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I think it's great.

toranonekochan

Feb 7, 2011, 9:19 PM
This is definitely an industry first, which is what they promised with this announcement. Everyone got so hyped up assuming it was an announcement about getting the stupid iphone or a winmo7(DEFINITELY not industry firsts).
Honestly, what were you expecting? And furthermore, why are you assuming the phone will be junk just because it's a Kyocera? No their record's not the greatest, but they've surprised us before. Give it a chance. I for one think it's a stunning concept, and I'll reserve my judgment on whether or not the phone is worth it until I've had my own hands on it and seen it in action.
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2011, 10:13 PM
Exactly. Thanks for answering your own question.
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2011, 10:16 PM
"why are you assuming the phone will be junk just because it's a Kyocera?"

Yes.
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toranonekochan

Feb 7, 2011, 10:31 PM
That doesn't answer the question I posed, unless you're inferring a comma where there isn't one. Kyocera hasn't been on the radar in years in the US, it's true. That doesn't mean they aren't capable of making a well thought out, functional device that's worth the hype. Don't assume it's crap just because of who made it.
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2011, 10:34 PM
Oh they've been on the map alright. They are infamous for making bull*Bleep*. It's as simple as that. Their reputation is well earned. Until they make a quality phone, I reserve the right to judge them on their past.
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MadFatMan

Feb 8, 2011, 10:45 AM
Agree. I will co-sign on that note 😈
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Mark_S

Feb 8, 2011, 11:32 AM
When Kyocera was making phones under "Qualcomm" the phones were better.
I had one that was absolutely great.
They have become more cheaply made and quality wise they have suffered since the Kyocera takeover.
Yes they have earned a bad rep.
Hopefully they make a comeback.
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glinc

Feb 8, 2011, 10:23 AM
Don't need to answer the question. If you have time walk into any Sprint store and try playing with the Sanyo Zio, which is a POS. Since Kyocera bought Sanyo, you will see where this phone gets its quality from because all Sanyo phones were great before the Zio. Also all Kyocera phones were garbage as well, so don't expect much.
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MadFatMan

Feb 8, 2011, 10:47 AM
Yep!
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jeffdws

Feb 8, 2011, 10:51 AM
I agree 100%. The Zio sucks royally, but having worked at a Sprint repair center for several years I know just how reliable the old Sanyo phones were. My friend's Katana has been through the wash, dropped from 10 feet onto concrete, and been through all other types of torture. Still running strong.

Not to sound like an old man or anything, but they definitely don't make them like they used to.

That said, I won't come to the conclusion that a phone is garbage until I've actually had a hands-on experience with it, because let's face it, anyone who hasnt touched it and is claiming it sucks is just bs'ing in the dark
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 5:16 PM
They make not make them like the old Sanyos but the old Kyoceras? Yes they were *Bleep*ty . I guess we know who bought who, huh? Seriously.
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MadFatMan

Feb 8, 2011, 6:26 PM
I have no sympathy for Kyocera. They have had several chances to prove themselves, as it has been said "they have been on the scene quite a while"

They continue to fail to meet expectations. Seriously a FLAGSHIP smartphone from Kyocera?

Kyocera do us a huge favor and stick with what you know. No contract, pre paid, gas station cell phones and leave the serious matters to the big boys.
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Slammer

Feb 8, 2011, 7:46 PM
It wasn't too long ago that HTC had a bad name. Yet one interesting device turned them into now enjoying the position as a top rated phone manufacturer.

I'm not saying it could happen here, but it is a first of its kind in the industry that warrants another look.

John B.
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MadFatMan

Feb 8, 2011, 8:25 PM
Yeah yeah yeah... Audiovox presto change o UT Starcom then wah la HTC and for the record High Tech Computer is a pretty lame name why don't we have an automobile company called RFC .. Really Fast Car.

Jon, what you fail to see here is although HTC didn't start off so hot as Audiovox they kept plugging along making the same type of device again and again until they got it right ... I ask you, What is Kyocera's smart phone history consist of? Where are there credentials for not only producing a smart phone but a "flagship" smartphone. So far, again were back to gas station pre paid and the wonderful job they have done maintaining Sanyo's good name in the wireless arena (sarcasm).

BTW for the record I am a huge High Tech Computer fan. :wi...
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Slammer

Feb 8, 2011, 11:07 PM
---"BTW for the record I am a huge High Tech Computer fan."---

I have had an HTC even when the young didn't think they were cool. I have always preached on how they will be up and coming.

Outside the wireless industry, I am a technician by trade. I browse these sites because I love technology. To overlook a company like Kyocera based on past history is understandable yet also somewhat negligent in sensible reasoning in a fast paced competitive market.

In the years I've been servicing equipment, I have seen my share of crap turn to gold. Products on the verge of extinction. Then they redesign a product and suddenly it becomes an itemized pre-requisite for others to follow.

People need to lighten up on this.

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MadFatMan

Feb 9, 2011, 12:54 AM
Well all I am saying is they have a formidable foe as an obstacle which is their own public perception and secondly what are their smartphone credentials. HTC didnt come out of nowhere with a smartphone it was a long line of refining WinMo unit after WinMo unit.

So Kyocera has the Zio?

Let me explain the Zio, It is the impulse buy for a child to browbeat their parents into adding a line on the account for them or a tech novice that knows nothing about phones that is talked into it by a mall kiosk sales rep and knows no better then to be wow'd by buzz words like touch screen and android. Users HATE this device and spend their entire time of ownership counting down their days to their next upgrade. This my friend is Kyocera's domestic ...
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jeffdws

Feb 10, 2011, 9:28 AM
I understand the hesitant people who have been disappointed with Kyocera handsets before, and I don't blame them. My original point was wait until you have hands-on experience with it before you determine it sucks. Without any actual experience there's NO WAY you can make an informed decision. This is true of most things though.

Just give it a chance and get to know it about before you jump to hasty conclusions.
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jeffdws

Feb 8, 2011, 10:59 AM
Not saying this phone won't or will suck, but keep in mind other manufacturers. Motorola and HTC have been guilty of making TERRIBLE phones as well as great ones. Every manufacturer has a chance to get one right or wrong once in a while.

HTC Touch, Touch Pro, Touch Diamond were all terrible phones. For a while Sprint was MAKING us exchange broken Touch Pro's with newer Blackberries and Windows phones (Snap) just so Sprint could stop dealing with the flood of repair issues. Then they come out with the Evo, which is one of the best phones on the market. Their new Thunderbolt looks to take that crown.

As for Motorola, the Razr V3M is the only proof I need that they're capable of making a dud now and then. They also have good phones like t...
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trenen

Feb 8, 2011, 12:23 PM
LoL, Razr V3M? Try the ROKR. Probably the biggest flop in cellphone history. 🙂
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jeffdws

Feb 8, 2011, 3:57 PM
Hahaha I never had a ROKR but I owned a Razr. Motorola made a LOT of bad phones back then
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 5:18 PM
The difference between Kyocera and Motorola is that in Motorola's past they have at least made one or two good handsets as well as my favorite phone of all time the 270c. Every Kyocera I ever sold placed me closer and closer to hell. That little voice inside BEGGED me not to do it.
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DiamondPro

Feb 8, 2011, 5:20 PM
Great example but people think all HTC builds is quality because of the Evo and dinc. Look at any manufacturer and they have made products that completely blow. This is what makes them comeback with something better look at the droid eris compared to the dinc. This maybe the one Kyocera got right. 😉
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CamelTowing

Feb 8, 2011, 12:02 PM
Funny... because 5 years ago.... it was HTC and LG who were making the crappiest phones. Now HTC makes the very best phones out there and LG is pretty respectable.

To better let you understand, let's talk in terms of football.

Why would you hate on the 2010 GB Packers because they sucked in 1982?

Oh and who is it that made the worst phones over the last few years? Motorola? Now everybody loves them because they started doing something different.

Please come up with a response that doesn't scream "I hate Sprint".
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 5:21 PM
Can't compare Kyocera to the Packers. The Packers were winners in the past. Title Town before the Super bowl era and winners of Super Bowls One and Two and whatever number it was in 1996 when Favre won there. No if you want to compare Kyocera to someone try the Lions.
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DiamondPro

Feb 8, 2011, 5:22 PM
Good analogy u cant hate on something until you have done the research. Most people are just blowing smoke.
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Hitur Petar

Feb 7, 2011, 10:22 PM
I agree with the statement about Kyocera. They make better phones than what they offer in the States. They are not strictly a low-end company by any stretch. My theory is, it has a good processor and solid software in Android.

This is definatly better than something like the iphone or win7. There's nothing new or exciting there. Its true, people are tired of the same thing, but attack anything even remotely different before even having a hands on. People are "upset" that something that was billed as an industry first is too "out there." Of course it's totally different. Thats a good thing. If it's not for you, so be it, but people sound like 5 year olds that something billed as new and comes out and is indeed an industry first, wasn't mad...
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2011, 10:32 PM
"Grow up losers."

Seriously? Very mature. Someone makes an attack on the manufacturer. I sold phones for ten years. I never met a Kyocera that was worth a damn. Not one. Still, I get this from you?

"people sound like 5 year olds"

Really?


"This is definatly better than something like the iphone or win7."

All I have to say is even a five year old like myself has the good sense to use free spell check. I recommend it to you.
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toranonekochan

Feb 7, 2011, 10:36 PM
As far as you selling Kyocera's, you haven't mentioned that once yet in this thread, meaning you've offered us no evidence to support your opinion that the phone will not be good.
As far as sounding like a five year old, I wouldn't go that far, but you certainly do come off as arrogant and that your opinion is the right one just because you say so.
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2011, 10:45 PM
My opinion is just an opinion. I see nothing wrong with criticizing a handset or a manufacturer who has a horrible track record. My profile is there for all to see. I don't preface every post with my work history. Still, for someone to make personal attacks against those who do not share their opinion in the same post as they accuse those individuals of being five year olds is ironic to say the least.
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Hitur Petar

Feb 7, 2011, 11:10 PM
I haven't responded to any of your posts until now, so if there was any attack, it was on the general group of people who all think the "standard script/conventional wisdom" line of thinking and apply it to every scenario. Yes perhaps it was closed minded of me to not give more credit to closed mindedness. Perhaps you noticed my post was in response to the original post of the thread? Do you even have Sprint?
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2011, 11:10 PM
I don't know what I would have to be arrogant about. I am spending my free time on a phone forum after all. As far as opinions...everyone has them...just like *Bleep*holes and they are all probably worth about the same.

Speaking of which. Here's one:

"Needless to say, when I heard the name Kyocera I was doubtful that this was the big announcement..." Hitur Petar

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »

So let me get this straight. My worthless opinion of Kyocera notwithstanding even THIS kid has a low opinion of them.

Am I miffed that I was over on the Sprint forum in early January musing about what Sprint's phone announcement was going to be? Hell yes! If they had just let me know that it...
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Hitur Petar

Feb 7, 2011, 11:14 PM
That's funny that you selectively quote me to make it sound like the exact opposite of what you knew I actually said. Classy.
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2011, 11:24 PM
No the main of your comment was positive or "open-minded" as you would term it, but the point is that even YOU had to qualify your statement because Kyocera has a reputation for garbage handsets. Believe me that reputation is WELL EARNED.
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Slammer

Feb 8, 2011, 6:59 AM
The thing that sets us older people apart from others on these forums, is the ability to keep our heads intact and show some level headedness towards products and services. Having an open mind on everything that comes through the front door, can at least show others that we are mature enough to accept change. We are on these forums because we have a Passion for new technologies and products.

HTC is my ultimate love. But I can honestly say that I am quite jealous of Kyocera coming through with a ground breaking product regardless of past history. I have no love for Apple yet the iPhone set the bar for change.

I think splitting the opinion of how innovative a product is from what the products historical defective nature was, can only b...
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MadFatMan

Feb 8, 2011, 10:29 AM
Well said. But I still have my reservations about Kyocera..
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 5:24 PM
This may be the one. But there is NOTHING in Kyocera's D.N.A. to suggest that they can build a winner. Again, Sprint was totally off base to hype this thing. When you drag an old used up prostitute off the street and try to pass her off as a virgin... Expect a little push back.
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Slammer

Feb 8, 2011, 6:34 PM
---"Again, Sprint was totally off base to hype this thing."---

I have to disagree. Marketing has been consistantly Sprint's weakness. They need to bolster their image. While Kyocera may not be what people were expecting, Sprint successfully piqued the interest of many to watch what they were coming out with. This was not intended to be a flagship device. The lack of 4G is proof. It was intended as an industry first. They delivered on this promise. Historically, Sprint usually shines at the CTIA. This is where I would expect something more prominent in a flagship offering. I look very forward to see what they have lined up.

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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 6:39 PM
I believe Sprint and T-Mobile are needed to combat the Duopoly. I am on record in numerous posts. But this is just sad. Kyocera? K-Y-O-C-E-R-A? 😕 There has to be a big brother HTC device waiting in the wings. There just HAS TO BE!
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Texasman1

Feb 8, 2011, 9:32 PM
I just have to say that one of the BEST and most reliable "smart" phones (it was a palm device actually but back in a day when that was almost as smart as they came) was a Kyocera 7135. It was a flip phone with "dual input areas", the top was the screen and the bottom had the palm input boxes. You guys may not remember this one but I assure you in its day it was top notch and I still have found memories of that device. I for one have faith in Kyocera and since that early time have waited for them to get back into the game.

Just my 2 cents.
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Azeron

Feb 9, 2011, 7:52 PM
I sold that phone. I assure you that it was a joke. Very funny. You are bringing back memories. I am also thinking about the Audiovox Thera. The good ol' days when just putting a stylus on a phone made it look cool.
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Texasman1

Feb 9, 2011, 8:15 PM
You "assure me that it was a joke"?

I think the only thing you are assuring is that you have not a clue as to anything but how to spread ill will in all your comments.

I used the phone heavily for almost two years for business for a major corporation and I assure you it was not joke. Perhaps instead of selling it you should have used it.

But I am not here, nor did I post originally to talk about the older 7135. Kyocera made a quality phone in the 7135 in a lot of people's opinion.

It is amusing in a way, as after reading these comments I was SURE that you would HAVE to pipe in, as you seem to can't stand to sit on the sideline and not say anything if the substance in any way contradicts something you have said.

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DiamondPro

Feb 8, 2011, 5:26 PM
It wasn't a personal attack. 🙄

Did he say your name personally?

He made some good points to some of the whiners on here and I couldn't agree more with some of the things he said. 😉
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 6:27 PM
There you go on your knees as usual.
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DiamondPro

Feb 8, 2011, 7:40 PM
Wow is that all you got?

You were crying 😢 About a personal attack that never took place and then u dish one out... What a joke 🙄
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DiamondPro

Feb 8, 2011, 5:24 PM
Exactly people would be all gaga over a iphone that came out last year. But a company that actually tries to innovate and come out with something new ppl start hating like no tomorrow. 🙄
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Naytess

Feb 8, 2011, 12:01 PM
I'll admit I was overly excited for this event leading up to it. I was also FURIOUS to find out that this event's only unveiling was the Kyocera Echo. I kept looking for signs that this was the event's "opener", and that the REAL news was the LG Optimus 3D, or the Sony Ericsson Xperia Play (I know...a total pipe dream but, was fun to think about anyway!), or maybe even the EVO's true successor (not the lil bro version). But, alas...there was no more news to be found. I was embarrassed. For myself, and for Sprint.

After pouting in disgust for several minutes...I decided to take a look at the device, read the first impressions, and looked at the pics. I had to admit that this was indeed an "Industry First". As my anger subsided, I found mys...
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DE 2 Philly

Feb 8, 2011, 12:08 PM
I agree.

I was very disapointed when I saw this phone.

But then the price + the new feature of dual screens really isnt that bad.

They shouldnt have hyped it up this much; was a sure thing for a let down. But it seems to be a great phone for the price spec. wise.

Should have saved all the hype for what you said; either a 3D phone or the EVO 2.
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Naytess

Feb 8, 2011, 12:22 PM
Thank you, and I agree with you as well.

I think Sprint kinda shot themselves in the foot by hyping up this event for this single unveiling. For a while now, whenever they try and release "breaking news"...we'll all be a lil suspicious, and slow to excite.

Oh well...I'm still a happy Sprint customer. 😎
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 6:43 PM
They launched Simply Everything on a Thursday with no fanfare. The Evo? Most of its anticipation was under a different name. Now THAT was something worth of this type of hype. (Shakes head sadly) A *Bleeping* Kyocera.
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DE 2 Philly

Feb 9, 2011, 1:24 PM
The marketing team should be fired and start from scratch.
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2011, 6:33 PM
That's ALL I'm saying! Find me ONE person (besides the two sycophants who would open wide if Sprint were selling urine for ten dollars a swallow) who didn't hear Kyocera and pause (if only for a moment) in concern.
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Azeron

Feb 9, 2011, 7:53 PM
Thanks. That made me laugh. I am quite giddy now, but you did find someone. Kudos!
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crammy1

Feb 10, 2011, 10:41 PM
😁
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DiamondPro

Feb 8, 2011, 7:42 PM
Wise words indeed one can only hope more consumers share your insight
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