Huawei to U.S. Gov: Investigate Us
Perhaps american comanies ought to make better products
Then, you could buy their products and wouldn't have to look elsewhere. But, american industry is becoming a dinosaur and grasping at straws to stay alive. Feel free to blame to Chinese or whoever as the ship goes down, but at long as your govt wants cutbacks on everything, R&D is taking taking long term hits that it won't ever be able to recover from.
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It's not our government reducing their spending on "R&D" that has crippled innovation in the U.S. but our governments insistence on subsidizing (funding) failing businesses, business practices and old technology.
It's also harder for new technology to make any headway in the US because of the incredible amount of restrictions new companies face from legislation and regulations.
On top of that, our work force in the U.S. has little or no reason to work harder with the government subsidizing their lack of productivity.
I think we should eliminate government subsidies altogether, starting with corporate subsidies. By allowing prices to rise in failing markets we are opening up the way for competition and innovation.
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It's also harder for new technology to make any headway in the US because of the incredible amount of restrictions new companies face from legislation and regulations.
On top of that, our work force in the U.S. has little or no reason to work harder with the government subsidizing their lack of productivity.
I think we should eliminate government subsidies altogether, starting with corporate subsidies. By allowing prices to rise in failing markets we are opening up the way for competition and innovation.
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But China is evil and America is God's gift to mankind.
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At least that's what the war mongering politicians want you to believe.
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At least that's what the war mongering politicians want you to believe.
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I propose a "you're a moron" policy.
American industry hasn't died because Americans are lazy. It died because corporations are greedy, and can make more money(thanks to FREE TRADE~!) by moving their manufacturing to other countries with no labor regulations and importing the products to the US. It's why you can buy a t-shirt at Wal-Mart for $5.
American industry hasn't died because Americans are lazy. It died because corporations are greedy, and can make more money(thanks to FREE TRADE~!) by moving their manufacturing to other countries with no labor regulations and importing the products to the US. It's why you can buy a t-shirt at Wal-Mart for $5.
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First of all. Please stop with these ridiculous definitions of greed.
EVERYONE acts on greed. Perhaps calling it self interest would be a better way to see it. I have never heard of any company that acts on pure benevolence. Furthermore, why do you think "greedy" companies strive to find cheaper labor? Because the consumer demands a lower price!
The situation is far more complicated than calling it pure greed of the companies. Between the minimum wage laws, high taxes, unions, and a myriad of other legislation(including SAFETY regulations that do nothing to make the workplace safe), we've pretty much made it difficult for American business to manufacture in the US.
Walmart doesn't care what country it purchases goods from. It...
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EVERYONE acts on greed. Perhaps calling it self interest would be a better way to see it. I have never heard of any company that acts on pure benevolence. Furthermore, why do you think "greedy" companies strive to find cheaper labor? Because the consumer demands a lower price!
The situation is far more complicated than calling it pure greed of the companies. Between the minimum wage laws, high taxes, unions, and a myriad of other legislation(including SAFETY regulations that do nothing to make the workplace safe), we've pretty much made it difficult for American business to manufacture in the US.
Walmart doesn't care what country it purchases goods from. It...
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Americans are not to blame, it's our own government.
No, Americans are to blame for this because they choose not to voice their opinions and work towards change. It is written in the Constitution that we the people can over throw our own government if feel it has over stepped its power. Do the Americans do anything about it? No, because they are stupid Sheep-ple. They do as they are told and don't question or second guess what they are told. So it's not just the US government to blame, but also 98.5% of the American population.
No, Americans are to blame for this because they choose not to voice their opinions and work towards change. It is written in the Constitution that we the people can over throw our own government if feel it has over stepped its power. Do the Americans do anything about it? No, because they are stupid Sheep-ple. They do as they are told and don't question or second guess what they are told. So it's not just the US government to blame, but also 98.5% of the American population.
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"It is written in the Constitution that we the people can over throw our own government if feel it has over stepped its power. "
No, it isn't. If you're going to try to quote the Constitution, try reading it first so you don't look ridiculous.
No, it isn't. If you're going to try to quote the Constitution, try reading it first so you don't look ridiculous.
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So the solution is to take away the rights of American workers because Vietnamese workers don't have those rights, rather than stop American companies from exploiting Vietnamese workers because they don't want workers to have any rights. Sounds a bit like cutting off your own nose to spite your face, doesn't it?
If we're talking history, I'd encourage you to take a look at damn near all of the 19th century--no minimum wage, no child labor laws, no health and safety laws, no way for workers to protect themselves. Low-skill labor hasn't been legislated out by actually requiring employers to treat employees like human beings. It's been legislated out by free trade agreements that allow employers to outsource their entire operation to save...
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If we're talking history, I'd encourage you to take a look at damn near all of the 19th century--no minimum wage, no child labor laws, no health and safety laws, no way for workers to protect themselves. Low-skill labor hasn't been legislated out by actually requiring employers to treat employees like human beings. It's been legislated out by free trade agreements that allow employers to outsource their entire operation to save...
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I think children working is a little better than children starving to death.
Oh well, maybe that's just me.
Really? They didn't any taxes? None?
wow. that sounds a little far-fetched.
Oh well, maybe that's just me.
Out of the top 100 publicly-traded companies in America, 82 didn't even pay ANY taxes last year
Really? They didn't any taxes? None?
wow. that sounds a little far-fetched.
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Hitur Petar said:
Then, you could buy their products and wouldn't have to look elsewhere. But, american industry is becoming a dinosaur and grasping at straws to stay alive. Feel free to blame to Chinese or whoever as the ship goes down, but at long as your govt wants cutbacks on everything, R&D is taking taking long term hits that it won't ever be able to recover from.
You're missing the point, genius. The Chinese gov't is notorious for being intertwined with big business. Who says Huawei doesn't have ties that might breach US security?
Keep your anti-American thoughts to yourself, joker.
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muchdrama said:
You're missing the point, genius. The Chinese gov't is notorious for being intertwined with big business. Who says Huawei doesn't have ties that might breach US security?
Keep your anti-American thoughts to yourself, joker.
I completely agree on the thought that the Chinese gov't is often pulling the strings in their local companies. However, to be fair, Huawei has never been linked to anything like that. They are even welcoming an investigation into their own company. Doesn't sound like someone who has something to hide. Huawei believes they, given an equal chance, can compete with the companies already doing it here(rather poorly in some cases). So, I say give them a chance. It isn...
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I completely agree on the thought that the Chinese gov't is often pulling the strings in their local companies. However, to be fair, Huawei has never been linked to anything like that. They are even welcoming an investigation into their own company. Doesn't sound like someone who has something to hide. Huawei believes they, given an equal chance, can compete with the companies already doing it here(rather poorly in some cases). So, I say give them a chance. It isn't fair or American to deny them because they "might" or "could" be involved in something nefarious. "Might" and "could" pretty much encompass the entire globe. On the other hand, if Huawei were found to be dirty in some way, kick them to th
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Other countries are ok?
Nokia..
Ericsson...
Seimens...
Hell, Seimens had ties to the German gov't during WWII.
All these companies have giant networks in our country.
Nokia..
Ericsson...
Seimens...
Hell, Seimens had ties to the German gov't during WWII.
All these companies have giant networks in our country.
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CamelTowing said:
Other countries are ok?
Nokia..
Ericsson...
Seimens...
Hell, Seimens had ties to the German gov't during WWII.
All these companies have giant networks in our country.
Nokia, Ericsson & Siemens aren't Communist countries with a rigid, prying government.
Plus, WWII was 66 years ago. Hell, Ford had ties to the Nazis.
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muchdrama said:
Hell, Ford had ties to the Nazis.
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So, you gonna shut down all the Walmarts, too? They'd have empty shelves without chinese products. The "American made" products you own probably have chinese parts. Should we stop buying gasoline because that money fuels terrorism? I'm all for it if we are doing it to become a truly independent nation, but to do it out of xenophobic fears seems a little silly.
The fact is that everyone knows that the people who actually can do anything about it just won't. I'm pretty sure we will re-elect them with many thanks.
With so many crooked schemes involved, I would think working with a good company(if they turn out to be legit) would be a...
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CamelTowing said:
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So, you gonna shut down all the Walmarts, too? They'd have empty shelves without chinese products. The "American made" products you own probably have chinese parts. Should we stop buying gasoline because that money fuels terrorism? I'm all for it if we are doing it to become a truly independent nation, but to do it out of xenophobic fears seems a little silly.
The fact is that everyone knows that the people who actually can do anything about it just won't. I'm pretty sure we will re-elect them with many thanks.
With so many crooked schemes involved, I would think working with a good company(if they turn out to be legit) would be a good thing.
Nice tangent. I'm t...
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BWAHAHAHAAH!
Trusting your government is the first step to becoming a fool!
What we are talking about here is the fact that some fat old white people who don't like Chinese people decided that a Chinese company shouldn't have the right to do business here in the US. So, instead of offering any actual legitimate proof of anything, these old fat white people conjured up lies about a Chinese communist takeover if Huawei were to do business in America. Give me a break! That's no different than the old school red scare tactics from the 50's. That kind of thinking is outdated as segregated drinking fountains.
I bet you carry a Homeland Security emergency kit with you in your car too.
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Trusting your government is the first step to becoming a fool!
What we are talking about here is the fact that some fat old white people who don't like Chinese people decided that a Chinese company shouldn't have the right to do business here in the US. So, instead of offering any actual legitimate proof of anything, these old fat white people conjured up lies about a Chinese communist takeover if Huawei were to do business in America. Give me a break! That's no different than the old school red scare tactics from the 50's. That kind of thinking is outdated as segregated drinking fountains.
I bet you carry a Homeland Security emergency kit with you in your car too.
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CamelTowing said:
Trusting your government is the first step to becoming a fool!
I trust my gov't more than China's.
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muchdrama said:
I trust my gov't more than China's.
Why?
America's gov't sold itself to China years ago...
China owns more US debt than all other countries combined.
The gov't you trust sold it to them.
Now your concern is a Chinese company with no ties to the Chinese gov't wants to do business in the US and compete in our free enterprise?
That's the ol' "gotcha lookin' at somethin' else" trick...
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...I guess I said it all in the title.
We'll all be speaking chinese in a decade or so.
We'll all be speaking chinese in a decade or so.
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Actually, it's not that simple. We(or more specifically the US government) just gave them a bunch of worthless IOUs in the form of cash reserves and bonds. Basically paper.
China is essentially getting the short end of the stick. They gave use computers, dvd players, clothes, etc and we just gave them worthless paper. More specifically, it is the Chinese consumers because their government is devaluing their currency by maintaining the dollar peg and America's race to the bottom.
Countries need a balance of trade for things to be prosperous. What we have now is harming both Chinese and American citizens.
China is essentially getting the short end of the stick. They gave use computers, dvd players, clothes, etc and we just gave them worthless paper. More specifically, it is the Chinese consumers because their government is devaluing their currency by maintaining the dollar peg and America's race to the bottom.
Countries need a balance of trade for things to be prosperous. What we have now is harming both Chinese and American citizens.
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muchdrama said:
The Chinese gov't is notorious for being intertwined with big business.
America is notorious for being intertwined with big business as well.
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Ishamael said:
America is notorious for being intertwined with big business as well.
That's a whole other type of intertwined.
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No, no it's not.
America has taken almost 100% control of our banking systems, automobile manufactures and just about completely runs everything else.
America has taken almost 100% control of our banking systems, automobile manufactures and just about completely runs everything else.
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