Verizon to Put Location Warning Labels on Phones
I know I am going to get slammed so here it goes......
Can you not see where this is going? Regardless of everyones thoughts on the matter It's kinda like this if I say I don't want the phone to use my location then it should not store it. Enough said ! Just because Facebook Google and the other Big Brother Corps want to use and sell our info does that make it right? I am so sick of all the liberal responses on this site and around the web and everyone needs to wake up or maybe you will find yourself having the put a chip in your hand or your head its called the beast system and it's close to being realistic. Keep giving up your rights and soon you won't have anymore to give up.
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Yea way too many sheeple who just have no clue about rights lol why would they care because most of the ones are more than likely on welfare so it makes sense for them not to care as it's other peoples money.... kinda got off topic but it relates in so many way's it's not even funny.
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you can start saying "no" by not buying a product that has that kind of capability 🙄 save your money, save your security, and save your life 😎
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And another note to people saying if you are not doing something wrong then you shouldn't have anything to hide..... WOW are you even listening to yourself?? I bet you all won't be saying that when you find yourself in a situation where your info is being used against you. That's why we have laws in this country it's called enforce them or else. If someone is using your info and you didn't give them permission it's called theft plan and simple instead of taking up for these big brother corps wake up and demand your privacy not be bothered and the the scum be locked behind bars because that's what happens to people when they steal others property and such.....
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"And another note to people saying if you are not doing something wrong then you shouldn't have anything to hide..."
That's not a Liberal response that's a law and order conservative response. Liberals and Conservatives are in favor of this sort of thing.
Libertarians will say no to this, however.
That's not a Liberal response that's a law and order conservative response. Liberals and Conservatives are in favor of this sort of thing.
Libertarians will say no to this, however.
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No I am right on an not one bit Confused Liberals say shut and do as the gov't says maybe even conservatives if they are blue dog...... In any case I am against unauthorized access to any of my info
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nctruthseeker said:
No I am right on an not one bit Confused Liberals say shut and do as the gov't says maybe even conservatives if they are blue dog...... In any case I am against unauthorized access to any of my info
No, you are confused. Very confused. I see what point you're trying to make, and for the most part I'm with you. You're throwing around "liberal" and "conservative" like you have no clue WTF they stand for, however.
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How am I confused that's all I see on the TV and the NEWS stations look at what is going on in our country! Are you sure your not the one who is confused... Liberals don't have to answer to the law because they think they are Liberalizing the world which in other words is Communism
Liberals want the gov't to do everything for them and make the rich pay. How am I wrong because you are a dem??? Is that it? Because if so that doesn't mean anything changed just because you think something is different than it seems. I didn't like Bush but I sure as heck don't Like Barry Soetoro the illegal President of the USA. Liberals want to pay cut everyone and add to their work load gee doesn't sound great Work harder and make less money Redistribute the w...
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Liberals want the gov't to do everything for them and make the rich pay. How am I wrong because you are a dem??? Is that it? Because if so that doesn't mean anything changed just because you think something is different than it seems. I didn't like Bush but I sure as heck don't Like Barry Soetoro the illegal President of the USA. Liberals want to pay cut everyone and add to their work load gee doesn't sound great Work harder and make less money Redistribute the w...
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Preach on brother!
I am all for limiting government. I can not think of much they do well, or at all.
I am all for limiting government. I can not think of much they do well, or at all.
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How am I confused that's all I see on the TV and the NEWS stations look at what is going on in our country! Are you sure your not the one who is confused... Liberals don't have to answer to the law because they think they are Liberalizing the world which in other words is Communism
Liberals want the gov't to do everything for them and make the rich pay. How am I wrong because you are a dem??? Is that it? Because if so that doesn't mean anything changed just because you think something is different than it seems. I didn't like Bush but I sure as heck don't Like Barry Soetoro the illegal President of the USA. Liberals want to pay cut everyone and add to their work load gee doesn't sound great Work harde
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Wow, perhaps you should proofread what you've typed before you submit. It's hard to read.
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...you're not just confused you are in denial. Get Limbaugh's hand out of your *Bleep*hole dude. The people running around saying the policy should be able to do whatever they want to do and championing the Patriot Act are the same *Bleepards* who put it into effect in the first place...Conservatives.
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I am neither and If I remember correctly here are the rules....
The short version:
Be nice.
Don't be a jerk.
I don't think you even know what you are arguing about seems so typical..... I am getting words put in my mouth because your pissed and have no clue what you are talking about yet again typical liberal response I am getting a big laugh at the low intelligence here but then again it's really sad. As for the Patriot Act I'm 100% Against it as I am not a dem or repub I think for myself and don't let a 2 sided coin do my talking for me as Dems and Repubs are one of the same and too many are just to blind to realize that... I am sure I will get another unintelligent response as that's all you have been able to come up with.... I ...
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The short version:
Be nice.
Don't be a jerk.
I don't think you even know what you are arguing about seems so typical..... I am getting words put in my mouth because your pissed and have no clue what you are talking about yet again typical liberal response I am getting a big laugh at the low intelligence here but then again it's really sad. As for the Patriot Act I'm 100% Against it as I am not a dem or repub I think for myself and don't let a 2 sided coin do my talking for me as Dems and Repubs are one of the same and too many are just to blind to realize that... I am sure I will get another unintelligent response as that's all you have been able to come up with.... I ...
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Liberals will never be happy until they control it all. Paid for with our tax dollars.
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Lol neither one of you know sh*t about "liberals" other than what you've heard on fox news.
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I will respond to you on this lol FOX news??? I don't watch main stream media because it's all the same crap no matter which network because big brother owns the media... I don't like Beck or Oreilly or Limbaugh or whoever and I don't care if I spelled his name wrong... I wish people would quit making assumptions that all sane people watch fox news. It's just typical Liberal talk and we all know they can't hold an intelligent conversation or even debate they just cry and troll lol what a joke.
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Pretty sure this thread, started by nctruthseeker, is just a trolling thread...
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nctruthseeker said:
I will respond to you on this lol FOX news??? I don't watch main stream media because it's all the same crap no matter which network because big brother owns the media... I don't like Beck or Oreilly or Limbaugh or whoever and I don't care if I spelled his name wrong... I wish people would quit making assumptions that all sane people watch fox news. It's just typical Liberal talk and we all know they can't hold an intelligent conversation or even debate they just cry and troll lol what a joke.
UGGHHH YOU STUPID REPUBLICANS ARE SOOOO MEAN!!!!!!11 GOSH WHY CAN'T YYOU JUST LEAVE US STOOPID LIBERALS ALONE?? I'M GONNA GO SMOKE WEED, PAY FOR 50 ABORTIONS, AND CRY!!!!!!11 AND I'M GONNA GO MARR...
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I just want to point out the irony of someone talking about unintelligent people when apparently they don't know how to use basic punctuation...
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I find it comical that you talk about people's low intelligence when yours can be questioned just by seeing your poor grasp of the English language. Unless of course you're a foreigner, then it would be understandable.
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with this discussion the only person probably at fault is apple. google always ask if you want to share. it ask in the location settings and on the google website. apple doesn't if you are too slow to read and pay attention to what is in front of you instead of constantly pressing OK then you won't have this problem. but thats only with the android devices. PGS, google share location, and location will have to be turned off if you do not want to be tracked. but just a reminder if this is done then anything as for a weather update for HTC, and any other location based apps will not update for you. so in a way the location tacking is beneficial to your device. without you just have a fancy flip phone.
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"Can you not see where this is going? Regardless of everyones thoughts on the matter It's kinda like this if I say I don't want the phone to use my location then it should not store it."
Here's where I must admit to a degree of ignorance, I used to sell mobile phones for a living so I was required to know a lot about the differences between various platforms....but the technical details about how exactly the phones work I am less knowledgeable about....
The only smartphone I have ever used extensively (I mean, for more than a day or two just to gain familiarity with the hardware and software so I could sell it effectively) is the Blackberry...of which I have owned several....
In Blackberry, no application can use the location functi...
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Here's where I must admit to a degree of ignorance, I used to sell mobile phones for a living so I was required to know a lot about the differences between various platforms....but the technical details about how exactly the phones work I am less knowledgeable about....
The only smartphone I have ever used extensively (I mean, for more than a day or two just to gain familiarity with the hardware and software so I could sell it effectively) is the Blackberry...of which I have owned several....
In Blackberry, no application can use the location functi...
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yes other OS allow you to accept permission for this info. android does before you download a app from the market. it informs you of what the app requires access to. i don't know about the iOS. but mainly its a complaint about the phone itself tracking info without accessing these apps. but android always ask before hand.
as for iOS, it tracks a person's location and there is no where on device to where it ask for permission. yes you can possibly turn GPS off but its more then just GPS that tracks your location. thats why when you pull up the map it can tell where you are. and the map works without GPS.
as for iOS, it tracks a person's location and there is no where on device to where it ask for permission. yes you can possibly turn GPS off but its more then just GPS that tracks your location. thats why when you pull up the map it can tell where you are. and the map works without GPS.
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How are we giving up our rights by letting our phone log location data? You are making it seem like they will turn is into mindless drones, controlled by our cell phones if we don't put a stop to this.
If you read the full Q&A about why iPhones store data, and what it is used for, you will see that it is nothing harmful, nor is the data exploited in any way. It's used to help make location based features of phones work faster and more accurately.
This whole issue has been blown way out of proportion by the media, and a few frivolous lawsuits have been filed that will undoubtedly be settled out of court.
I'm almost certain that when you click "I agree" to the Apple Terms & Conditions for your iPhone that you are agreeing to the ph...
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If you read the full Q&A about why iPhones store data, and what it is used for, you will see that it is nothing harmful, nor is the data exploited in any way. It's used to help make location based features of phones work faster and more accurately.
This whole issue has been blown way out of proportion by the media, and a few frivolous lawsuits have been filed that will undoubtedly be settled out of court.
I'm almost certain that when you click "I agree" to the Apple Terms & Conditions for your iPhone that you are agreeing to the ph...
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It may be in the T&C's but those are 55 pages long and nobody has the time to read them....and I don't know anybody who ever had.....there is such a thing as 'burying controversial information in a ton of excess verbiage' and many companies do precisely that in these massive, phone book sized EULA's they make you agree to to use the software
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So it's Apple's fault that the consumer didn't take the time to fully read the T&C now?
Yes most people don't read them from page 1 to the end, but it is a contract. If you sign a lease agreement after skimming it over, and you missed the part about pets not being allowed, then you get evicted for having a dog, it's no one's fault but your own. Same thing here.
It's all there to be read, it's up to the person signing to CHOOSE read it.
Yes most people don't read them from page 1 to the end, but it is a contract. If you sign a lease agreement after skimming it over, and you missed the part about pets not being allowed, then you get evicted for having a dog, it's no one's fault but your own. Same thing here.
It's all there to be read, it's up to the person signing to CHOOSE read it.
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I think you're asking too much of people, Timmy. I agree with what you're saying and it is their own fault, but I know that nobody wants to do the work. They always want someone else to blame when they screw up.
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Here's a real life example on why cell phone's automatically collecting location data is a very good thing:
About a mont ago. a 24 year old man in a city about 10 minutes away from where I live was arrested.
He drove 4 hours one way to Chicago, picked up an 11 year old girl he met online, and drove her back to his apartment in Wisconsin. Long story short, the police used CELL PHONE LOCATION DATA from the girl's phone to find out where she was within 24 hours of her being reported missing.
This man is now facing 125 years in federal prison for 3 felonies for sexual assault on a child, using the internet to facilitate a sex crime, and enticement of a child for sexual purposes.
Can someone tell me again why cell phones collecting...
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About a mont ago. a 24 year old man in a city about 10 minutes away from where I live was arrested.
He drove 4 hours one way to Chicago, picked up an 11 year old girl he met online, and drove her back to his apartment in Wisconsin. Long story short, the police used CELL PHONE LOCATION DATA from the girl's phone to find out where she was within 24 hours of her being reported missing.
This man is now facing 125 years in federal prison for 3 felonies for sexual assault on a child, using the internet to facilitate a sex crime, and enticement of a child for sexual purposes.
Can someone tell me again why cell phones collecting...
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If the carrier doesn't know where you are, your phone won't work. If they don't know where you were, they can't bill you for calls placed while you were there.
The entire cellular system hinges on the fact that the carriers have to know at least the location of the nearest cell site to you.
Absolute location security can be achieved by abandoning cellular and buying yourself a ham radio.
If that's the level of service you want, go get it.
The entire cellular system hinges on the fact that the carriers have to know at least the location of the nearest cell site to you.
Absolute location security can be achieved by abandoning cellular and buying yourself a ham radio.
If that's the level of service you want, go get it.
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Your not to bright are you? Your argument is not even close to what people are mad over. The cell towers tracking you and location settings are 2 different things. I don't understand what you are missing here. We are talking about the phone itself tracking you and keeping the info on the phone and using it however they want. That is the issue at hand. Too many C Average students here it seems.....
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Your talking about a piece of the problem, I'm talking about the whole problem.
Why should Verizon or AT&T be treated any differently than Facebook, Google or Apple? Because one class relies on data gathered at the handset level and one gathers data at the cellular service level? They're both equal threats to privacy, so I'm talking about the less restrictive case rather than the small box you've decided is the only thing that matters in this thread.
If you don't want ANYONE to know your location history, then you can't use a modern cell phone.
So, how can you claim Google and Apple should have no rights to location data and exempt carriers from the same scrutiny?
I can't justify the difference. It's all the same threat to me.
Why should Verizon or AT&T be treated any differently than Facebook, Google or Apple? Because one class relies on data gathered at the handset level and one gathers data at the cellular service level? They're both equal threats to privacy, so I'm talking about the less restrictive case rather than the small box you've decided is the only thing that matters in this thread.
If you don't want ANYONE to know your location history, then you can't use a modern cell phone.
So, how can you claim Google and Apple should have no rights to location data and exempt carriers from the same scrutiny?
I can't justify the difference. It's all the same threat to me.
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Again I am not talking about the carriers here I do see that you are and again it's not the problem it's the makers of the phones doing this. I am ok with my carrier having all my info as duh they have to do such things to bill me.... You are way off saying that the problem is as much vzw att and so on... And if they were using my data for other things other than billing I am sure the truth will come out sooner or later. I am 100% ok with my carrier knowing where I am when I make my calls as it part of the terms of service which everyone aggress to or they don't get service. Which ends this discussion as I can't talk to a liberal as they don't have any logic in their head they have to have others think and input for them so with saying that ...
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"Liberal." is that some sort of term that means, "anyone who disagrees with nctruthseeker?" I happen to be an officer of the local Republican party, but I suppose facts like that are of little relevance to you...
You mean, it's okay to have location disclosure ToS if I'm a carrier selling a product, but it's not okay to have location disclosure ToS if I'm a software developer?
Why should the treatment of personal location information vary based on a companies core business model? I argue that it should not. All parties in the game need to have the same regulations with regard ...
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I am 100% ok with my carrier knowing where I am when I make my calls as it part of the terms of service which everyone aggress to...
You mean, it's okay to have location disclosure ToS if I'm a carrier selling a product, but it's not okay to have location disclosure ToS if I'm a software developer?
Why should the treatment of personal location information vary based on a companies core business model? I argue that it should not. All parties in the game need to have the same regulations with regard ...
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More like a lemming. He throws the word "liberal" around like it come from someone's talking points. There's nothing original to his argument, and I'm sure he'll assume much about me for saying so. So be it. He doesnt know who I am or what I believe.
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He called me a Liberal and it was the worse insult anyone has ever called me. Kudos to him in fact.
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nctruthseeker said:
I am 100% ok with my carrier knowing where I am when I make my calls as it part of the terms of service which everyone aggress to or they don't get service....
I NEVER aggressed to ANYTHING! 🤣
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You have a point. I don't like this, but it doesn't bother me all that much. People goto a store, buy something on a credit or bankcard, they know exactly what you bought, where and when. People use a bankcard at Duncan Doughnuts, they know exactly what you like, when you bought and where. Drive your care, charge for gas, use EZ Pass what have you. All this information is gathered. So lets not get too paranoid.
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Location services can be TURNED OFF. This makes them OPT IN services.
In fact, in most phones, they're turned off by default. If they're turned on, you're prompted with an OPT OUT before you can actually use the device.
You can argue to your hearts content that your phone tracking you is a bad thing. That's your right. But if someone wants OPT IN to that location tracking because they feel the benefits are worth it, then it's their right to do so.
Don't go around calling people idiots just because you don't understand the question.
In fact, in most phones, they're turned off by default. If they're turned on, you're prompted with an OPT OUT before you can actually use the device.
You can argue to your hearts content that your phone tracking you is a bad thing. That's your right. But if someone wants OPT IN to that location tracking because they feel the benefits are worth it, then it's their right to do so.
Don't go around calling people idiots just because you don't understand the question.
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nctruthseeker said:
Your not to bright are you?
Too many C Average students here it seems.....
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Hi Mr. Kettle, meet Mr. Pot.
Ah thanks for all the entertainment in this thread. I have thoroughly enjoyed it.
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epik said:
And some of us hams can still track them down....
Yes, but that takes work. 🙂
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