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FCC Mandates that AT&T and Verizon Allow Data Roaming

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I side with VZW and AT&T

MadLib

Apr 7, 2011, 12:08 PM
I don't believe the FCC has the authority to enforce such action. I understand that the intent is to help smaller carriers and consumers, but my question is how effective this move really will be. If it does help to bolster smaller rural carriers, then I suppose I can justify this action. Else, this is simply a move to increase its power.
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kpeterk

Apr 7, 2011, 12:42 PM
On the other side of the coin....cell phone towers are ugly. I'd rather not see every small company have to put up their own towers.
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Caucasian

Apr 7, 2011, 1:07 PM
Most carriers use the same structure to put up the antennae. You won't see four towers where Sprint, Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile all have coverage, but one physical structure with seperate antennae.
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Jayshmay

Apr 7, 2011, 2:03 PM
I can't frinkin believe somebody on Phone Scoop just said that! I betcha that poster lives in an HOA.
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T Bone

Apr 7, 2011, 2:06 PM
There's also the OTHER big problem that one tower can handle only so much traffic. Often the only alternative to building more towers is degraded coverage for everybody. I don't see how that benefits consumers.
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Jayshmay

Apr 7, 2011, 2:08 PM
Can't they just run more fiber optic lines or T1 lines to the tower?
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T Bone

Apr 7, 2011, 2:12 PM
Only up to a point.....no matter how much capacity you have, you can always get to the point where you run out and need to build more.
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Jayshmay

Apr 7, 2011, 2:14 PM
With reguards to capacity. I am very, very curious what an ATT LTE network would be like on 700/1700.
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electronet

Apr 7, 2011, 1:13 PM
The large companies don't want to expand into some of the low profit rural areas. Small regional carriers provide service to those customers when no one else will, but the larger carriers won't let those customers roam when they leave home. If you live in a small town you might only have one choice for service and the small carrier is only licensed to provide rural service, they can't expand their infrastructure. The airwaves belong to the public and are licensed to these big carriers. I don't see a problem making these greedy carriers sign a reasonable data/voice roaming agreement like they do the larger ones..it not, break them all up again..
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Azeron

Apr 7, 2011, 1:27 PM
I do. The airwaves aren't free. These companies pay big money to use these frequencies and this isn't a socialist nation where big brother gets to do whatever the hell it pleases. I can agree with mandatory voice roaming rules as a matter of safety but not data. There are no life or death situations where one just HAS to have data access. If Ma and Pa Clampett NEED Facebook so badly maybe they should sign up with a different carrier.
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electronet

Apr 7, 2011, 1:44 PM
The license they agreed to says "to serve the public good". These guys want total control and I think socializing them would be an excellent idea..
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Azeron

Apr 7, 2011, 4:12 PM
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It is always easy to spend someone else's money.
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electronet

Apr 7, 2011, 4:54 PM
It would be our money, the taxpayers..
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Versed

Apr 7, 2011, 5:49 PM
Azeron said:
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It is always easy to spend someone else's money.


This isn't free service, the rural companies have to pay for this data use. Just as long as SlickRedneck Telecom don't get a free ride, or not provide any reciprocal agreement with 3g service. I don't see any problems.
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Azeron

Apr 8, 2011, 4:45 AM
No one sees a problem with the Feds determining the price rather than free enterprise. Frankly, I hear that so much here that I wonder why I am surprised that this nation is storming down a path to socialism. The signs are all there. Anytime something goes wrong hands are held out to Uncle Sam for a bailout. I have news for you...Sam is not a benefactor...he is a pimp. There are no free rides. The more you ask of him...the more he will expect in return. Pretty soon you will be on the corner working to pay him back. You like fifty percent tax rate? I don't.
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Jayshmay

Apr 7, 2011, 2:07 PM
Umm, it is indeed a life or death situation for ME! ! ! ! Very Happy
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Azeron

Apr 7, 2011, 4:15 PM
Sorry, Jay. As much as I too enjoy porn on my cell, it really isn't life or death.
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Jayshmay

Apr 7, 2011, 4:20 PM
Laughing !

Well guess what? My apt complex upgraded the internet & wifi just an hr ago. 10mb/s from Cox, and an Xtreme Gaming Wifi N route, I did some speed tests, and it never dropped below 5mb/s. Even got 3mb/s upload.

Oh, and btw, I recently bought a new laptop that has a 17.3in LED display, the top of the PS site does indeed look more blue.
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Versed

Apr 7, 2011, 5:51 PM
Jayshmay said:
Laughing !

Well guess what? My apt complex upgraded the internet & wifi just an hr ago. 10mb/s from Cox, and an Xtreme Gaming Wifi N route, I did some speed tests, and it never dropped below 5mb/s. Even got 3mb/s upload.

Oh, and btw, I recently bought a new laptop that has a 17.3in LED display, the top of the PS site does indeed look more blue.


Does the pr0n download any faster, and does the LED make the image look better? Who cares what the blue banner above looks like, the importance is what these images look like!!
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Jayshmay

Apr 7, 2011, 5:54 PM
Haven't been to any porn sites since the wifi was set up @ my apts.

Any good sites you recommend?
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Azeron

Apr 8, 2011, 11:28 PM
Dog! Let me tell you... Laughing
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CellStudent

Apr 8, 2011, 2:01 PM
Azeron said:
I can agree with mandatory voice roaming rules as a matter of safety but not data. There are no life or death situations where one just HAS to have data access.

You're ignoring the obvious reality that LTE-only phones are less than 2 year away.

The FCC isn't.
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Azeron

Apr 8, 2011, 8:15 PM
I am not surprised to see you on that side of the fence. I said a long time ago that Verizon made a mistake on their LTE decision. They will rue the day. They should scrap all that *Bleep* and continue on the OFDM path.
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CellStudent

Apr 10, 2011, 8:06 PM
Azeron said:
I am not surprised to see you on that side of the fence. I said a long time ago that Verizon made a mistake on their LTE decision. They will rue the day. They should scrap all that *Bleep* and continue on the OFDM path.


A data roaming mandate (in the long run) basically forces "open device" standards on all spectrum because if Mom-n-Pop cellular want to carry a VOIP LTE device that AT&T is trying to suppress because they don't want competition with the legacy voice network, AT&T and Verizon are going to be forced to provide support for that device at reasonable and customary rates.

AT&T paid much higher rates than VZW did for their 700 MHz spectrum so that they could keep playing ...
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T Bone

Apr 7, 2011, 1:56 PM
One sided roaming agreements hurt one company in favor of another company. The federal government has absolutely no business picking winners and losers in the market.
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electronet

Apr 7, 2011, 2:10 PM
They aren't, they are just making it accessible to everyone. It's not like they won't be compensated for it. The ruling just states they can only charge a reasonable roaming charge. They were wanting there times the usual rate they charge other larger operators..how is that fair..
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T Bone

Apr 7, 2011, 2:25 PM
"They were wanting there times the usual rate they charge other larger operators..how is that fair.."

There has to be fair exchange.....in a standard roaming agreement there are two components...

1. Reciprocity i.e we roam on your network and you roam on ours

2. Licensing fees i.e. we pay $x in exhange for the right to use your network

If the smaller carrier doesn't have coverage in areas where the larger carrier does not, then reciprocity is basically useless. Therefore the only way to make the exchange equal is to increase the licensing fees to make up for the lack of reciprocity.
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knoxvegas75

Apr 7, 2011, 3:15 PM
T Bone said:
If the smaller carrier doesn't have coverage in areas where the larger carrier does not, then reciprocity is basically useless. Therefore the only way to make the exchange equal is to increase the licensing fees to make up for the lack of reciprocity.


There are still even after the Att/T-Mobile merger plenty of msa and regional fcc markets without a primary carrier being one of the big two. Obviously more lacking on the GSM side then the CDMA side.

I understand fair price and how both companies should gain something from this. I just believe if you dont set some kind of guidelines for the roaming negotiation to start then you will just have two players pushing their weight around.

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Azeron

Apr 7, 2011, 4:27 PM
Either you do or you don't. Can't have it both ways. Cellular South has NOTHING to offer Verizon. Verizon has coverage in the same markets CSouth does and of course outside of it. We are talking data here and besides cold, hard cash there is no compensation of value for them. Yes, they would be better served signing no agreement than signing a lopsided one. If CSouth's Mississippi customers take a trip to California for a weekend they'll just have to do without Facebook for a few days. It's not the end of the world.
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jackshepard23

Apr 7, 2011, 4:34 PM
I'll tell you what Cellular South has to offer Verizon... The tons of cash it'll pay out to them to roam on their "data" network which is the same as their "voice" network. Stop being so cynical and let the smaller carriers have the same benefits.
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Azeron

Apr 8, 2011, 8:21 PM
" Stop being so cynical and let the smaller carriers have the same benefits."

Are you serious? If it is as simple as that, why is Verizon being forced to take CSouth's cash. I mean surely a business is in business to make profit. Could it be that the compensation CSouth is offering is not enough? Could be... I think it is... I'm not a Verizon apologist by any means. These forums are littered with posts telling me to get a life and stop "hating on Verizon" as a matter of fact, *Bleep* Verizon. It really is not about them. It is about putting yourself in that position. Would you really want decisions you should have the freedom to make in the hands of incompetent feds who couldn't run a business anyplace but into the ground? I h...
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Versed

Apr 7, 2011, 5:56 PM
knox, I don't know what VZW will do, but I can see AT&T jumping on board on this, just to make their merger go through. Its not a losing situation, its a win, they get their merger, they make money on data roaming. The people and carriers in these small markets allow their users to use this spectrum both local and when they travel.

As far as government and interference, the large carriers get subsidies and business from government. This isn't too much to ask.
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Azeron

Apr 7, 2011, 4:22 PM
Makes perfect sense to me. I guess the only thing to do ts re-work those agreements with the large carriers and charge THEM the same as the smaller ones who have nothing to offer.
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jackshepard23

Apr 7, 2011, 4:17 PM
electronet said:
The large companies don't want to expand into some of the low profit rural areas. Small regional carriers provide service to those customers when no one else will, but the larger carriers won't let those customers roam when they leave home. If you live in a small town you might only have one choice for service and the small carrier is only licensed to provide rural service, they can't expand their infrastructure. The airwaves belong to the public and are licensed to these big carriers. I don't see a problem making these greedy carriers sign a reasonable data/voice roaming agreement like they do the larger ones..it not, break them all up again..


Exactly.... Consumer's who aren't in favor ...
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Versed

Apr 7, 2011, 5:59 PM
Only thing I do think should be, is the providing carrier gets priority on data use. Don't know if this becomes a net neutrality thing or not.
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Versed

Apr 7, 2011, 5:45 PM
The small companies do roam on voice, that really isn't the issue, the issue is data, and from what I understand its for LTE or whathaveyou. As long as the larger carriers aren't forced to provide service to the rural carriers on off frequencies they don't own or use, I see no problems with this. Similar deals are used with electricity transmission.
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Renaldo

Apr 7, 2011, 3:31 PM
I fully understand the FCC Ruling, the question is does it make sense. This is the same argument that has been brought before ever court in our land, The have and the have nots, education is not the same, so we introduced school busing to a different neighborhood. The FCC is there to protect the consumer not the business at hand. If most jobs are going on line to hire, and your in a rual area and you don't have access to high speed Internet services how do you compete. Also keep in mind that most people have more cellphones than computers. Now with smart phones starting to become the choice, more people are using them to access work and other business related information. Should we leave them at a disadvantage? Everytime I see the free cell ...
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Hitur Petar

Apr 7, 2011, 2:09 PM
So you don't think the Federal Agency in charge of communication over public airwaves has the authority to enforce pre existing laws requiring them to allowing roaming? Wow. Been to many Tea Parties, or just not paying attention?

Att and Vzw knew the rules to every auction for spectrum and this has ALWAYS been a requirement, so time to put a stop to their cheating ways.
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T Bone

Apr 7, 2011, 2:22 PM
"Been to many Tea Parties, or just not paying attention? "

Hmmm....personal insults? Check Demagoguery? Check. Emotional outbursts in place of facts? Check.
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Hitur Petar

Apr 7, 2011, 5:23 PM
Here's a fact. They were intentionally breaking the established rules on roaming that they agreed to. Fact. A more specific rule had to be passed to stop their cheating and anti competitive ways. They got busted and now they are crying. Fact. The vote went along party lines. Fact. A currently tea party dominated republican party versus the Democrats. Fact. Any other questions. Was I factual enough?
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