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Verizon Challenges FCC's Net Neutrality Push

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Ignorance amazes me

trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 11:44 AM
So many ignorant people here it's disgusting. Some of you people are completely missing the point on why Net Neutrality is bad all around. One reason has already been stated - it's been executed unconstitutionally. I suppose a lot of people here are blind libbies anyway so they don't know the difference. Whatever...sound off that VZW is the "bad guy" for calling the FCC out for breaking the law. I say, kudos to VZW for standing up for the law (regardless of their reasoning).
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acdc1a

Jan 21, 2011, 11:45 AM
These are the same folks who speak out against the power grab by the Bush administration.
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 11:47 AM
This administration is doing things far worse than the last one, or any previous one. But I'm not here to talk politics.
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acdc1a

Jan 21, 2011, 11:52 AM
I'm also not here to talk politics, but it is certainly worth mentioning how the partisan games have taken hold of the system by convincing people on either side that the other is evil.
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 11:56 AM
I agree, but obviously one side stands out more than the other (there is always a side that does). Either way, people are missing the whole point on why NN is bad, and that's what I find so disturbing and is probably why so many illegal things get thrown out at us these days...so many people are just too plain ignorant to notice.
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Slammer

Jan 21, 2011, 12:17 PM
The word ignorance, gets thrown around way too much in this forum.

Here's a question for you:

How much are you willing to sacrifice to keep Government and their appointed departments out of your life?

John B.
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 12:23 PM
Believe me, I work very hard at that. What's your point?
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crammy1

Jan 21, 2011, 10:41 PM
i think your answer actually proves his point =)
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Slammer

Jan 21, 2011, 12:07 PM
So which one is evil then? The one that is appointed to look out for our interests, or the one that's in business to make as much of a profit as possible off of our interests?

Given that the Government is involved, this is a close call. But I would still vote against the corporate rhetoric.

John B.
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 12:15 PM
See, now this is what I don't understand. People are all against corporations. It's the corporations (whether you like it or not) that supply a majority of the jobs in this country (and the world). Without them, we all would be living in a much different economic world (not a good one). Think of all that corporations that supply hundreds (even thousands) of jobs. You hate them, but they are probably what's paying for your access to the Internet right now. Are corporations all that good? Not always - but if certain people pull their collective heads out of their asses they would realize how much these corporations do for us.
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Slammer

Jan 21, 2011, 12:32 PM
I'm not against corporations. I'm against corporations in this such case where they try to limit accessibility to something that has been widely available to the public for years. I haven't had to pay very much to access info I desire. The carriers are trying to charge consumers for info that the carriers feel should not be accessible without their permission and cash transaction.

Don't we pay enough to these carriers that rake in billions in profit? If your concerned about the employees and jobs in this case, you should be hitting them up to tap into these resources and leave the consumers rights to open info, alone.

John B.
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 12:49 PM
If you owned acres of land, would you like people to have the right to trample all over your property at any given time and ruin it? No, you would call law enforcement for trespassing. ISPs are PRIVATE companies that OWN their networks. It is THEIR right to manage it how they see fit. They are protected by the 5th amendment, which is where this whole 'unconstitutional' argument stems. Just because you don't agree with how they manage things, doesn't give you (a general populace you) the right to a 'free lunch'.
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Slammer

Jan 21, 2011, 2:14 PM
Private Property owned by private individuals, have the right to govern their own kingdom. But, if they use their property in delivering publically secured ownership, rules and regulations now get put into place for the providers.

But let's take this to a different area. By your definition, a daycare center has the right to smack your kid around if they seem fit. Right? Afterall, it's private property.

The daycare center has the right to accept the child as a client or turn them away, they can't make up their own rules that go against the parents wishes.

John B.
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Iknownothing

Jan 22, 2011, 5:35 PM
Did you actually just make an argument agains any sort of regulation?

Lets make this the 310 to yuma example. Lets say you move to arizona so your child with the consumption can have a dry enviroment. You buy up a nice little homestead on the river. The union pacific wants you land for their railroad. but they only want to pay you 2cents on the dollar for it. Well you say know. That's ok with them because they also own some land upriver of you.. which they promptly damn up, killing your crops, cattle, and starving you and your family until you're willing to get whatever you can.

Thank God we don't live in that country, right?

Corporations are not people, and citizens have a right and responsibity to regulate the way business i...
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crammy1

Jan 21, 2011, 10:46 PM
dont you think the same can be said of the gov't? (they help provide jobs,without the government there would also be a different economic world,etc.)
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Iknownothing

Jan 22, 2011, 5:29 PM
it's leverage AGAINST competition. It's not evil, its a component of a system.

The other (or another) component of the system are the people of the society letting them know what rules they have to play by, to foster competition, to allow for a fair and even playing field, to foster innovation, new business and new services. When the people abdicate their responsibility and their power what happens is exactly what YOU dont want to happen. Innovation stifled. Smaller business crushed, consumer pays more for less.

I dont blame these corporations.. I blame You.
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Slammer

Jan 21, 2011, 12:09 PM
I really don't think VZ is as concerned about the law as their pockets.

John B.
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 12:15 PM
Rolling Eyes
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WiWavelength

Jan 21, 2011, 12:38 PM
trenen said:
So many ignorant people here it's disgusting. Some of you people are completely missing the point on why Net Neutrality is bad all around. One reason has already been stated - it's been executed unconstitutionally. I suppose a lot of people here are blind libbies anyway so they don't know the difference. Whatever...sound off that VZW is the "bad guy" for calling the FCC out for breaking the law. I say, kudos to VZW for standing up for the law (regardless of their reasoning).


The law is the Communications Act of 1934, which has not been ruled unconstitutional in nearly 80 years of existence. So, please know what powers that Congress has legislatively delegated to the FCC before you make spuri...
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 12:44 PM
Contradicts the 5th (and 1st arguably) Amendement, champ.
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WiWavelength

Jan 21, 2011, 5:59 PM
trenen said:
Contradicts the 5th (and 1st arguably) Amendement, champ.


Nope. I refute your constitutional arguments in these post:

http://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff=7 ... »
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff=7 ... »

Additionally, according to the Supreme Court, which is the highest arbiter of constitutionality, the Communications Act of 1934 is not unconstitutional.

AJ
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ELawson87

Jan 21, 2011, 6:58 PM
Interpreting freedom of speech and a guarantee to due process of law into the right of corporations to privatize the internet is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Additionally, as I wrote in my other post, the FCC is well within its rights. Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress authority to regulate interstate commerce and to make laws necessary and proper to carrying out its constitutional authority. The FCC is legally empowered by Congress to regulate the internet. Check my other post for a detailed explanation of just how misinformed and wrong you are.
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AudibleNarcotic

Jan 21, 2011, 12:42 PM
If ignorance amazes you then you must find yourself truly amazing.
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trenen

Jan 21, 2011, 12:45 PM
Ohhh haha you got me there. Rolling Eyes
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AudibleNarcotic

Jan 21, 2011, 12:46 PM
Thanks. I assumed that my clever word play would do just that.
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