Government Wants Carriers to Save Location Data

My right to privacy outweighs the Government's need to collect my data. There is nowhere in the constitution that allows my government to track my whereabouts. Your story is very touching but this is something that could be done on a case by case basis with a warrant for the data. Police have tracked cell phones many many times with success without the need to collect every bit of data about the user and store it for two years. This is blatant social engineering on a massive scale.
Hate to say it yet again, but this is nothing more than corporate power mingling with government power. Corporatism. Fascism. We live in a Corporate controlled society. If this wasn't evident when these failing corporations blackmailed our government into bailin...
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are you touching 11 year olds? then why do you care?

and please dont go into this huge diatribe about one thing leads to another and "if we let them get away with this, what's next?"
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i get some people are suuuuper sensitive about their personal privacy and staying off the grid and whatever. fact is there are a lot of people out there who would rather see a rapist put in jail, a terror bombing stopped or drug transaction intercepted then worry about if the government knows when i stop to take a dump at a rest stop.

flagrantmisuse said:
are you touching 11 year olds? then why do you care?

That's the type of thinking that lets the government create things like the TSA where I godda let some guy cup my balls, meanwhile someone sticks some C4 up his booty and blows up a plane.

This isn't about safety, it's about tyranny. Also, now that I know about this, if I'm going to be some kinda dirt bag that's going around snatching up people for some devious reasons, I'll leave my phone at home. Instant alibi, because when they ask for those records, they'll see that I'm at my place, and no where neer the crime.

Seriously, do you think you can account for your wear abouts from December 12th 2009 at 11:42 PM? I couldn't, but ...
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there's a difference. the tsa hasnt done anything to promote the safety of air travelers. all they are able to do is piss people off and make people not want to fly. there have been more instances of passengers foiling bombers than tsa and air marshals.

i'm with you there.

what i'm talking about is something that has been proven it works.

when i was a call center rep we used gps tracking on a customer's phone that was kidnapped and trapped in the trunk of someone's car. they accidentally dialed 611 instead of 911. we got the local authorities involved and thru the info stored they were able to rescue this woman.

That's just nonsense. That same outcome would have happened if the lolcation data wasn't stored. We have gps/911 capabilities as required by law some years ago. This was suppose to allow for gps location when someone calls 911. Cell phone companies and police do not need to know where I've been for the last two years to accomplish this. This is the only thing required to save anyone who is in danger like this. Your point is just plain old nonsense and I doubt if your story is even true. I don't need google to come up with a personalized ad campaign based on where I visit for the next 2 years either. And I cetrainly don't need the government knowing what coffee shops I visit in the morning.

if you dont believe my story then that's your perogative. i dont need to prove anything to you.

in the case of the company solicting me products, i dont want that. but the government knowing where you buy coffee from...is that really your sticking point?

i think we can choose our battles wiser than this.

If you truly think that, then it's time to get shorn, sheep. If you really think that's my "sticking point", please stop posting to my comments. I won't be drawn into a conversation of ignorance by a sheep.

solid argument. well said.

As opposed to your argument? Pull your thumbs out of your ears when you have a conversation and you might be taken seriously.

Sorry man, it seems you are outnumbered here in your "patriotism". Patriotism doesn't mean you bow down to your leaders. It means you stand up for what is right even when it's inconvenient.

George Washington = Patriot

flagrantmisuse = not so much

And the insults begin HERE. "Sheep"?

And the trolling begins HERE. Troll?

"i get some people are suuuuper sensitive about their personal privacy and staying off the grid and whatever."

No. You DON'T get it. This is what happens when the Constitution is ignored. The Constitutions was written to delineate EXACTLY what the government COULD do. If it were not in the Constitution then it was a power the government does not have. Yeah, that worked out well.

you're right. i dont care. it doesnt bother me. i'm ok with this.

i have nothing to hide. save my locations for two years.

the government already has access to where i bank, where i live, where i work, where i spend my money. the information is there. if it will help them protect myself and my wife and help law enforcement do thier job better...so be it.

That's the problem with this data (referring to another remark I've made in this discussion) - this isn't data designed to protect you from anything.

If some basterd has a child, the police might use real-time location data from the carrier to foil the crime. That is carrier data collected for billing purposes, which happens to come in handy when you need to FIND a suspect.

The other data we're talking about it something of a track record of where your phone has been over the last two years. The data is stored on the phone, not on the carrier-end. The data is used simply to try and show your proximity to a crime. This means you're already suspect, already caught (or your phone subpoenaed), and one GPS location away from being pinne...
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Exactly. However the government has a great record of convicting innocent people. They do it all the time. 😕

Exactly my point.

The one thing I can't get over is the fact that anyone would be so permissive as to allow any organization, whether it be government, corporation, or even a single person access to your personal location data without your content and/or ability to opt out. I can claim personal or even national security all I want, and I can say I have nothing to hide, but the reality is that any of us are one misstep away from being thrown in jail for life. So why on earth would you want to make that easier?

you make a decent argument to the alternative. i would not want to be suspected of a crime i didnt commit. although that is an extremely hypothetical situation. i see your point and it has given me something to think about.

Hypothetical, yes, but not so hard to imagine.

It's not even hypothetical. It's happening now. It was actually Nixon who put many of these ideas into motion. In several tapes that were released, he admits to setting the wheels in motion to ferret out "liberals" who speak against the government. It's also why he created the "war on drugs" so he could target anyone who didn't agree with him. This was a long term plan put into motion by NeoCons who want to have a military controlled state. This isn't new news. This is the same old same old that people have been talking about AND PROVING for 40 years. I'm sorry you are late to the party, but your lack of information doesn't change the truth.

😁 you're hilarious!! i am thoroughly entertained by this guy!

you must have hot air seeping out of your pores!

That's right... try to belittle me and make me a joke. You lack any credible argument so your only recourse is to make light of the entire situation. Follow the herd, cow.

I take huge offense to that comment and I'm reporting it to the moderator. I have three kids and would drop anyone dead that touched my children.
However, your point is bs anyway. Your fear can NEVER infringe upon my rights. We get enough fear mongering from the media and politicians so quite honestly I don't need more of it from the sheep that only repeat what the news tell them. As a society we should expect to have our individual privacies protected and the governments privacies removed. The government answers to its citizens not the other way around. Of course there are reasons for this behavior from our government. How many more conservative christian politicians have to be busted for homosexual activities with male prostitutes and met...
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again, your perogative. no offense was meant, merely commenting on your response to timmy23's post about protecting an 11 year old girl.

it serves no purpose for you to take anything said in a cell phone forum personally. and take it to this extreme: "How many more conservative christian politicians have to be busted for homosexual activities with male prostitutes and meth habits before we realize that they are the problem not the people."

that's the direction you go with this?

ok. i now know the type of person i am communicating with.

Yeah an open minded person who won't listen to your gibberish.

Your "it serves no purpose to..." comment really means "don't get offended when I insult you".
You are basically implying that anyone who wants their privacy protected is touching little girls. We knew the type of person YOU were when you made this ridiculous comment.

Not choosing sides here, But I don't feel that he was saying that,"anyone who wants their privacy protected is touching little girls", but was being more general in implying that if you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't mind your privacy being invaded.
There is validity to either arguement, which is why it has become a long discussion here. I believe in live and let live, and if it gets too much to tolerate, I'll go somewhere else. None of these issues effect me directly, but as a blanket of freedom or security nation-wide. I do believe that the government SHOULD serve the people and not the other way around. I also believe that it is shifting to the later. However, I will fight when it directly impedes my pursuit of happiness. Wh...
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"love" lol (its more than like hehe)


except the revolt part..but i do agree that should be the EXTREME reaction...(when its too much)

Really? Even if this isn't a huge forum(I'm sure it gets more hits than cheech and chong),telling everyone you know about what is going on is the right thing to do no matter how "small time" you want to make it out to be.
The messed up thing is that you aren't even aware that your "pursuit of happiness" already has been directly impeded. You think you still have choices. I'm not really convinced I see a revolutionary in you. You seem to have way too many allegiances to your corporate sponsors. And I'm not sure what kind of military training you have but, unless you've pulled the trigger in a fire fight you will be standing behind those that have. This isn't call of duty.

If you don't like me so much, why try to be like me and use my words?

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Like the word "drivel" do you?
That's not the only reason I brought up this post.
When I post my opinions, why do you feel such a violent urge to "police" what I'm saying? Who are you to dictate anything to me? Like I told you in the post I just linked, feel free to come debate me. It gives me an opportunity to express my views. However, realize what the word "debate" means. So, if you are going to challenge what I say and put me to the task, then expect a response and try not to lose your temper when you don't agree.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329187,00.html »

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-08-28/politics/craig.ar ... »

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Nixon even admitted on tape that the Republican Party was nothing but a "homosexual orgy".

None of this is to say that I don't agree with a person's right to choose who they spend their life with. It's just another shining example of people in power only giving themselves these freedoms. Your government is run by THESE PEOPLE. And...
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jesus christ i'm suprised that soap box your standing on hasnt crushed under the weight of your massive arrogance.

The TRUTH isn't arrogant. Only a liar would think so.

timmy23 said:
There shouldn't be a right to privacy if it involves seeing justice is served.

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When used for the right reasons, location data can literally be a life saver.

Exactly. I agree 100%. In fact, I think if we all had GPS chips installed into us it this could have been prevented. Oh, and I also think that they should put cameras in our homes, not to watch us, but only turn them on when necessary. I mean, if you're not doing anything wrong what do you have to hide right? Why would you care if the government wants to watch you watching TV?

Then again I don't think either of us are smarter than Benjamin Franklin. And, according to him "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a lit...
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My point exactly.

By the way, the constitution doesn't say one word of privacy, it says that the government can't search or seize property without consent or a court order.

Meanwhile, thanks to the USAPATRIOTACT it all but got rid of that pesky amendment....

The bulk of "constitutional" law is actually legal precedence. Just because the fourth amendment of the Bill of Rights doesn't explicitly state that I have a right to privacy, doesn't mean that the right to privacy isn't legal.

Exactly. It is our government who has the legal obligation to be transparent. I'm sick and tired of the media and the government trying to convince people otherwise.