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even if we disagree on where the regulation comes from

mkl4466

Jan 28, 2011, 8:53 PM
Can we agree that the principle of net neutrality is undeniably good for consumers and good for small business? It gives everyone a fair, even playing field, encourages innovation, protects our privacy, and squashes discrimination.
If the government wanted to "control" the internet, we would be having a different discussion. But the FCC isn't sniffing our packets, they aren't regulating what we as consumers say, do, or look at, use, or access while online (as long as we don't violate any other laws), they aren't demanding that the ISPs turn their servers over to the government or telling the ISPs they can't charge us to access the internet. Net Neutrality regulation simply keeps the ISPs from changing the fundamental guideline of how the in...
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Ishamael

Jan 28, 2011, 10:58 PM
mkl4466 said:
Can we agree that the principle of net neutrality is undeniably good for consumers and good for small business?


That's not what the corporations want, and they run the country.

The educated people who objectively consider net neutrality know that it is the best option for the people. The major corporations will use their money to ensure that the uneducated masses are against the idea and will shoot it down.

Welcome to America.
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mkl4466

Jan 28, 2011, 11:07 PM
On one hand, the success of a democracy is directly related to the level of understanding combined with the level of participation of the people who make up the democracy.
On the other hand, whether it be for good or bad, this issue isn't up for a public vote. This is between the corporations, the FCC, and the lawyers who represent them.
Until this becomes either a congressional bill or a referendum, all our talk is theoretical and won't change a single thing.
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thebigsaxon

Jan 31, 2011, 5:47 AM
Ishamael said:


That's not what the corporations want, and they run the country.

The educated people who objectively consider net neutrality know that it is the best option for the people. The major corporations will use their money to ensure that the uneducated masses are against the idea and will shoot it down.

Welcome to America.


Get out while you still can. I did and it was well worth it.
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T Bone

Jan 29, 2011, 2:49 PM
Can we agree that the principle of net neutrality is undeniably good for consumers and good for small business?

Absolutely NOT. 'Net neutrality' is an Orwellian term which means 'government control of the Internet'

That we don't want 'corporations' to have control of the Internet, therefore we need government control is not an argument I find at all persuasive.
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thebigsaxon

Jan 31, 2011, 5:50 AM
I would like to hear you elaborate. Corporations operate at profit at all cost whereas the Government...
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acdc1a

Jan 31, 2011, 12:36 PM
whereas the Government...can't tell its ass from a hole in the ground.
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lollipop

Feb 1, 2011, 4:04 PM
If the government is so stupid then you should stop relying on its services. You know you can always have Nestle provide you water.. It will cost you about 800 times more but if the Government is so horrible then you should gladly vote with your dollar and allow a more "efficient" for profit corporation provide for your needs.
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lollipop

Feb 1, 2011, 4:29 PM
Well, if the government wanted to control they would have done it. Everything the Carriers and ISPs use are either liscenced from the goverment or purchased.

Also ISPs and Carriers do not own the internet. By all rights they have zero rights to make anyone pay for access to networks they do not operate. It can honestly be argued that the internet itself is a form digital commons where we have allowed coporations to provide us access despite the fact it was created by the US government.

I love the corporate exceptionalism that many of you people espouse. Basically, your argument is that Corporations should be a lawless unregulated entity in the borders of a country who only needs to fear the backlash of markets. With that idea ...
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Iknownothing

Feb 2, 2011, 1:22 AM
What they want, without realizing it of course, is anarchy.
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T Bone

Jan 29, 2011, 3:01 PM
"Can anyone honestly provide any valid argument against the concept that net neutrality is beneficial, and even necessary, to keep the internet as we know it alive and kicking?"

The better question is 'where is the evidence that regulation is needed in the first place?'

Can anyone SERIOUSLY argue that there is no competition among ISPs?

No, they cannot.

Can anyone argue that there has been a lack of innovation in this industry over the last 10 years?

No they cannot.

Can anyone argue that this is being done in response to an actual PROBLEM that currently exists?

No, all the net neutrality advocates admit that this is in response to a purely HYPOTHETICAL problem, one which has never actually existed in reality, and o...
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mkl4466

Jan 29, 2011, 3:49 PM
Really? Did you miss the story about metro pcs web plans? Its happening right now. And the reason it hasn't been a big issue before that web speeds couldn't provide the kind of massive transmissions such as hd movies that made a "fast lane" possible.
Further, an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Why wait till it becomes common practice and then fight it? Should I wait til I'm diagnosed with diabetes to start eating healthy?
And if the ISPs aren't going to abuse the system anyway, as you seem to think, why would they fight to keep from behind held to a standard?
The argument that we don't want the government to control the internet is not valid in this case, as the government regulation is designed to protect every individuals ...
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pickles

Jan 29, 2011, 9:00 PM
do a barrel roll!

problem solved.
you're welcome, gents.
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thebigsaxon

Jan 31, 2011, 5:55 AM
Very good post.

People don't realise that Regulations are enacted to protect those who otherwise could not protect or represent themselves by guaranteeing a minimum level of service & operations.

Capitalism without regulation or rules is a very dangerous thing because it follows the whoever has the most toys, wins paradigm.
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acdc1a

Jan 31, 2011, 12:38 PM
MetroPCS allows for unlimited web browsing on their $40 plans. They allow for unlimited youtube video. Everything else costs extra.

For $60 they allow UNLIMITED EVERYTHING. You have the choice you idiot! Would you rather they take the $40 and $50 plans away?
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lollipop

Feb 1, 2011, 4:15 PM
Well here is the issue. When you allow tiered access to data then it means you will submit when they start carving more and more into those plans.

The idea of choice does not make it better. Hell do you even realize how much data even costs a carrier? Verizon calls data plans "free money" which means its a product with no cost. Same as text messaging.. You pay 20.00 for unlimited text messaging and it literally cost the carrier NOTHING to provide the service.

You talk to me about choice but what you cite is a product with no value. Anyone remember the Vcast Vpak? Unlimited data on your phone from VzW for 15 a month... Now for 10 bucks Verizon offers you 75mbs a month. Look at the shrinkage there... Look how they just gauged ...
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Menno

Jan 31, 2011, 11:09 PM
Net neutrality is also the path of HARD data caps, of your phone calls dropping because the guy next to you is streaming porn 24/7, and it's the path to higher rates for everyone.

Net Neutrality, as in One IP costs the same to you as a user to access as the other IP is a good thing. But that's not what's going on here. If you really think that's all the government's going to do, then you really need to look at other things they try and "regulate."

Government regulation in the tech world is a LOSE for consumers. Full stop. Yes, companies trying to tier websites is a bad thing. But giving over that control to an organization that has NO MOTIVE to be efficient, keep customers happy, and is too laden with red tape to change when neede...
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lollipop

Feb 1, 2011, 3:52 PM
Is that white Municipal water is actually cleaner then bottled water?

I am sorry but the statement that corporations run efficient is absolute BS. There is a state run ISP that runs a faster, cheaper, and more efficient internet service then the cable provider in its borders. What net neutrality is is a path to forcing the Broadband carriers and ISPs to keep up with demand and upgrade their networks instead of adding more and more customers without want to expand capacity to suit the needs of their growing customer base.

What people like you are advocating is basically giving the ISPs zero reason to upgrade their networks to keep up with demand. If you're dropping calls because someone is watching Porn 24/7 then your ISP/Wir...
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lollipop

Feb 1, 2011, 3:53 PM
Dang it replace "White" with Why.
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Menno

Feb 1, 2011, 4:16 PM
You mentioned comcast. Here's the thing about national telecoms: They're GOVERNMENT MANDATED monopolies.

The same is true with Time Warner, etc. Do you have any idea the amount of red tape FIOS had to go through to offer TV services in areas with comcast? This isn't comcast saying no, these are municipalities who underwrote the cost of the cable networks and gave a company exclusivity in exchange for a kickback.

In areas where Fios and other alternatives exist, comcasts customer service is actually remarkably better. At my first apartment I had comcast or sattilite. It took me forever to get anything done. Down here where they are competing with Fios the customer service is much better.

That state internet? who are they comp...
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lollipop

Feb 1, 2011, 5:10 PM
Actually FiOS had to go through ZERO red tape. The reason for the mandated service areas of ISPs is due the laws on providing copper wiring... When an ISP comes into an area they are allowed to place down their copper as they have to purchase the rights to operate in that area. ISPs operate exactly like Energy Utilites.

FiOS actually avoided ALL red tape by the fact that their technology did not mandate laying down copper wires but the laying of Glass. SO they escaped the laws which allowed them to lay down fiber lines that were subsized by the federal government.... Its actually an extremely interesting story.


Um... come to Richmond and most of the surrounding area in VA as no one wants comcast... I have lived in three dif...
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lollipop

Feb 1, 2011, 5:14 PM
Btw Netflix was only an example.
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