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Annnd what of T-Mobile's claim

pfs2009

Dec 18, 2010, 9:53 AM
They have gotten quiet about it. Did Vz & Sprint file a complaint on them or sumthing?
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Slammer

Dec 18, 2010, 12:29 PM
I not only believe they did, I expected that they would.

Sprint and VZW are spending a ton of cash to plan for the future of what really defines the next stages of communication. ATT and T-mobile(Specifically) have leveraged speed as the only requirement for 4G.

Most common consumers currently don't correlate what is entailed with 4G except speed. However, as the technology evolves, it will become evident that something is definitely different between "true" 4G and the experience of what they thought was 4G.

John B.
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rawvega

Dec 18, 2010, 12:32 PM
The ITU gave t-mobile an out with this line:

... and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.
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Slammer

Dec 18, 2010, 1:21 PM
I must admit that it does sound like an out that Tmo would like to use to their advantage. However, what substantial performance and capability enhancements have they really made other than speed? Every carrier has that potential.

John B.
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RockTripod

Dec 18, 2010, 2:37 PM
Considering how loose the definition of 4G is becoming, maybe speed should be the primary distinguisher. And BTW, T-Mo is NOT stopping its 4G campaign. I still have to answer the phone with "Thank you for calling T-Mobile, America's largest 4G network." Yeah, its not gonna stop until Verizon decides to sue. Sprint, well, I'm not worried about them.
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ChipDaFone

Dec 18, 2010, 2:49 PM
Works for me. Its make all the advertising legitimate.
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 3:02 PM
That still doesn't mean that your not lying to your customers every time u say that.

4g has several requirements not just speed which the other 2 technology Wimax and Lte meet hspa+ does not. tmobile doesn't even meet the speed requirement and is slower than wimax and lte.
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 18, 2010, 3:33 PM
DiamondPro said:
That still doesn't mean that your not lying to your customers every time u say that.

4g has several requirements not just speed which the other 2 technology Wimax and Lte meet hspa+ does not. tmobile doesn't even meet the speed requirement and is slower than wimax and lte.


WiMax and LTE in their current form did not meet ITU standards for 4G until they recently backpedaled on this. I have news for you. All carriers were lying to their customers on this. The term 4G is more marketing than anything and it works. Anyone and everyone is drooling over it ๐Ÿ˜
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 4:09 PM
And I have news for you. Sprint was using the term before 100mbs was pulled out of thin air and used as a requirement for 4g by the ITU. Verizon and tmobile started using the term even after the ITU made it clear they in fact did not have 4g!
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Jonathanlc2005

Dec 19, 2010, 5:16 AM
Because sprint knew it was beta 4g, and knew it qualified. As for ITU, they didn't give up because usa carriers adopted it. I'm sure there is some backroom conversations about it and they knew it was too high
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Azeron

Dec 19, 2010, 3:28 PM
Who cares what these guys think? The consumer just wants to surf Facebook and porn sites (or maybe that's just me...)
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RockTripod

Dec 18, 2010, 6:18 PM
So... you didn't read the article, did you? It clearly states that the ITU is classifying HSPA+ as a 4G tech. But hey, thanks for implying that I am intentionally lying to my customers. You rock.
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Slammer

Dec 18, 2010, 6:40 PM
The article made no mention of "HSPA+". It said that it would classify a 3G network that had a substantial improvement in performance and capabilities. Speed alone does not fall under this outline which is the only thing HSPA+ brought to the table.

I would consider LTHSPA+ under this definition.

John B.
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RockTripod

Dec 18, 2010, 6:46 PM
Slammer said:
It said that it would classify a 3G network that had a substantial improvement in performance and capabilities.blockquote>

What did you think they were referring to, then?
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Slammer

Dec 18, 2010, 7:06 PM
Long Term HSPA+

John B.
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RockTripod

Dec 19, 2010, 1:03 PM
That's 2+ years out, and is a "true" 4G tech.
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 7:17 PM
They never said Hspa+. So u didn't read the article. And yes you are lying to your customers. Hspa+ is 3g technology tmobile is the only carrier stupid enough to call hspa+ 4g. Carriers oversea's have had hspa+ longer then teen-mobile with even faster speeds and they do not call hspa+ 4g. They call it 3g, which is was tmobile originally called hspa+ now all of a sudden they wanna change it. It went from 3g, to 3g that "4g like", to 4g. But it was still the same hspa+ ๐Ÿ™„
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djdanska

Dec 18, 2010, 8:16 PM
Short of ITU coming to your doorstep, nothing will change your opinion. Your just one of those tmobile haters. Nothing they do right will matter. beat att with 21Mbps down, With equipment to use it! and you'd still find something wrong. Quit with all the hating, it just makes you look like a fool. (And they have been calling phones 3.5G capable for well over a year or two. Hell, 3.6Mbps was considered 3.5G

http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/mobile-phone/mobi ... »

I refuse to classify my hd2 which goes upto (and i can use it) 7.2Mbps in the same classification as a 3.5G phone at 3.6mbps, let alone a g2 at 14.4 and the tmobile rocket data card at 21Mbps. It's a better technology, b...
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 8:54 PM
You obviously dont understand enough about the technologys to know the difference. People like u make my job even harder because I have to break down and explain the difference. Before I break it down to u I have a challenge for u. Show me some screenshots or videos on youtube of a g2 hitting 14.4mbs.
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 18, 2010, 9:11 PM
DiamondPro said:
You obviously dont understand enough about the technologys to know the difference. People like u make my job even harder because I have to break down and explain the difference. Before I break it down to u I have a challenge for u. Show me some screenshots or videos on youtube of a g2 hitting 14.4mbs.


OMG!!! Your a legend in your own mind! ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ

Best comment of the year Diamond...Your going to teach us all ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 9:30 PM
I know ๐Ÿ˜‰
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 18, 2010, 9:32 PM
DiamondPro said:
I know ๐Ÿ˜‰


what? nothing? ๐Ÿคจ
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Jonathanlc2005

Dec 19, 2010, 6:16 AM
ill be happy if they can even post a 7mbps-14mbps speed ๐Ÿคฃ
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tmorep03

Dec 21, 2010, 1:37 PM
no problem i have gotten over 8mbps on my g2 in spokane washington and wait sprint doesnt have wimax there.
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 18, 2010, 8:22 PM
DiamondPro said:
They never said Hspa+. So u didn't read the article. And yes you are lying to your customers.๐Ÿ™„


Why do you start out half your responses with these comments? ๐Ÿ™„

And yes, you are lying to all of us with your propaganda ๐Ÿ™„
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 8:56 PM
HawkeyeOC said:


Why do you start out half your responses with these comments? ๐Ÿ™„

And yes, you are lying to all of us with your propaganda ๐Ÿ™„

When you post meaningless information like this your only trolling
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 18, 2010, 9:07 PM
DiamondPro said:


When you post meaningless information like this your only trolling


As opposed to your meaningful posts always backed up with the best facts your imagination can come up with? ๐Ÿคจ
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 9:25 PM
Are u still trolling
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 18, 2010, 9:30 PM
DiamondPro said:
Are u still trolling


Are you still spreading lies? ๐Ÿ™„
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 9:48 PM
No but u are
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 18, 2010, 10:27 PM
DiamondPro said:
No but u are


Is that the best you can come up with? ๐Ÿ˜ฒ
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 11:38 PM
I wish there were a way that I could block all post by u as the contain no useful information
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HawkeyeOC

Dec 19, 2010, 12:09 AM
DiamondPro said:
I wish there were a way that I could block all post by u as the contain no useful information


According to your way of thinking, no post from anyone but yours on phone scoop contains any useful info. your against everyone and thats sad and misguided.

try again ๐Ÿ˜ฒ
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RockTripod

Dec 19, 2010, 1:59 PM
You sir, are the troll. Calling someone a liar about something that even the ITU can't define makes you one.
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RockTripod

Dec 19, 2010, 1:09 PM
The article states that 3G tech that gives better performance than pre-existing 3G tech can be considered to be 4G. So you can rant all you want about what is and isn't 4G, and call me a liar if you wish, but the ITU states that 4G doesn't have a clear definition. So how can anyone say what is and isn't 4G?
Besides, have some basic manners before you call anyone a liar. Just makes you look like a jack-hole.
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Azeron

Dec 19, 2010, 3:25 PM
If all the "common consumer" cares about speed and the speed is delivered by the companies...what exactly is the problem? 4G speeds is just marketing.
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Jayshmay

Dec 19, 2010, 3:56 PM
Yep, I am a consumer who doesn't work in the wireless industry and all I care about is speed. And I am hoping the big 4 get into a speed ware the next couple years! The more speed the better.
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eric_cartman

Dec 18, 2010, 12:59 PM
I'd rather they do the whole 'fastest 3g network' argument with AT&T.
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DiamondPro

Dec 18, 2010, 3:08 PM
That would have been much smarter move. But I think att could then invest a lil more in there current hspa+ operations and shut that argument down from tmobile fairly quick with a investment that matches or exceeds tmobiles current effort. But if att only has hspa 7.2mbs and they almost match tmobiles hspa+ 21mbs 2.08mbs to 2.4mbs what does that say about the speed difference in the 2 tech?
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djdanska

Dec 18, 2010, 8:05 PM
In both seattle, wa and in chicago, on my 3g hd2 and tmo dell mini netbook, i get 6.8Mbps down and 1.5Mbps up, all the time. And thats only on 3g. I can go a lot more with a HSPA+ data card. When i tested it out, i got 10Mbps-15Mbps down. Debating on getting one for my dell mini after xmas
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Jayshmay

Dec 19, 2010, 4:00 PM
Wow! Very, very impressive!!!
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jhr2112

Dec 19, 2010, 11:18 AM
The ITU can't make any of these companies conform to their standards, plus the American people don't care at all..Speed is all that is important to consumers and fewer dropped calls plus what are the coolest phones..If a customer asks me about 4g and the difference, I tell them T-mobile's system is THEIR 4th generation technology. Sprints WIMAX is their 4th generation technology. No one really asks these questions except the nerdy computer geeks when they come in to my shop and try to show off their knowledge..I usually tell them to leave...I sell all carriers so all I care about is selling the service that works the best for the customer and selling what gets returned the least.. There is no basis for any lawsuits because a carrier can show...
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