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Typical Democratic Government

boggerscbshop

May 17, 2011, 4:33 PM
I've come to expect this from the Democrat run FCC. Make companies that are successful give to companies that haven't invested into their network. Stand your ground Verizon! Don't make us pay for other companies lack of network.
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AceXMachine

May 17, 2011, 7:35 PM
This is not the fault of the FCC, which is doing EXACTLY what it was mandated to do. Verizon and AT&T (aka "The Sisters") would love nothing more than to snub out the "little guys" and then they could rule the wireless space. With no real competition except each other, they would continue to press the limits and would only back down if they faced another government imposed split up. You give these mega corps an inch and they will literally take a mile. "reasonable rates" means just that. The larger carrier gets just compensation for their financial investment that the smaller carrier could neither afford nor build out even if they could due to the limited ammount of spectrum available in most areas (especially the high volume areas wher...
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Azeron

May 17, 2011, 9:20 PM
Frankly. I'd rather see these *Bleep*ers just get it over with and take over all the businesses if they are going to play this game. Take over the banks and the automobile companies too. That is too much micro-managing. I am always amazed that there are actually people who believe that more government is necessary. Seriously?! Man!
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AceXMachine

May 17, 2011, 10:22 PM
Its a check and balance dude. the people elect the government to protect their interests, both foreign and domestic. Corporations, given free reign, would rape the public at any expense to increase profits until there would be only one company for all services and we would live in a corporate government. Neither side is perfect and neither should have free reign, but their must be a balance. I'm not a political science major so I can't really explain it any better than that...but I do hope that you see that these companies cannot be allowed to do just do as they please, especially in the wireless industry where they rely on public property to do business.
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Slammer

May 18, 2011, 8:38 AM
Unfortunately, it has always been the Fortune 500 that has controlled the aspects of business. They pay off government and move on. It's an ugly reality. It is unfortunate that this is where Government gets the bad rap. Public tax payer paid Government allowing private sector corporations to buy control. Two forms of pay. Taxes paid by us and funds paid by corporations.

However, when it comes to government taking some control for a common interest, it gets really upsetting when people cry flag on the play for them doing so. It's rather refreshing knowing my tax money is a little more important to Government than just cash flow.

If government gets some concessions from regulating the carriers with some mandates, I'm ok with it if al...
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Red_Minx

May 18, 2011, 9:05 AM
John you really do have a good head on your shoulders and it's nice to know I'm not alone in my perspective. Especially since there is no way I could have said it that well lol 🤣
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Azeron

May 18, 2011, 2:51 PM
That's true...of any business. If we gave Cellular South or Cricket or Metro PCS the keys to the kingdom they would be no better. That's why we have laws against monopolies. But that is not pertinent to this discussion.
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planethulk

May 18, 2011, 1:57 AM
Man if you think there is a difference between "Democrats" and "Republicans", you might want to look at the policies. There is no difference. They only try to fool you with the insignificant differences like gay marriage, abortion rights, social security. When you actually look at the policies that affect how our government is run, you see that both parties are big government, big spending, raise the national debt, pro war, pro drug war, and pro taxation. What most people don't realize is that a big chunk of this is because of the NeoCon movement. NeoCons are the majority of "Republicans" today. NeoCons started out as Democrats in the 40s and 50s. They changed parties and started running things. The real republicans have been since lost in t...
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Azeron

May 18, 2011, 2:20 PM
I disagree with those Republicans being Libertarians ESPECIALLY Teddy Roosevelt. He was a Bull Moose Progressive and brother Progressive is just the polite Republican term for Liberal. Thomas Jefferson? No doubt about it. Libertarians consider him our father. Lincoln? Can't see that either. He expanded Federal government power beyond any rights. All in all you made a great post though. There IS a difference between those Republicans from the 50's and the ones running things today. Those were the guys who were pummeled by that Socialist FDR. If they could see what the W did during his term they would roll over in their graves.
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planethulk

May 18, 2011, 2:53 PM
My point about the previous presidents was based on their foreign policy intervention and war stances but for the most part these guys were constitutionalists barring a few exceptions.
Thanks for the compliment.
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planethulk

May 19, 2011, 1:18 AM
We are both right about Teddy Roosevelt.
He definitely started the "Bull Moose Progressive Movement"... But that was after he had left the Presidency. He said he was "fit as a Bull Moose" after he was shot in the chest during a campaign speech in 1912. The man got back up and finished his speech!
This is another point of why I think politics are so backwards today. Republicans back then were considered "progressive". His policies would be considered both "progressive" and "conservative" today because he loved nature, started the conservation movement, fought corruption in corporations, won the Nobel Peace prize for helping to stop the Russian/Japanese war...
Teddy did indeed become what you would call more "liberal" in his later career. ...
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Azeron

May 19, 2011, 9:50 AM
Okay. But Conservative and Libertarian are not the same. He was a radical but that is not Libertarian. Roosevelt's policies as president particularly his foreign policy...not Libertarian. If you want to say he changed after leaving office, I will buy that but he was never a Libertarian. We spend a lot of time weeding disaffected Conservatives out of our party. I am not interested in growing our base if it means selling out our principles. The things that make a Libertarian a Libertarian...if we bent one way or another we would just be a Liberal or a Conservative. So that is my objection.
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planethulk

May 19, 2011, 12:14 PM
Well my point wasn't that Teddy was a "libertarian". My point was that if Republicans/NeoCons were labeling Ron Paul and people like him as "libertarian", then they would call MANY of the pre-Nixon Republicans as "libertarian" as well. Today's Republicans use the word "libertarian" like it's a dirty word. It's no surprise really though, because today's Republicans are not REAL Republicans in the first place.
Aside from a few "social" programs that Teddy proposed, Teddy and Ron Paul were neck and neck on policy.
They both believe that Corporatism is ruining America. They both believe that big government should stay out of individuals lives. They both believe in decreasing the power of the government and leaving many things up to the states....
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planethulk

May 19, 2011, 12:49 PM
Here is a list of Teddy's most important speeches in pdf you might find interesting to read.

http://www.theodore-roosevelt.com/trspeeches.html »

Read the one on New Nationalism. It is very anti-corporate and very civil libertarian.

Roosevelt was branded as a "socialist" for these views and Ron Paul is branded as a "libertarian" for the exact same views. The same enemy is doing all the name calling and lying.

Hope you enjoy the read.
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