Verizon Planning to Use Wi-Fi to Supplement 3G, 4G
iPhone
With all those shiny new iPhones on their network, is Verizon already having some of the same network woes as AT&T did a few years ago?
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I don't think it has anything to do with network problems. I think its the fact that other carriers have gone to tiered data for the simple fact they cant afford the extensive use customers impose on a network. So why not play follow the leader and cut unlimited data, so that the average joe will hopefully go over their alloted allowance and have to pay overage charges.
I don't think it has anything to do with network problems. I think its the fact that other carriers have gone to tiered data for the simple fact they cant afford the extensive use customers impose on a network. So why not play follow the leader and cut unlimited data, so that the average joe will hopefully go over their alloted allowance and have to pay overage charges.
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"So why not play follow the leader and cut unlimited data, so that the average joe will hopefully go over their alloted allowance and have to pay overage charges. "
That is just so ignorant.....companies don't like to charge overages beause overage charges leads to decreased customer satisfaction which leads to churn which leads to the company going bankrupt.
And no one actually PAYS overage charges anyway, 90% of the time they are waived.
The purpose of overage charges is to incentive people to voluntarily decrease their usage so as to reduce the strain on the network.
That is just so ignorant.....companies don't like to charge overages beause overage charges leads to decreased customer satisfaction which leads to churn which leads to the company going bankrupt.
And no one actually PAYS overage charges anyway, 90% of the time they are waived.
The purpose of overage charges is to incentive people to voluntarily decrease their usage so as to reduce the strain on the network.
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T Bone said:
That is just so ignorant.....companies don't like to charge overages beause overage charges leads to decreased customer satisfaction which leads to churn which leads to the company going bankrupt.
I can assure you, as someone who had done many credits and listed to many retail directors drone on about how we're giving away too many credit (even if valid), the company sees it entirely opposite of what you claim. I've even been told by higher ups that overage charges are profit and out right to charge if the customer can't control their own usage. They could care less about churn, beyond the financial implications on the stock market. There's always someone else coming on board.
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re: "Actually, the purpose of overages is to increase profits."
>>> Exactly.
Good post. Calm & logical.
>>> Exactly.
Good post. Calm & logical.
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T Bone said:
"So why not play follow the leader and cut unlimited data, so that the average joe will hopefully go over their alloted allowance and have to pay overage charges. "
That is just so ignorant.....companies don't like to charge overages beause overage charges leads to decreased customer satisfaction which leads to churn which leads to the company going bankrupt.
Hello, this is Reality speaking. Companies don't like to charge overages? Overages are the bread and butter of the industry.
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I don't know why so many people think the Iphone is so, so data intensive, it's web browser renders the same real internet that Androids browser renders.
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Both the iPhone and Android ARE very data intensive phones....especially when compared to the Blackberry which is designed to be data efficient. The Blackberry compresses the data into a packet to minimize the total data used, similar to a ZIP file...
A good rule of thumb is that 200 MB on a Blackberry equals about 2 GB on an iPhone or Android phone.
A good rule of thumb is that 200 MB on a Blackberry equals about 2 GB on an iPhone or Android phone.
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The android and iPhone consume more data however the blackberry units harm the network more by locking up channels more frequently on the towers thus causing network congestion. A bberry will ping the network 7 times more often than another device while it's checking with the NOC
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Jayshmay said:
I don't know why so many people think the Iphone is so, so data intensive, it's web browser renders the same real internet that Androids browser renders.
True, but the iPhone is responsible for REALLY opening the floodgates in terms of the DESIRE for smartphones and the INTENSIVE BANDWIDTH use.
Besides, Apple wants everyone to talk about Apple and only Apple, so their product developers and their marketeers got just what they wanted: iPhone is at the top of the foodchain, hence iPhone gets all the complaints just as surely as it gets all the glory.
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funny every time I go into my local store the entire right side is devoted to Android and that's where 99% of the traffic remains...sure not a scientific poll but I don't think verizon customers are that crazy for apple.
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true just my believe verizon did such a fantastic job getting everyone to say droid when apple finally arrived people did not care.
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due to the indirect commission structure paying less for iPhones than other smartphones, i push droids over iPhones everyday.
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The is the Iphone not doing as good on Verizon as a lot of people thought it would?
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For my market, The people dwindle in for iPhone, not jumping ship until they are out of contract. But even once getting to Verizon, they are not necessarily going to the iPhone. Android really doesn't have a pressence at AT&T. If you wanted a smartphone from them, you almost HAD to get an iPhone, but as they get to Verizon, they are seeing there is more they can do on android. There are still those who want nothing but the iPhone, but when they see they have options, iPhone doesn't always meet their needs and wants.
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In the first quarter of 2011, aftert the Verizon iPhone was released, Verizon activated 2.2 million iPhones....
During the same time period, at&t activated 6.6 million iPhones
So...during the first quarter that iPhone was available for both Verizon and at&t, and customers interested in an iPhone had their choice of which network to use, 3/4 of new iPhones activated were on at&t.
So...whether you want to interpret that as meaning that iPhone customers aren't exicted about Verizon, or that Verizon customers are not excited about the iPhone, in either case, the Verizon iPhone is less popular than the at&t version.
During the same time period, at&t activated 6.6 million iPhones
So...during the first quarter that iPhone was available for both Verizon and at&t, and customers interested in an iPhone had their choice of which network to use, 3/4 of new iPhones activated were on at&t.
So...whether you want to interpret that as meaning that iPhone customers aren't exicted about Verizon, or that Verizon customers are not excited about the iPhone, in either case, the Verizon iPhone is less popular than the at&t version.
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Interesting numbers - they certainly do tell a story.
Perhaps, as other posters have said here, Verizon customers got their fix for smartphones & touchscreens with the Android-based smartphones that VZ pushed so hard to compete with the iPhone before they (VZ) got the iPhone.
Unless a person gets burned by a product or service, they tend to stay with it because it's what they know - and what they've invested in (time to learn it, apps purchased, etc). Human inertia.
At any rate, it is clear that VZ is beginning to worry about their network being able to handle the strain of the increase in smartphones of any brand, and for sure VZ desparately wants to avoid the bad PR that ATT made for itself when their network crumbled under the iP...
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Perhaps, as other posters have said here, Verizon customers got their fix for smartphones & touchscreens with the Android-based smartphones that VZ pushed so hard to compete with the iPhone before they (VZ) got the iPhone.
Unless a person gets burned by a product or service, they tend to stay with it because it's what they know - and what they've invested in (time to learn it, apps purchased, etc). Human inertia.
At any rate, it is clear that VZ is beginning to worry about their network being able to handle the strain of the increase in smartphones of any brand, and for sure VZ desparately wants to avoid the bad PR that ATT made for itself when their network crumbled under the iP...
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The same thing happened to the iPhone that happened to the RAZR - once the complete uniqueness was gone from the market, the need for an iPhone on any network was lessened dramatically. By the time Verizon got the iPhone, there were dozens upon dozens of similar phones already on the market. They sell like hotcakes because they're decent phone with the ultimate in brand recognition.
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I really don't believe that 6.6 million iPhones were activated with AT&T around the same time vzw release their iphone. If thats the case then what were the numbers when iphone 4 was first release by AT&T 8months prior before vzw release the iphone 4. Remember AT&T and vzw did not release the iphone 4 at the same time. AT&T had it for a few months before VZW release it.
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I'm also curious as to which iPhones were activated. AT&T is still selling older models and selling them for less. There are a lot of incentives to stay with AT&T. More iPhone choices, lower iPhone prices, upgrade incentives. etc. I think that it is probably a unbalanced comparison. The better comparison would be how many NEW iPHONE 4 activations were on each carrier at the same time period. Then it would be a true decision of AT&T's iPhone 4 service or VZW's, without incentives.
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re: "The better comparison would be how many NEW iPHONE 4 activations were on each carrier at the same time period."
>>> Excellent point.
>>> Excellent point.
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