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remotelylocated

Apr 12, 2011, 7:21 PM
How long till VZW gets the markets back when the T-Mobile purchase goes through. How much subscriber money did they spend just to give it back?
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WiWavelength

Apr 12, 2011, 10:40 PM
remotelylocated said:
How long till VZW gets the markets back when the T-Mobile purchase goes through. How much subscriber money did they spend just to give it back?


1. The AT&T-T-Mobile merger is not likely to garner regulatory approval.

2. If the FCC were to approve the merger and require divestiture, that would affect few or none of these former ALLTEL markets. T-Mobile has very little native presence in the northern Great Plains, so potential consolidation would not reduce competition in these markets.

AJ
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Azeron

Apr 12, 2011, 10:49 PM
Fingers crossed. It SHOULD NOT. It would be great to see T-Mobile walk away with 3 BILLION and those roaming agreements. THAT would tip the scale a bit, eh?
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MrGuder

Apr 13, 2011, 12:16 AM
Azeron said:
Fingers crossed. It SHOULD NOT. It would be great to see T-Mobile walk away with 3 BILLION and those roaming agreements. THAT would tip the scale a bit, eh?


Take off the rose colored glasses.
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GeeksAreBest

Apr 13, 2011, 8:21 AM
Actually, it wouldn't do crap other than keep them running for a bit longer till someone else can toss a valid bid in.
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Vmac39

Apr 13, 2011, 11:49 AM
I think the deal will more than likely go through. T-Mobile was looking to sale the company anyway. They had talks with Sprint but, things didn't work out. I would imagine it had a lot to do with network compatibility. It would cost Sprint more than they could afford to switch the newtworks over to theirs and not put themselves in debt and have to worry about selling themselves to Verizon. That's cost in addition to buying the company itself. What other carrier in this country has a compatible network and can afford to purchase T-Mobile without putting themselves in debt to make everything compatible? When and if this deal goes through, and I think it will, I just hope that ATT really restructures their plans to be comparible to T-Mobile's. ...
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WiWavelength

Apr 13, 2011, 12:35 PM
Vmac39 said:
I think the deal will more than likely go through. T-Mobile was looking to sale the company anyway.


Name the number one reason why T-Mobile USA has put itself up for acquisition.

AJ
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 3:34 PM
Umm,...because T-Mo USA isn't making DT any money? . . .am I right?
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WiWavelength

Apr 13, 2011, 5:49 PM
Jayshmay said:
Umm,...because T-Mo USA isn't making DT any money? . . .am I right?


Good.

Now, answer this follow up question. If T-Mobile USA is struggling financially, why is that? What is the primary cause?

AJ
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 5:56 PM
Umm,. . .that I don't have a clue to. I'm not a business sort of person, at least not that much.

IMO their doing all the right things. Very, very attractive, appealing rate plans. G2, LG 2x, well specced handsets. So heck if I know what their doing wrong.
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WiWavelength

Apr 13, 2011, 11:52 PM
Jayshmay said:
Umm,. . .that I don't have a clue to. I'm not a business sort of person, at least not that much.

IMO their doing all the right things. Very, very attractive, appealing rate plans. G2, LG 2x, well specced handsets. So heck if I know what their doing wrong.


If T-Mobile USA is struggling financially, it is largely because VZW & AT&T have consolidated the market so much and have amassed such anti competitive economies of scale that T-Mobile cannot effectively compete on a national scope.

AJ
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Cosmic Spiderman

Apr 14, 2011, 1:41 PM
That's a BS assessment. Sprint's not selling. U.S. Cellular isn't selling. MetroPCS isn't selling. The reason anyone sells their business is because they don't have the money to expand and diversify in order to stay competitive. You can't blame AT&T and VZW for conducting successful business. What have AT&T and VZW done that TMO hasn't done? Maybe those are the things that TMO should have done and Sprint better start doing. You can win the game that AT&T and VZW are playing without playing their game better. Choosing to play a different game is not an option. If it was an option, why isn't it working for TMO and Sprint? And don't take the moral high ground on this. It's a business issue. EXPAND YOUR NETWORK. I don't care how you do it, wheth...
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Slammer

Apr 15, 2011, 8:09 AM
Verizon and ATT are entities that were separated years ago but left with an inheritance. Even being forced to divest, they still had an advantage over the other carriers to move forward and re-establish their positions. It is a game that has played out for far too long. TMO is a casualty to this game.

Sprint is not selling, but they are not making the huge profits necessay to retain a solid position within the stranglehold of what ATT and VZW have. This subsequently helps US Cellular and MetroPCS to a certain degree. They're much smaller in scale which is attractive in a choice of either large or small.

Everything you mentioned is not taken lightly. There is is a lot of viable info in your post. However, the leverage the two larges...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Apr 15, 2011, 8:30 AM
I agree, but I also feel that it is unfair to say that everything is the FAULT of two businesses doing business successfully. It is a blanket statement that WiWavelength is usually above making. Like or hate the actions taken by either company, they are good for their business and MANY small businesses wish they had the ability to do the same. I'm not a fan of waving the "Corporations are evil" flag.
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Slammer

Apr 15, 2011, 9:32 AM
I don't find a problem with large corporations either. But VZW and more evidently, ATT, have leveraged their enormous advantages into a walk in the park.

Swapping each other's assets like a cartel. Frankly, this has been a game to them. I also blame the FCC and the DOJ for not doing a fair analysis with rules and regiments. They have lined their pockets with currency from the two and put the kobash on upholding these rules.

AJ has pointed out that ATT is claiming hardship, when in fact, they are sitting on untapped wealth. Spectrum. In AJ's words, they need to use what they have first before asking for more.

It really is quite that simple.

John B.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 6:21 PM
So AT&T adopting T-Mobile's business model makes about as much sense as a turtle teaching a sparrow to fly?
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WiWavelength

Apr 13, 2011, 11:44 PM
Azeron said:
So AT&T adopting T-Mobile's business model makes about as much sense as a turtle teaching a sparrow to fly?


That is not a bad point, and it might hold true. But it was not what I intended.

While we are speaking in analogies, though, try this one, and see if you catch my drift.

Say that your car's engine were burning oil, would you allow your mechanic to just get rid of your oil pan? After all, that would stop your car from burning oil.

AJ
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Slammer

Apr 14, 2011, 3:40 AM
The sole purpose for ATT to suddenly out of nowhere have the interest in TMO, is because TMO "finally" made a decision to sell themselves to Sprint. This would create a third major competitor. ATT basically said: "Well, we can't allow this to happen"

It has nothing to do with business models nor any other rational interest.

I certainly hope the FCC can see the game being played here.

John B.
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Cosmic Spiderman

Apr 14, 2011, 1:44 PM
Cynical much, John?
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Slammer

Apr 15, 2011, 6:20 AM
When it comes to the wireless industry, My trust is very hard to come by. Out of all the carriers, ATT has historically, been the most notorious for being manipulative.

There really is no other reason for ATT to come out of nowhere and offer top buck for t-mobile. When a bid is submitted, it is done on a bargaining basis. You initially offer the least reasonable price price possible and work up from there. This is what Sprint did. I have heard Sprint was in a position to offer much more for TMO. However, they started low. ATT just barged into the room and offered more than Sprint could afford to attract TMO from the bargaining table.

T-mobile really doesn't have much to bring to the table that ATT needs. ATT already has plenty of sp...
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 6:15 PM
So because people were not using Internet on their phones it was okay to charge them $30 dollars a month for it, but now that they can actually use the Internet on their phones they should not be allowed to have Unlimited. That's fair. 🙄
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Vmac39

Apr 13, 2011, 8:44 PM
You never heard me say it's fair but, it is a reality. As I said, I'm not happy with it either but, I do understand it. I think carriers have started to realize that they can't sustain unlimited data without it bogging down the networks, with the amount of data hungry phones out these days. This is why carriers have been trying to get so many WiFi hot spots up and running.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 6:11 PM
Someone outside of the current companies would be acceptable to me.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 6:08 PM
No.
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T Bone

Apr 13, 2011, 7:58 AM
Rest assured, the deal WILL be approved, multibillion dollar corporations don't just randomly buy things without having a plan in place to make sure they get approved.....

Keep in mind, the Verizon divestiture of 105 Alltel was not actually requested, Verizon pre-emptively OFFERED it when to make sure the deal got approved.


You can be damn sure that at the moment that the FCC starts to balk, at&t will suddenly 'offer' something similar to win approval, and you can be sure that they already have the offer in the works waiting for the right moment to spring it.

The deal will be approved.
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WiWavelength

Apr 13, 2011, 9:39 AM
T Bone said:
Rest assured, the deal WILL be approved, multibillion dollar corporations don't just randomly buy things without having a plan in place to make sure they get approved.....


Before you make such sweeping statements, see the following mergers:

MCI WorldCom-Sprint
Microsoft-Intuit
Lockheed Martin-Northrop Grumman
General Electric-Honeywell
EMI-Warner Music
United Airlines-US Air

All assuredly had "a plan in place to make sure they get approved," yet they did not get regulatory approval.

T Bone said:You can be damn sure that at the moment that the FCC starts to balk, at&t will suddenly 'offer' something similar to win approval, and you can be sure that they already
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 6:31 PM
*ClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClapClap*
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Slammer

Apr 13, 2011, 10:33 AM
Your post bothers me. I will tell you why. It may be the tone of your wording but I'm also hoping I'm off base.

It conveys one of two things.

Either you are very excited about the acquisition or you're just going to simply accept the acquistion without making a stand on it. In either case, I find this disturbing.

This industry needs more competition, and more individuals fighting to preserve this competiton.


John B.
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 3:42 PM
True. Wireless bills are already very, very expensive. And sometimes in life, people need to prioritise things.

Where I live now has free wifi. And as much as I like being connected on the go, if it comes to it, I still have internet, high speed internet too, just at home.
These wireless companies should realize that people do indeed have other bills, and the way the economy has been the past 3yrs, sometimes people need to prioritize.

I pay a whopping $140/mo. If I had service with MetroPCS, I would be paying less than half that.
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diamondawg35

Apr 13, 2011, 1:35 PM
You say "it will be approved and that multi-billion dollar corporations don't just randomly buy things without having a plan in place to make sure they get approved..."; However didn't Sprint plan on buying T-mobile first, and apparently is not now since it is AT&T that is instead? So it doesn't always work out for them, just most of the time... LOL
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 3:29 PM
Hey AJ, is it ok if I pm you? I have some technical network questions I'd like to pass by you.
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