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another att strategy!!

netboy

Feb 23, 2011, 10:24 AM
is to re-label their 3G as 4G!
on att map, it shows i got 4G coverage in bayarea, CA!
BS! i have htc inspire 4G, the speedtest is even lower than regular 3G phones!
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T Bone

Feb 23, 2011, 11:11 AM
Incorrect.


What is being called '4G' is HSPA+

The 3G is UMTS

They are two completely different technologies, HSPA+ is most emphatically NOT just UMTS relabeled, it is a completely different technology.

As far as it goes, none of the American networks offer something that could be called '4G'...but true '4G' has never really been defined either.


What has happened is that all of the carriers have invested billions in the last couple of years in improving their networks and increasing their data speeds, and they need some way to tell customers 'our networks are better than they used to be'.....and since the only consumers seem to know is this '3G' stuff...they are all, not just at&t but ALL carriers, using the '4G' label to...
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netboy

Feb 23, 2011, 12:23 PM
"And the at&t definition of 4G is identical with the T-Mobile definition" -TBone

but you do get higher speed on tmobile. around 6mb?
on att, they just relabel their 3G to 4G!
do a google on htc inspire 4G review or google on Atrix 4G, both phones getting speedtest lower then regular 3G phones!
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GeeksAreBest

Feb 23, 2011, 2:54 PM
No, AT&T labeled the HSPA+ as 4G. Which is the EXACT same thing as T-Mobile's 4G. The 4G term is used for the estimated download speeds while activly on the 4G network. Doesn't matter if it's HSPA+ or LTE as long as the theoretical download speeds can be met.

As far as relabeling, there was none done. 3G is still 3G, which is HSPA.
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epik

Feb 25, 2011, 10:24 AM
Prove it.

I can find a dozen news and industry sites with articles showing that AT&T referred to it's own HSPA+ network as 3G (which, according to ITU, it is).

For instance:
Engadget said:
It's a good day for next-gen network news, apparently -- first Verizon promised to bring its 4G network to 30 NFL cities by the end of the year, and now AT&T's John Stankey says its LTE network will arrive by mid-2011. Trials are already underway in Baltimore and Dallas, and Ma Bell's pulled some $700 million out of the kitty to fund the buildout, with investment scheduled to go "far beyond that" next year. On top of that, AT&T is also working to upgrade its backhaul connections for its current HSPA 7.2 3G sites to Gigabit Ethern
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Slammer

Feb 23, 2011, 1:13 PM
T-bone said:

----"What is being called '4G' is HSPA+

The 3G is UMTS

They are two completely different technologies, HSPA+ is most emphatically NOT just UMTS relabeled, it is a completely different technology."----


Not really. UMTS, HSPA, HSPA+ are all evolutions of GSM which were met by upgrades. LTE and WiMAX are completely different technologies than the GSM variants. In short, HSPA+ is just a build on 3G technology.

ATT and Tmo have elected on their own premise, to adopt the 4G terminology to play the market on perception.

While LTE and WiMAX may not currently fall into 4G speeds, these two networks are designed to evolve into the 4G standard for which the ITU has defined. This will be done by upgrading to LTE advanced...
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epik

Feb 25, 2011, 10:27 AM
They are two different technologies, and were both considered 3G up until January 5th, when AT&T decided that HSPA+, a 3G technology, was a little more 4G than it's other 3G technologies.

At this rate, these companies will be branding every upgrade as a new generation. We'll have 7G in 2012, by their system of technology branding.
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Slammer

Feb 25, 2011, 11:10 AM
I like even numbers. I think they should just move to 6,8 and 10G standards. 😁
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justfinethanku

Feb 24, 2011, 1:20 PM
This has nothing to do with 4G, 3G, or ANYTHING data related.

Grow up man, and stop posting here.
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JeffroPuff

Feb 24, 2011, 4:36 PM
How does the backhaul not being enhanced on your towers have anything to do with Wirefly???
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