2 yrs as Sprint coming 1st or 2nd in fewest dropped calls.

-Customer Service? Almost shouldnt even justify this. Sprint's customer service is blowing everyone else away right now. Keep trying troll. Do some research.

-Wi-Max buildout, lets compare it with at&ts LTE rollout...yea thought so.

You're a joke. Grow up. Do some homework.

-Nextel acquistion was like 5 yrs ago now, find somethin new to bring up. They've correct those issues (including changing CEOs). Everyone else has moved on.

-Qchat? Seriously? Cuz Verizon is doin...
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carmodboy99

Jun 22, 2011, 4:04 PM
I can only side with cellphones on the 4G build out They really did blow that one, big time. and ive been ranting all day about the 41Kbps i've been getting all month via a Samsung Epic on 4G in Raleigh.

QChat - yea, VZW is still trying to get that dead horse to move, lol
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rarodrig26

Jun 22, 2011, 8:23 PM
Oddly enough i live in the Raleigh area too...usually get like 3-6 Mbps down on my EVO on 4G. HOWEVER i think somethin has been goin on the last few weeks in this area, ive noticed it being alot slower as well, like out of the ordinary slow.
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cellphonesaretools

Jun 23, 2011, 12:21 AM
Wow! I bag on Sprint and you bag on me. Did I bag on YOU? No. You need to grow up, and while you're trying to grow up you should go to anger management school, you really need it.

Right. The Sprint CDMA network was just barely larger than the old Nextel network, and Sprint has only increased it very slightly since then. That's a slap in your face right there - your beloved Sprint's network is BARELY larger than the old Nextel, and nowhere near as large at Verizon's native CDMA or ATT's native GSM networks. Nowhere close.

Reliable network? Depends entirely on which region you care to look at. You obviously are cherry-picking the only place Sprint had a decent rating for reliability: the American southwest. And despite your dreaming, Spr...
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Azeron

Jun 23, 2011, 8:48 AM
To be fair...let's not get carried away with ourselves. Since I dressed him down for his negativity I must be even-handed...

"Coverage, you mean second best in the country and only marginally behind verizon?"

No. Third. T-Mobile makes everyone look good.

"-Reliability? You mean how every survey from the last 2 yrs as Sprint coming 1st or 2nd in fewest dropped calls."

If one can't find a survey that puts one in a positive light SOMEWHERE in America then one isn't spending the right amount of cash.

"-Customer Service? Almost shouldnt even justify this. Sprint's customer service is blowing everyone else away right now. Keep trying troll. Do some research."

Not hardly. One survey where Sprint TIED Verizon in a few markets...
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Azeron

Jun 23, 2011, 8:38 AM
Why bother in commenting if you are going to be blatantly biased?

"An F in network coverage."

Not at all. Does it match AT&T and Verizon's maps? Of course not. If Verizon is a B+ and AT&T is a B. I would give Sprint a C and T-Mobile a D.


"An F in reliability (combination of their lousy coverage and their cheapskate maintenance practices)."

Again your lack of objectivity is obvious. I'd give them a B here. Their coverage maps give a clear indication of coverage and where they have coverage it works well. If you said a C even perhaps your pathetic rant would be believable.


"An F in customer service."

I'd like to know what scale you are using and what time frame. Back when they fired those 500 customers for calling...
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cellphonesaretools

Jun 24, 2011, 12:08 AM
When you consider that Sprint has made almost no progress on building out, and/or filling holes in, its 3G network in the past six years, that has to be considered a failure, which garners it an F. Effectively, Sprint has stood still while all others raced past it. By any reasonable measure, that represents failure in a business as competitive as wireless comms.

If you take into account all three networks (CDMA, iDEN, WiMax), Sprint's corporate total for network reliability is poor. Their CDMA is decent, I'll give you that, although they have made no real progress on even their 3G for years now. iDEN used to be nearly bullet-proof, then Sprint got hold of it and turned it into one of the least reliable networks in the US. iDEN got better...
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Azeron

Jun 23, 2011, 8:15 AM
Your analogy is flawed (but you know that already I am sure). It is more like a kid who does his home work and studies for his exams but always brings home C's exposing a B student who he has observed cheating on an exam.
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YouAresheeple

Jun 21, 2011, 10:17 PM
Sprint is just pissed because they tried to buy Tmobile and nobody would give them a loan. They have a crap credit rating and nobody is going to through money into a sinking ship.
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 10:49 PM
Actually, What the offer was to much for Sprint, they wanted money and a very large chunk of their company as well. I can actually see Sprints point in this.
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Jayshmay

Jun 21, 2011, 6:10 PM
Tmo's customer base are bargain hunters, ATT is no bargain. If the merger goes through Tmo customers govto the next best bargain, which happens to be Sprint.
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 7:13 PM
Exactly Jay.
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Slammer

Jun 21, 2011, 5:15 PM
To manage a business, there needs to be some discipline in knowing where to save costs and increase them. Sprint outsourcing their network, is a fine example of knowing where to cut and save costs. Thus meaning knowing how to manage their network efficiently and utilizing their spectrum wisely. This also has allowed them to concentrate on proposed internal reorganization and customer service. Graduating them to top customer service and most improved business, shows that Sprint does in fact, have the knowledge to show ATT how it should be done. The student now becomes the teacher.

Sitting on reserved spectrum that could have better served their susbscribers, ATT has defaulted on how to manage theirs. Proof of dropped calls, noisy voice ca...
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Forehead Mustache Guy

Jun 21, 2011, 5:29 PM
Bravo, Slammer, bravo.
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 5:53 PM
Maybe they should use their unused spectrum horde more effectively and not bleed customers, and learn to stfu.
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rarodrig26

Jun 21, 2011, 6:02 PM
They are, but to some up my other reply to you. You're wrong.
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Slammer

Jun 21, 2011, 6:52 PM
Versed,

I feel I am one of the more even tempered individuals on this forum and try to keep a composure of respect towards others. You are not an averge forum "troll" that spews garbage shot from the hip.

However, WiWavelength(AJ) has placed numerous facts and accounts in front of you to observe the true aspects of who is hoarding and who is not. The definition of unused spectrum is quite different here. Sprint has not only made clear of their intent is with their holdings, they have begun the process. The spectrum not used thus far, is reserved for future markets of WiMAX/LTE. that is not hoarding. If you want to look at it this way, Verizon is indeed sitting on unused spectrum as well since all their markets are not covered yet. Eve...
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 7:23 PM
Sir,
I don't care about maps of what any company owns on spectrum. What I see is total nonsense when one company sits on a pot of spectrum then cries when another does the same. Or if one company makes an error and drops $32 or 35 billion dollars on buying a failing mobile company then cries when another spends more or less the same a few years later. Sprint right now is going to be sitting on a pot of 800mhz spectrum. Don't see them making plans, and they should. I do so them making some sound deals with LightSquared.

More of what I see is Sprint Fanboism and crying and moaning. I bet there would be non of this if Sprint was able to snag TMO. I'm sure we would hear no cries of only "1" gsm carrier left as we do know.

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rarodrig26

Jun 21, 2011, 8:02 PM
"I also expect you to point such transgressions on decor to even people you may agree with."
-dont worry he and i have debated even tho we seem to be on the same side on most issues. Wink

"Sprint right now is going to be sitting on a pot of 800mhz spectrum. Don't see them making plans"

-Then you arent doing any research. Google Sprint Network Vision then come back and talk. I dont intend to do your homework for you. (as sprint did for at&t)
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 8:05 PM
Well then good for Sprint, I hope they use their 800mhz spectrum. I have no hate here, like others.
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Slammer

Jun 21, 2011, 8:36 PM
I don't care if I am disagreed with. That is part of debate. I am old enough to accept when people think I'm wrong. However, facts cannot be debated when they are true and irrefutable. Those maps that you care nothing about, are very important in determining ATT's view and propoganda Vs. the actual truth. Looking deeper into the results of such claim, renders a very discouraging outcome. As a consumer, I'm not big on being lied to and I take the necessary actions and freedom to review what is placed in front of me so I don't get ripped off. If you want to accept ATT's claim, that is your choice. I cannot say you are right or wrong. That is your belief.

I am not for Sprint buying Tmobile. I was against it and still am. However, my choice b...
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 9:19 PM
John,
You have a point about TMO, today was in a local mall, walked into the TMO Corporate Store, two people in there, ok we have ups and downs. Not the point. Two salesperson, one was helping a customer, the other was texting, didn't even ask the person ahead of me, or myself can I help you. That is an issue.

I went in to see the Sensation.

Also walked past the VZW store, customers and agents helping them, same for the AT&T store when I went in, can I help you. Same thing with the local Sprint store by me. Agents ready to help. Yes, Sprints trying, no doubt. And I hope they do well.
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Azeron

Jun 23, 2011, 9:59 AM
"They have not learned to utilize their large amount of publically owned spectrum"

AJ indeed shined the light on AT&T's lies and if this merger goes through unless they are forced to implement the strategy they will continue to drag their feet.
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Slammer

Jun 21, 2011, 7:27 PM
What do you define as "unused spectrum"?

In construction, piles of wood or bricks not yet used while in the building process, is not hoarding. It is waiting to be used for that construction process. Such as Sprint's 4G building of its network. There is no way they can use it all up and finish the job overnight.

Having years of these same piles of bricks or wood with no construction in sight, is hoarding. ATT's network has suffered greatly over the last few years. They did not make any attempt to utilize their large amount of publically owned spectrum to fix these issues. Only when another carrier was promised the Jesus phone, did ATT attempt to brush the dust off a small portion of their spectrum to make a temporary fix. They have much...
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Jayshmay

Jun 21, 2011, 8:49 PM
Good post!
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Ashke113

Jun 22, 2011, 11:00 AM
very well said Slammer, clearly some people can't get past their previous issues with Sprint but what a lot of former Sprint customers fail to tell people is that they canceled their accounts or were canceled by Sprint because they didn't want to pay their bills and Sprint refused to provide them with free service.
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Azeron

Jun 23, 2011, 9:51 AM
AT&T has never been the teacher. AT&T's business model has been to copy Verizon. Stan Sigman admitted as much in a Businessweek article years ago and they executed the strategy to s tee.
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 5:51 PM
Exactly Sprint should worry about using their horde of unused spectrum, instead of telling others what to do with theirs.
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rarodrig26

Jun 21, 2011, 6:00 PM
A. Sprint is using their spectrum. Hence the network upgrades taking place over the next 4 years and the 4G rollout.

B. Sprint isnt trying to buy another company and using the excuse that they don't have enough spectrum, which is what at&t is doing.

Sprint called at&t on their BS. That's it. The mngment of at&t is either too dumb to run their network upgrades correctly, or too shady and is lying about their ability to update it just to get the merger to go thru. Either way sound like somebody else should be in control of things sounds like.
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rarodrig26

Jun 21, 2011, 6:04 PM
Got distracted while typing and that last sentence is all fubar. Laughing
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 7:27 PM
So, let Sprint who's bleeding money control how AT&T uses their licenses and how they should spend their money? Let then worry about their own lot. I live more or less between the NY and Philadelphia markets, Sprint touts their Wimax network, its non-existant by me. And I don't see any promise of it coming soon. I bet I will see VZW LTE by me before Wimax.
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Iknownothing

Jun 22, 2011, 2:51 AM
Did I miss the part of the article where Sprint asked for control of at&t? Any amount of thoughtful analysis of.the two companies would yield always the same conclusion; that even in the darkest days of Sprint's prior bad management they managed their network better than at&t.

And at&t can sit on as much spectrum as they like provided it doesn't negatively impact their network. Only their network is universally understood to be overloaded. They've been on board the iPhone train for as long as they can, and during that time they gave seemingly little thought to care of the network or their future. It was all about using that big ileverage to isqueeze their icustomers. Now that their exclusivity is gone and the iPhone has (in my opinion...
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Versed

Jun 21, 2011, 7:29 PM
I don't see no 4g roll out by me, and I'm in a fairly populated place, try again.
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Iknownothing

Jun 22, 2011, 2:53 AM
If you don't see it by you it must not be happening.... There or anywhere. Try again.
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perdition

Jun 21, 2011, 9:37 PM
you must win hot dog swallowing competition!
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SunYam

Jun 22, 2011, 10:27 AM
What it really boils down to is Sprint is pissed. Sprint wanted to buy T-Mobile and wasn't able too. Now that AT&T is buying it Sprint is steamed.

Pretty much one of those "If we can't have T-Mobile, no one can!" attitudes if you ask me.
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AceXMachine

Jun 23, 2011, 6:57 AM
Ok, a little late to this party but better late than never. But seriously, Sprint is no where close to telling AT&T how to manage its network. What they have done is pointed out what can best be described as a general guideline on how to solve their (long time)ongoing immediate AND future network limitations based off of their own experience as a wireless carrier, public knowledge and common sense. AT&T doesn't want to hear it because they just want this merger to go through. If you think for one moment that AT&T has any plan to follow through on their so-called "promises" provided this merger were to go through then I can diagnose you as having alzheimer's. As has been pointed out numerous times, AT&T has done next to NOTHING, but the ...
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Versed

Jun 23, 2011, 4:57 PM
In other words unless you agree with AJ and yourself, you're a tool, troll, idiot or whatever name you wish to call. I don't care what maps, overlays, charts, or what have you, it has nothing to do with anything.

Again, let Sprint manage their network, and AT&T and others manage theirs.

Its not up to Sprint to tell others how to run their companies, and assets, after all, as a company their really doing a wonderful job making money. Sprint has written off about as much market capitalization as AT&T is spending on TMO.
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Iknownothing

Jun 24, 2011, 12:44 AM
If we agree that at&t is lying (because they pretty obviously are) then who would you prefer to point it out? Would you rather they lie with absolute impunity? I am confused by your stance.
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AceXMachine

Jun 24, 2011, 5:55 AM
He has no stance. He is basically saying that Sprint should mind its own business while AT&T is allowed to lie to public to secure a deal that will give it an unfair advantage that it will then use to milk the public. He has no arguement of his own and couldn't defend it even if he did...
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AceXMachine

Jun 24, 2011, 6:20 AM
Versed said:
In other words unless you agree with AJ and yourself, you're a tool, troll, idiot or whatever name you wish to call. I don't care what maps, overlays, charts, or what have you, it has nothing to do with anything.

Again, let Sprint manage their network, and AT&T and others manage theirs.

Its not up to Sprint to tell others how to run their companies, and assets, after all, as a company their really doing a wonderful job making money. Sprint has written off about as much market capitalization as AT&T is spending on TMO.



I'm not gonna say that anyone who doesn't agree with me is a troll/idiot/etc, but if the shoe fits...

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cellphonesaretools

Jun 24, 2011, 5:15 PM
AceXMachine said:


I'm not gonna say that anyone who doesn't agree with me is a troll/idiot/etc, but if the shoe fits...

Lets take you, for example only of course. The only arguement you made in that whole post was "...let Sprint manage their network, and AT&T and others manage theirs." This debate is not about Sprint trying to manage AT&Ts network. Its about AT&T trying to buy more of that which it already possesses more of than anyone else but refuses to use it. AT&T is in fact refusing to "manage" its network and crying that it "needs" this merger or it network will crumble...or some such bull**** as that. Sprint is simply pointing out, correctly I might add, that AT&T can fix and augment its network for yea
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Azeron

Jun 23, 2011, 8:11 AM
Sprint is not telling another company how to manage its network. Frankly, who gives a *Bleep* how AT&T manages its resources? What Sprint has done (and quite effectively judging by your mature reaction) is expose AT&T's blatant lie that it somehow NEEDS T-Mobile to bring broadband service to rural areas. AT&T is even running propagandist commercials (probably a redundant phrase) lobbying to the public why this merger is good for America. So those who know the truth are just supposed to sit idly by and wait for this to occur? No.
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Versed

Jun 23, 2011, 5:02 PM
Azeron,
Again, anyone who disagree's is a liar, immature or whatever you wish to say. Sprint is trying to tell AT&T to do its homework. And yes, they ARE trying to tell them what to do with their network. Let them do their own first, let them fix up their mess with Clear. Let them deploy WiMax out to more markets, and improve its throughput. Let them actually make money, when thats done, they can feel free to tell others what to do.
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mycool

Jun 23, 2011, 10:24 PM
Versed said:
Azeron,
Again, anyone who disagree's is a liar, immature or whatever you wish to say.


I've been known to disagree to with Azeron from time to time, but this time he definitely nailed it... it isn't Sprint telling AT&T "you should run your network this way." It's them saying "Hey, stop lieing."

It's like a doctor telling you not to smoke while puffing on a cigarette. Concentrate on the message and no so much who's saying it. If it were Verizon that did this analysis would you complain? What if it was Metro PCS? Boost Mobile? Western Wireless? etc.

Don't ignore the valid point just because you don't like the where the point is coming from.
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cellphonesaretools

Jun 24, 2011, 12:13 AM
versed posted: "Let them do their own first, let them fix up their mess with Clear. Let them deploy WiMax out to more markets, and improve its throughput. Let them actually make money, when thats done, they can feel free to tell others what to do."

Well said!
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Iknownothing

Jun 24, 2011, 12:54 AM
I'm sorry how much money does at&t have? And how many markets do they have hspa+ in? Compared to little old Sprint? I find your comment equally confusing and amusing.
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AceXMachine

Jun 24, 2011, 6:39 AM
Yea, AT&Ts network is sooo great. Only ranked last place...virtually everywhere in virtually every catagory. They have soo much money and warehoused spectrum collecting dust that *may* be used someday to make them even better! Only %20+ dropped call rate in several major cities that oddly didn't happen to Big Red or Tmobile. Thats why AT&T needs Tmobile. With Tmobile, AT&T can fill in the "gaps" that will make them even better! And wouldn't it be so cool if they renamed themselves AT&T&T! I could go on an on... but then I would have to kill myself.
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Iknownothing

Jun 28, 2011, 12:53 AM
I cried a little when I read that. Mostly because it was funny, but a little because of how sad it made me.
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cellphonesaretools

Jun 24, 2011, 5:09 PM
Iknownothing said:
I'm sorry how much money does at&t have? And how many markets do they have hspa+ in? Compared to little old Sprint? I find your comment equally confusing and amusing.


I was agreeing with "Versed" that Sprint should clean up its own house before criticizing others. Not that Sprint is wrong, not that ATT is right, just that it is ironic that Sprint is spending so much money on lawyers to make a stink about ATT's move, while Sprint itself has frittered away all the value they have held in their own hands for the past six years in terms of WiMax, Nextel, Clear, etc.

It can be summed up in a nutshell: Sprint criticizing and attempting to thwart ATT is like the pot calling the kettle black...
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