Verizon Working to Fix LTE Hand-Off Glitch, Add Mac Support
what a joke
30 plus markets at launch and you can't get that issue fixed? Way to not look at what Sprint did opening with 1 market to work bugs out. All you LTE supporters better jump ship to Metro, cause Verizon is showing thier LTE is an EPIC FAIL. Another reason why WIMAX is better.
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...there are those who are sticking with what they have and watching the show. Rev. A supported until 2020? I have time to see how things shake out.
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Why do we even care if it's LTE, WiMAX, or just plan 3G. When it all comes down to it, we only care about speed. Go with whomever is faster.
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I was speeding on the freeway today. A cop pulled me over and said "I clocked you doing 75" I said I woulda hit 90, but you stop me! You zipper head!
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Because it not just about speed! Att has the fastest 3g network... But we all know there reliability is terrible. Also price is another big factor for 4g or any g. Who wants to pay extra $$$ in overage fees when they start streaming netflix or youtube or putting those faster speeds to use?
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"Who wants to pay extra $$$ in overage fees when they start streaming netflix or youtube or putting those faster speeds to use?"
Price is a deterrent to doing those things.
Price is a deterrent to doing those things.
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But it wont stop you from paying them. Which is why Sprint has a clear advantage over there competitors because your not gonna have to pay overages just one set price for UNLIMITED 4G. 😎
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well not if u have sprint you have to pay a premium fee for 4g dont ya with tmobile you dont
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tmobile doesn't have 4g thats why. 🤣 Sprint doesn't charge extra for 3g so why would tmobile att or verizon? Sprint charges extra for 4g and I'm sure verizon and att will, once att get's a 4g network and they both get 4g phones. Right now they are both far behind Sprint in that regard and tmobile is none exsistant. tmobile will charge extra when they come out of the stone ages and start plans for lte.
The major drawback to tmobile is tmobile has clearly stated they will throttle your speeds after you reach 5gb of data. Which is not hard to met btw and Sprint's 4g will not.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/10/t-mobile-thro ... »
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The major drawback to tmobile is tmobile has clearly stated they will throttle your speeds after you reach 5gb of data. Which is not hard to met btw and Sprint's 4g will not.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/10/t-mobile-thro ... »
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At launch lte covers as many or more pops than wimax. Tmobiles "4g" covers 2x the number of pops (with limited sucess). Their hspa+ network is also showing competative speeds with wimax
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Are u on drugs?
Verizon does not have more lte coverage then Sprint Wimax! 🤨 You definitely are drinking to much big red kool-aid. Sprint has double the coverage verizon has with lte. 😎
Verizon does not have more lte coverage then Sprint Wimax! 🤨 You definitely are drinking to much big red kool-aid. Sprint has double the coverage verizon has with lte. 😎
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We've been over the difference between pops (population covered) and markets. I won't go over it again.
At launch, lte has 110 million pops covered. Clear said by the end of 2010 they hoped to have over 100 million. For someone who claims knowledge, you sure miss a lot
At launch, lte has 110 million pops covered. Clear said by the end of 2010 they hoped to have over 100 million. For someone who claims knowledge, you sure miss a lot
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Menno said:
We've been over the difference between pops (population covered) and markets. I won't go over it again.
At launch, lte has 110 million pops covered. Clear said by the end of 2010 they hoped to have over 100 million. For someone who claims knowledge, you sure miss a lot
Diamond...you were owned big time there 😳
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Actually NO.
Clear has over 100 million (103) and will have 120 million by years end.
And yes you are correct that there is a difference in pops and markets... pops can include airports which have no real "population".
Markets are actual cities with real people living there.
Verizon gets away with their inflated numbers because they can claim the pops of a market that they only have airport coverage.
Clear has over 100 million (103) and will have 120 million by years end.
And yes you are correct that there is a difference in pops and markets... pops can include airports which have no real "population".
Markets are actual cities with real people living there.
Verizon gets away with their inflated numbers because they can claim the pops of a market that they only have airport coverage.
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Please tell menno again because he still believes Verizon has more pop covered then Sprint!
I think its hilarious how verizon has to inflate there numbers by using airports. 🤣 Especially when Sprint covers airports with Wimax as well in over 68 markets and they are not counting them separately. 😎
I think its hilarious how verizon has to inflate there numbers by using airports. 🤣 Especially when Sprint covers airports with Wimax as well in over 68 markets and they are not counting them separately. 😎
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Sprint will have 120 million pops by the end of 2010 and has more coverage and better plans and devices then Verizon.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/4g-wireless-carr ... »
You should look at this chart it clearly tells you pops, speeds, devices, and pricing. According to the Chart Sprint has more pops, more devices, and better prices. This doesn't even include clears 3g/4g devices. Verizons only advantage is speed and we can see by tmobile speed numbers these can be faked or exaggerated!
So to sum thing up you were wrong about verizon having more pops and right now Sprint is leading the pack!
So for someone who claims to know alot you sure miss the important stuff and only drink the koo...
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http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/4g-wireless-carr ... »
You should look at this chart it clearly tells you pops, speeds, devices, and pricing. According to the Chart Sprint has more pops, more devices, and better prices. This doesn't even include clears 3g/4g devices. Verizons only advantage is speed and we can see by tmobile speed numbers these can be faked or exaggerated!
So to sum thing up you were wrong about verizon having more pops and right now Sprint is leading the pack!
So for someone who claims to know alot you sure miss the important stuff and only drink the koo...
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I was off by 20 million pops (estimated). You were off be more than double with your confusion of pops and markets.
Also, is sprint ACTIVE in all those markets already? I know that several big cities weren't flipping on until this month, and LTE went live December 5th.
And the numbers arn't faked, as every single tech site is reporting.
When they last published their intended numbers that I read (august) they said 100 million pops by end of the year. Good for them to push it up. Let's see where they both are in 6 months.
Also, is sprint ACTIVE in all those markets already? I know that several big cities weren't flipping on until this month, and LTE went live December 5th.
And the numbers arn't faked, as every single tech site is reporting.
When they last published their intended numbers that I read (august) they said 100 million pops by end of the year. Good for them to push it up. Let's see where they both are in 6 months.
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DiamondPro starts the Sprintproganda. Where's CamelTowing?-Cosmic Spiderman
DiamondPro said:
So the truth hurts? My bad 🤣
OMG Diamond...give up before we all die of laughter 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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You're not serious right?
So Sprint worked out how to fix their inconsistant signal strength and speed already? news to my brother who's using one of their modems.
The handoff was part of the initial spec. People are reporting it as a glitch, it isn't. They knew it would happen. They're just working on making the handoff faster, something that can ONLY be accomplished by testing it in multiple environments.
So Sprint worked out how to fix their inconsistant signal strength and speed already? news to my brother who's using one of their modems.
The handoff was part of the initial spec. People are reporting it as a glitch, it isn't. They knew it would happen. They're just working on making the handoff faster, something that can ONLY be accomplished by testing it in multiple environments.
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Please dumb it down for the Sprint fan boys because they can't comprehend 1st generation products will have an issue, that can be fixed very easily.
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famoussasjohn said:
Please dumb it down for the Sprint fan boys because they can't comprehend 1st generation products will have an issue, that can be fixed very easily.
You gotta be kidding me right?
You LTE fan boys have been bashing Sprint and WiMax since the whole 4G thing started and you guys really expect to run out of the restroom with your pants down and not get made fun of?
Get ready.
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I work for Sprint.
WiMax has had trouble getting the max speed once the towers have been turned on, and also penetrating buildings is an issue as well with WiMax. Those are the major complaints so far that I have been getting.
WiMax has had trouble getting the max speed once the towers have been turned on, and also penetrating buildings is an issue as well with WiMax. Those are the major complaints so far that I have been getting.
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famoussasjohn said:
I work for Sprint.
WiMax has had trouble getting the max speed once the towers have been turned on, and also penetrating buildings is an issue as well with WiMax. Those are the major complaints so far that I have been getting.
Thanks for sharing that. It's been said earlier that any new tech will have issues upon roll out 😁
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Funny that someone mentions Sprint Fanboys, and there shows CamelTowing 🤣
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DiamondPro said:
So that makes u a what? Verizon fangirl? 🤣
And this comment makes you...uh...well liked and respected on PhoneScoop? 🙄
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hey haven't see you in a while. but, at the same time I can say I never had anyone ever call and complain about that on my end.
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Sprint won't have a lot to fix with inconsistent WiMax signal considering it is Clears network.
LTE is just now finding its real world self, this is no longer a test room, so kinks will happen. EVDO to WiMax is about a 15 second hand off for me where I am sitting, so a several minute wait is kind of silly. Perhaps just part of authentication? Are the jumps from cellsite to cellsite just as bad?
Anyways people will complain about growing pains in a network even if it makes no sense what-so-ever.
LTE is just now finding its real world self, this is no longer a test room, so kinks will happen. EVDO to WiMax is about a 15 second hand off for me where I am sitting, so a several minute wait is kind of silly. Perhaps just part of authentication? Are the jumps from cellsite to cellsite just as bad?
Anyways people will complain about growing pains in a network even if it makes no sense what-so-ever.
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Menno,
Typically your posts show only a slight Verizon bias. Not admitting this as an epic fail shows severe Verizon bias.
Typically your posts show only a slight Verizon bias. Not admitting this as an epic fail shows severe Verizon bias.
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and again. Please name ANY first generation technology that didn't have handoff issues (or things equally as frustrating)?
The lack of mac support IS an epic fail. The handoff issue is not.
The lack of mac support IS an epic fail. The handoff issue is not.
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and again. Please name ANY first generation technology that didn't have handoff issues (or things equally as frustrating)?
The lack of mac support IS an epic fail. The handoff issue is not.
There were not GSM/UMTS handoff issues from ATT. MetroPCS never said they had this issue with LTE.... Sprint never said they had this issue with Wimax. If you have other sources that say otherwise I'm all ears fanboy.
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Sorry, Google is a free website open to all. If you don't know how to use it, that's your problem,
ATT didn't have the issue because they weren't on the initial generation of umts technology. The bugs were worked out elseware (mainly europe)
As for Metro, they launched with a phone, which, as others have stated, more than likely maintains a CDMA connection all the time (even while in LTE coverage). Verizon's LTE modems do not do this.
Sprint passes off all network woes onto Clearwire, and early tests of wimax mentioned significant connection issues, frequently lost signal, etc. Pretty sure those issues were enough to keep them busy instead of issues affecting an extreme minority of users like handoffs.
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ATT didn't have the issue because they weren't on the initial generation of umts technology. The bugs were worked out elseware (mainly europe)
As for Metro, they launched with a phone, which, as others have stated, more than likely maintains a CDMA connection all the time (even while in LTE coverage). Verizon's LTE modems do not do this.
Sprint passes off all network woes onto Clearwire, and early tests of wimax mentioned significant connection issues, frequently lost signal, etc. Pretty sure those issues were enough to keep them busy instead of issues affecting an extreme minority of users like handoffs.
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Sorry, Google is a free website open to all. If you don't know how to use it, that's your problem,
ATT didn't have the issue because they weren't on the initial generation of umts technology. The bugs were worked out elseware (mainly europe)
As for Metro, they launched with a phone, which, as others have stated, more than likely maintains a CDMA connection all the time (even while in LTE coverage). Verizon's LTE modems do not do this.
Sprint passes off all network woes onto Clearwire, and early tests of wimax mentioned significant connection issues, frequently lost signal, etc. Pretty sure those issues were enough to keep them busy instead of issues affecting an extreme minority of users like hand
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Yikes, you didn't google this 😳
I got 183,000 results typing in
"wimax connection issues lost signal"
183,000 individuals as you claim?
I got 183,000 results typing in
"wimax connection issues lost signal"
183,000 individuals as you claim?
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Menno, this is not an e-peen measuring contest, and I have nothing bad to say about LTE except it still isn't where I am, which is bad for consumers. So where I am WiMax is better, because it is here. Hard to argue with that in any case.
However; that still didn't answer the questions I did ask, about the authentication issue, also in to how they will resolve it. If I need to summon cellstudent, then I must...
However; that still didn't answer the questions I did ask, about the authentication issue, also in to how they will resolve it. If I need to summon cellstudent, then I must...
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I'm not a tower guy but:
Analog to Digital
UMTS to GSM
etc all had hard handoff issues.
Cellstudent might be able to give you the specifics, but calling this a fail because it's first gen tech doesn't make sense. Handoff issues are STANDARD for new tech, not some exception that no one saw.
Verizon knew handoff would be an issue, and there is no way to perfect this in the lab.
My brother has wimax, and he uses it for his primary internet. He enjoys it and it works for him, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have it's own issues. That's what I'm trying to say. Wimax has been out for OVER a year, so if you're handoff with it wasn't faster than something WOULD be wrong.
Analog to Digital
UMTS to GSM
etc all had hard handoff issues.
Cellstudent might be able to give you the specifics, but calling this a fail because it's first gen tech doesn't make sense. Handoff issues are STANDARD for new tech, not some exception that no one saw.
Verizon knew handoff would be an issue, and there is no way to perfect this in the lab.
My brother has wimax, and he uses it for his primary internet. He enjoys it and it works for him, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have it's own issues. That's what I'm trying to say. Wimax has been out for OVER a year, so if you're handoff with it wasn't faster than something WOULD be wrong.
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I agree, if you comb through all these you'll also notice that I haven't called anything an epic fail.
If they're not letting customers know this upfront, it might cause a small poop storm, but not many people in America will drive and surf the web at the same time. In metros where you may use public transport it may be a small problem, but it doesn't sound like it's hand-off related.
If they're not letting customers know this upfront, it might cause a small poop storm, but not many people in America will drive and surf the web at the same time. In metros where you may use public transport it may be a small problem, but it doesn't sound like it's hand-off related.
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So basically verizon gets a pass because previous tech had handoff issues? Spoken like a true fanboy. Sprint does not have 2min delays or lack of mac support verizon does so right now Sprint offers a better product at a much better price. 😎
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Sprint bipasses it by keeping wimax and 3g active all the time, the same as verizon will with their phones.
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That is incorrect for dongles and phones on Sprint.
Sprint Smart View cannot handle multiple connections, it gets pissed if you're plugged into a LAN as well, so that is patently false.
Sprint Smart View cannot handle multiple connections, it gets pissed if you're plugged into a LAN as well, so that is patently false.
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I know in our switch everything is verified by MAC ID, we use it in place of the DEC on CDMA handsets.
From what I've seen on the POST tests I've run it handles the connections very much individually, and may be able to keep both data connections running. But once WiMAX is found and connected, EVDO completely cuts off and 1X kicks in for voice activity only.
I think that since it's more or less WiFi on crack that might help with some of the authentication. I actually just fired an email off to one of our local network engineers asking him.
Either way I hope they get LTE chugging, eventually I think that's where Sprint will end up as well (after liquidating what assets we have in Clear) and then using the Network Vision rollout to us...
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From what I've seen on the POST tests I've run it handles the connections very much individually, and may be able to keep both data connections running. But once WiMAX is found and connected, EVDO completely cuts off and 1X kicks in for voice activity only.
I think that since it's more or less WiFi on crack that might help with some of the authentication. I actually just fired an email off to one of our local network engineers asking him.
Either way I hope they get LTE chugging, eventually I think that's where Sprint will end up as well (after liquidating what assets we have in Clear) and then using the Network Vision rollout to us...
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Caucasian said:
But once WiMAX is found and connected, EVDO completely cuts off and 1X kicks in for voice activity only.
Except in forthcoming SVDO chipsets, CDMA radios & EV-DO radios are not separate. They are two halves of one radio (the reason why no current devices can do 1X circuit switched voice and EV-DO packet switched data simultaneously) and can operate in three different modes: CDMA only, EV-DO only, or CDMA/EV-DO hybrid. The last is the default mode for EV-DO handsets, though, w/ access to debug mode, you can set your handset to CDMA only or EV-DO only -- the latter, of course, disables any voice calling.
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Sounds to me like Sprint has this problem all figured out and big red doesn't. Verizon needs to get off there arse and fixed this.
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They are fixing it. That's what the bleeping news post is about. Even other sprint fanboys know you're stupid when it comes to this stuff. You do more harm to sprint than help.
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It's True. DiamondPro and CamelTowing lower the quality of everything. Normally, I would reccomend Sprint to people who I think it would best serve, but the more posts I see from these 2 people(and I use that term loosely) the more I HATE Sprint. If you would just input on the things you know about versus doing your best to tear down everything you don't like, it would paint you and Sprint in a much better light. Instead, you make stupid comments like having a "fat paycheck" or things like that which just make you look that much more idiotic.
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...despite having a few aggressive users. Every carrier has these types. All in all...I want to see Sprint succeed.
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I want to see all carriers succeed. Competition creates better things for customers!
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Ironic that one of the biggest trolling fanboys on here targets two people who disagree with his highness.
You said it best...
YOU HATE SPRINT.
fact is... you hated Sprint BEFORE you ever heard my name fanboy.
But I do agree that I would make you hate Sprint more. You used to be able to bash on Sprint all day long now you got someone here who can tell you to go stuff yourself. Get over it.
Also ironic that when i defend myself from your insults(because you can't come up with a better argument) that you would be angry that I insulted you back.
Oh and Cosmic Spiderman was THE LAMEST Spiderman story of all friggin time. Howard the Duck was more credible.
You said it best...
YOU HATE SPRINT.
fact is... you hated Sprint BEFORE you ever heard my name fanboy.
But I do agree that I would make you hate Sprint more. You used to be able to bash on Sprint all day long now you got someone here who can tell you to go stuff yourself. Get over it.
Also ironic that when i defend myself from your insults(because you can't come up with a better argument) that you would be angry that I insulted you back.
Oh and Cosmic Spiderman was THE LAMEST Spiderman story of all friggin time. Howard the Duck was more credible.
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I never even knew about Sprint before Phonescoop! I was with AT&T and was planning on switching to Sprint basted off their commercials I'd seen. Then in March I started working in the industry. Now, after months of your comments, I tire of your constant idiocy and bragging and boasting. You agrue with PS Moderators like WiFiWavelength
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
And in both of these post you talk like everyone needs to know your resume. No one cares! You are also insulting everytime you talk on here! Calling people stupid!
Here, you are doing the same thing for Sprint that Menno did for VZW. Giving an explanation and callin...
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https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
And in both of these post you talk like everyone needs to know your resume. No one cares! You are also insulting everytime you talk on here! Calling people stupid!
Here, you are doing the same thing for Sprint that Menno did for VZW. Giving an explanation and callin...
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And that explains the step down from 4G to 3G, but the step up is still pretty speedy as well. I understand it never loses connectivity to CDMA, and from what I understand the only difference since it never loses that connection is the difference in latency because it still has to authenticate every time it disconnects and reconnects to EVDO since Sprint still does have plans active that are "Vision Only" with "Power Vision" phones attached.
But as far as the authentication on LTE it can't be *that* much more complicated than WiMAX, and Verizon is known for taking their network very seriously.
And while Verizon will figure that problem out, since it was an issue with the technology from the beginning I wonder how much of it can be fix...
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But as far as the authentication on LTE it can't be *that* much more complicated than WiMAX, and Verizon is known for taking their network very seriously.
And while Verizon will figure that problem out, since it was an issue with the technology from the beginning I wonder how much of it can be fix...
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Multiple devices on Sprint have lacked Mac support at launch (See: Sprint Smartview 2.4 Patch Log for details...)
And just because you think the value is better doesn't mean the consumer does, necessarily. Which if you've noticed is why we aren't stomping all over them.
And just because you think the value is better doesn't mean the consumer does, necessarily. Which if you've noticed is why we aren't stomping all over them.
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That doesn't change the fact that Sprint has full mac support now and Verizon doesn't. So if you need mac support Sprint is the way to go. Stop making excuses for verizon nobody is making excuses for Sprint so why should a much larger company with more cash on hand to IMPROVE services be given any? There is no excuse for not having mac support or a 2min hand-off. Verizon has had the same amount of time as Sprint to work on there networks and devices but Sprint is so much farther ahead which is why I believe they are the NowNetwork and verizon is the maybe one day network. 😎
And the reason Sprint is not stomping all over verizon is because verizon has a much better marketing team. They started marketing there Android phones as Droid's an...
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Alright, since you're obviously slow ill break this down for you.
Real world usage doesn't equate to network testing, so they haven't had the same amount of time. Also, refer to posts made by other sprint customers about how sprint had issues with mac on some of their devices at launch. Sprint fails because of thei marketing team and because their service simply does not work for a lot of customers.
Real world usage doesn't equate to network testing, so they haven't had the same amount of time. Also, refer to posts made by other sprint customers about how sprint had issues with mac on some of their devices at launch. Sprint fails because of thei marketing team and because their service simply does not work for a lot of customers.
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I'm trying to find a happy medium in the middle of things. I think even Dan Hesse would agree that while Sprint should be happy with our improvements, we've got a LONG way to go before patting ourselves on the back.
That being said; I can take a picture and send it to you right now of the 5 (five) iPhones, 2 Droid Pros, and 1 Nexus we've bought back today alone. I wouldn't call Sprint fail, because they're part of the reason that Verizon is even having to try to compete. Competition drives the carriers to better the offering to the consumers.
That being said; I can take a picture and send it to you right now of the 5 (five) iPhones, 2 Droid Pros, and 1 Nexus we've bought back today alone. I wouldn't call Sprint fail, because they're part of the reason that Verizon is even having to try to compete. Competition drives the carriers to better the offering to the consumers.
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Verizon doesn't pay them for it, Motorola does. Motorola makes Droids. If Verizon was paying for it, ALL of the Verizon Android phones would be called Droids. HTC has the Eris and the Incredible. LG has the Vortex, Ally, and Citrus. Samsung has the Fascinate and the Continuum. MOTOROLA had the DROID, DROID 2, DROID X and the DROID PRO. I tried to keep this simple for you. Hope it Helped.
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Cosmic Spiderman said:
Verizon doesn't pay them for it, Motorola does. Motorola makes Droids. If Verizon was paying for it, ALL of the Verizon Android phones would be called Droids. HTC has the Eris and the Incredible.
Actually, the Eris & Incredible are both branded as DROIDs. So, either HTC as well as Motorola has a license w/ Lucasfilm or VZW has the license and decides which devices carry the DROID banner.
AJ
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Ill try to keep this simple. You were wrong and I was right. Verizon is the one that pays licensing fees not motorola. 😎
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181137 ... »
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That I was wrong and DiamonPro was right.
I want to thank both WiFi and Epik for responding in a mature and professional manner.
I want to thank DiamondPro for proving my point in a post to his boyfriend, CamelTowing, that it's not what is said, it's HOW it is said. 😳
I want to thank both WiFi and Epik for responding in a mature and professional manner.
I want to thank DiamondPro for proving my point in a post to his boyfriend, CamelTowing, that it's not what is said, it's HOW it is said. 😳
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Awwww did I hurt your feelings 😢 ... I would have said it in a professional manner but your post are anything but professional
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Again...you are just pathetic now. Gotta have the last word all the time. Didn't hurt my feelings, I was just hoping better from you eventually...oh well... 😕
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Only problem is, my Incredible is known as the "DROID INCREDIBLE by HTC." And the Eris was called the "DROID ERIS."
I guess the next HTC Android on Verizon will confirm that both Motorola and HTC use the DROID name.
And after this post, I owe George Lucas fifteen cents for using the word "DROID." Oops... twenty cents.
I guess the next HTC Android on Verizon will confirm that both Motorola and HTC use the DROID name.
And after this post, I owe George Lucas fifteen cents for using the word "DROID." Oops... twenty cents.
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As a somewhat impartial observer I can tell you that every network has glitches like this from time to time.
As for sprint's network being "far ahead" I don't agree.
They picked out a niche technology because it was ready before LTE was.
HSPA+ is faster than wimax and it's a 3G standard, so AT&T, T-mobile and Verizon all have faster deployments than wimax right now. Although only t-mobile has phones that support the newest upgrades at the moment.
Any headstart sprint has over verizon on rolling out 4G will disappear quickly because verizon has money to finance their upgrade and sprint does not.
As for sprint's network being "far ahead" I don't agree.
They picked out a niche technology because it was ready before LTE was.
HSPA+ is faster than wimax and it's a 3G standard, so AT&T, T-mobile and Verizon all have faster deployments than wimax right now. Although only t-mobile has phones that support the newest upgrades at the moment.
Any headstart sprint has over verizon on rolling out 4G will disappear quickly because verizon has money to finance their upgrade and sprint does not.
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I think is more of the casting time than the lvl. He hasn't shown up yet. 😳
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Menno said:
your wimax handoff also had over a YEAR to work itself out.
That's odd... do you have thge public news article that pointed out the Wimax handoff issue? I'll be here waiting for it...
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Your argument makes no sense. Now all of a sudden wimax has had a year to work itself out really? That's the best you got? Lte has had the same amount of time to work itself out and also considering Verizon is the carrier releasing lte better funding. Verizon's recent profit and the millions verizon has made by ripping off its customers make this type of issues unacceptable IMO. I never heard any of that 1 gen networks need time to work out kinks when Sprint was working hard to roll out there Wimax network. All I heard was lte supporters bashing Wimax and saying lte is gonna be so... much better obviously that's not true. But now all of a sudden big red is going through what Sprint did with there roll out you trolls wanna make excuses :lol...
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Verizon is one of the first companies with lte in the world. They've had weeks to work on it. Real world doesn't equal test senerios. Please tell me how lte isn't better? Handoff is a minor issue for most customers. It also won't be an issue with smartphones because like wimax phones, it will keep both 3g and 4g active at the same time.
Please at least research wimax. You should at least educate yourself about your own service.
Please at least research wimax. You should at least educate yourself about your own service.
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As I stated to another post, phones with WiMAX and EVDO capabilities completely drop their EVDO connection when 4G connects. They will reconnect to 3g if the 4G Connection drops, and only in that situation. They do remain attached to 1XRTT, but it is not for data transmission, only voice. This and WIFI is the only way that that Sprint phones can currently carry a data session while on a call.
You can completely terminate the 3G data session and 4G will remain active.
If you disconnect, for whatever reason, from the 4G network it takes about 15 seconds to reestablish a connection.
You can completely terminate the 3G data session and 4G will remain active.
If you disconnect, for whatever reason, from the 4G network it takes about 15 seconds to reestablish a connection.
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Its seems evident you are the one who needs to do more research. 😎 And which do you want me to explain is not very Clear just like most of your post are. Do you want me to explain how Wimax is better than Lte or how Sprints 4g is better than Verizons 4g? 🤨
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I'd like to see you provide PROOF that WiMax is better than LTE with measurable facts. Not your opinion and biased slant and why it is better for you. 😳
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I'd like to see you provide PROOF that WiMax is better than LTE with measurable facts. Not your opinion and biased slant and why it is better for you. 😳
My vote is that he is really Dan Hess's lovechild 🤣
I know..cheap shot, but I don't really feel like scum saying it 🤣
seriously...you will get no proof from him 🙄
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Considering you can't do either, I don't want to see you give yourself a headache trying.
Both technologies are in their infancy. It's a bit early to call one "superior"
And that term is subjective. LTE is "Superior" because a lot of major companies are switching to it. Wimax is "Superior" because it's currently allowing unlimited data rates, etc.
Both technologies are in their infancy. It's a bit early to call one "superior"
And that term is subjective. LTE is "Superior" because a lot of major companies are switching to it. Wimax is "Superior" because it's currently allowing unlimited data rates, etc.
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and you're replying to what exactly?
major companies of what? of LTE?
Tmobile, Vodaphone (one of the largest companies in the world), ATT, Verizon, Bell, Rogers, MetroPCS, Telus, Cox, Telecom italia mobile, KPN, etc.
considering how things in the the EU work, it's a sure bet that with Vodaphone and t-mobile behind LTE it will be available in every EU country.
I'm fully aware that wimax has been adopted by quite a few carriers as well, but few (if any) of them have the clout of those listed above.
major companies of what? of LTE?
Tmobile, Vodaphone (one of the largest companies in the world), ATT, Verizon, Bell, Rogers, MetroPCS, Telus, Cox, Telecom italia mobile, KPN, etc.
considering how things in the the EU work, it's a sure bet that with Vodaphone and t-mobile behind LTE it will be available in every EU country.
I'm fully aware that wimax has been adopted by quite a few carriers as well, but few (if any) of them have the clout of those listed above.
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Please name the major companies? & anything I asked u to do I can very easily
This is something you as an...ehh...expert should be able to do as well 🙄
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Its seems evident you are the one who needs to do more research. 😎 And which do you want me to explain is not very Clear just like most of your post are. Do you want me to explain how Wimax is better than Lte or how Sprints 4g is better than Verizons 4g? 🤨
Diamond...this post says nothing, contributes nothing, and is nothing. shewww 😲
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Signal strength on wimax is not inconsistent. Any spot I get Wimax coverage I get 7 days a week. And I have a lot more options to choose from then 2 measly usb dongles. 🤣
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You are one customer. You more than likely don't travel everywhere they have signal. You worship wimax, we get it. It doesn't give you an excuse to know nothing about the technology, mucvh less its competitors
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You are one customer. You more than likely don't travel everywhere they have signal. You worship wimax, we get it.
I travel everywhere in my city they have signal and they have done an amazing job with Speed and reliability. I've also done research on other markets as well and lets just say they all can hit Sprints advertised speeds tmobile cannot make that claim and until verizon gets some actually users on there network neither can they.
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It doesn't give you an excuse to know nothing about the technology, mucvh less its competitors
This part of your comment makes no sense. I know just as much if not more about Wimax and lte then you do. I a...
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I travel everywhere in my city they have signal and they have done an amazing job with Speed and reliability. I've also done research on other markets as well and lets just say they all can hit Sprints advertised speeds tmobile cannot make that claim and until verizon gets some actually users on there network neither can they.
This part of your comment makes no sense. I know just as much if not more about Wimax and lte then you do. I always keep my options open and trust me if Verizon gets better then Sprint I would switch in a heartbeat. Same goes for Att and Tmobile but right now the best overall carrier in the US is Sprint! 😎
I guess you are making progress 😕
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You know nothing about either technology. This is shown by everytime you open your mouth cellstuden, wiwavelength or another tower tech poimts out your statements as patently false.
You're comments are ALWAYS pro sprint and anti everything else. In fact, you go out of your way to bash other companies even if the topic has nothing to do with wimax or sprint. Don't call yourself objective.
And I do know more about lte than you (and more than likely wimax) and I've shown this multiple times before this, which even people who disagree with me, like slammer will attest to.
You're a sprint troll. End of story.
You're comments are ALWAYS pro sprint and anti everything else. In fact, you go out of your way to bash other companies even if the topic has nothing to do with wimax or sprint. Don't call yourself objective.
And I do know more about lte than you (and more than likely wimax) and I've shown this multiple times before this, which even people who disagree with me, like slammer will attest to.
You're a sprint troll. End of story.
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You know nothing about either technology.
I know that Wimax stands for Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access and Lte stands for Long Term Evolution and both are faster then evdo rev A. So that statement is false.
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This is shown by everytime you open your mouth cellstuden, wiwavelength or another tower tech poimts out your statements as patently false.
The only person who has argued with anything I said is cellstudent and he has only disagreed with what I said never stated my comments are false.
I would bet some serious $$$ you don't know more about the combined technologies then I do. Ill give you some easy questions and see ho...
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I would bet some serious $$$ you don't know more about the combined technologies then I do.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Time and time again, you come into forums with the sole intent of disruption and litle if anything to back up your outrageous (although funny 🤣 ) statements.
Ever thought about a career in politics? or is your school break almost over?
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Max speeds don't matter. Seriously they don't. WHen you're talking a consumer technology, theoretical speeds are about as usful as telling grandma shutin that she can talk to over 90 million people as part of her in-calling network.
I will tell you that expected average download speeds are between 5-10mb/s, expected upload between 2-5mb/s and an average ping of 100ms. Bursts can be much higher and speeds will increase as clearwire stop's throttling them.
The second answer is river canyon wireless.
Both questions are meaningless. They're facts. They have next to no meaning for average customers or to the benefits and costs of each technology.
I will tell you that expected average download speeds are between 5-10mb/s, expected upload between 2-5mb/s and an average ping of 100ms. Bursts can be much higher and speeds will increase as clearwire stop's throttling them.
The second answer is river canyon wireless.
Both questions are meaningless. They're facts. They have next to no meaning for average customers or to the benefits and costs of each technology.
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It's amazing that VZW call center employees think they know more about technology than anyone else.
I've been in the wireless industry since 1992. I currently work in a lab working with BOTH TDD-LTE and WiMax...
If you are smart... that tells you where I might work.
I have yet to see anyone on here...cellstudent included that is as smart as they claim. If Im not mistaken, I shut him down rather quickly with "back up your statements using the scientific method".
I've been in the wireless industry since 1992. I currently work in a lab working with BOTH TDD-LTE and WiMax...
If you are smart... that tells you where I might work.
I have yet to see anyone on here...cellstudent included that is as smart as they claim. If Im not mistaken, I shut him down rather quickly with "back up your statements using the scientific method".
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Signal strength on wimax is not inconsistent. Any spot I get Wimax coverage I get 7 days a week. And I have a lot more options to choose from then 2 measly usb dongles. 🤣
Yikes! 😲 You just shot whatever credibility you had right there. Any network, even your almightly Sprint has its troubles implementing "4G"
Those that expect no problems are fooling themselves.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9191919/Sprin ... »
Computerworld - CHICAGO -- Sprint Nextel lost some potential customers due to spotty WiMax coverage in markets where it was first deployed, a Sprint official admitted Tuesday.
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I guess you don't know the difference between spotty and inconsistent are. You lost all credibility right there. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
There is a big difference! 🙂
spotty means lack of coverage for example if I go home I get almost no signal but if I go to the park I have full bars
Inconsistent means if I get signal at the park on Monday but then don't get signal on Tuesday that's inconsistent. Or if I get signal if I place my phone on my desk and then the next day I place it in the same spot and get no service that's inconsistent.
So if a phone or device does not get signal in the same spot it had signal before that's inconsistent. Sprint's 4g is very consistent and if you got 4g there once you will get 4g there again a...
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There is a big difference! 🙂
spotty means lack of coverage for example if I go home I get almost no signal but if I go to the park I have full bars
Inconsistent means if I get signal at the park on Monday but then don't get signal on Tuesday that's inconsistent. Or if I get signal if I place my phone on my desk and then the next day I place it in the same spot and get no service that's inconsistent.
So if a phone or device does not get signal in the same spot it had signal before that's inconsistent. Sprint's 4g is very consistent and if you got 4g there once you will get 4g there again a...
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First you claim there were no problems with Sprint's roll out...
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
Then when someone calls you on it, you argue verbage? You now are doing what you claim the "VZW Fanboys" do. You refuse to admit that Sprint as all companies have problems when new tech is rolled out.
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff= ... »
Then when someone calls you on it, you argue verbage? You now are doing what you claim the "VZW Fanboys" do. You refuse to admit that Sprint as all companies have problems when new tech is rolled out.
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I'd say that was a huge difference in issues actually.
Coverage is actually something that is taken care of through trial and error througout the market rollout.
Handoff issues should have been taken care of BEFORE the rollout happened. Handoffs are something that should be fixed in a lab or in a closed trial.
C'mon man, ask your trainer! He probably knows that too.
And the article even stated that the issue was not NO coverage but spotty coverage.
Congrats! Once again, your thinking and your comment=FAIL!
Keep playing, you're sure to win one eventually! 🙂
It amazes me that you have trolled my name just over the simple fact that I dared say that it(handoff) was a problem for Verizon. I never once have said verizon was a bad company...
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Coverage is actually something that is taken care of through trial and error througout the market rollout.
Handoff issues should have been taken care of BEFORE the rollout happened. Handoffs are something that should be fixed in a lab or in a closed trial.
C'mon man, ask your trainer! He probably knows that too.
And the article even stated that the issue was not NO coverage but spotty coverage.
Congrats! Once again, your thinking and your comment=FAIL!
Keep playing, you're sure to win one eventually! 🙂
It amazes me that you have trolled my name just over the simple fact that I dared say that it(handoff) was a problem for Verizon. I never once have said verizon was a bad company...
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People blow up your comments because your a self-important asshole. It has nothing to do with what position you support. If you were pro verizon (or any other company) and had the same attitude myself and others would STILL call you an asshole.
As for spotty and inconsistent coverage. Read ANY initial hands-on/review of wimax. They ALL mention fluctuating signal, random drops, and really spotty coverage, even in downtown areas.
And a handoff is HOW important? No. You tell me. As a CONSUMER. What's more important? Having coverage predictably where you need it, or the ability to quickly switch between 3g and 4g while moving (how many customers will do this compared to the number of customers who remain stationary)
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As for spotty and inconsistent coverage. Read ANY initial hands-on/review of wimax. They ALL mention fluctuating signal, random drops, and really spotty coverage, even in downtown areas.
And a handoff is HOW important? No. You tell me. As a CONSUMER. What's more important? Having coverage predictably where you need it, or the ability to quickly switch between 3g and 4g while moving (how many customers will do this compared to the number of customers who remain stationary)
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It's not a "minority of users" when it makes the national news.
And again, you choose to insult me. And again, it's the pot calling the kettle black. You are one of the most self important posters I have EVER SEEN ON ANY FORUM. Your posts are a clinic on self importance. You think you are the only person with a valid opinion. You may very well be... but guess what? You opinions mean jack squat compared to science and facts.
And I promise you son, you would NOT call me that to my face. I guess owning a blog makes you think you are a man.
And again, you choose to insult me. And again, it's the pot calling the kettle black. You are one of the most self important posters I have EVER SEEN ON ANY FORUM. Your posts are a clinic on self importance. You think you are the only person with a valid opinion. You may very well be... but guess what? You opinions mean jack squat compared to science and facts.
And I promise you son, you would NOT call me that to my face. I guess owning a blog makes you think you are a man.
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I don't own a blog. In fact, I've NEVER mentioned I had a blog or posted on one in discussions with you.
And the number of users has NOTHING to do with what makes national news. If a story will get page views/viewers it makes the news.
"Verizon's shiny new network has a glitch" is guaranteed to get people's attention, so people talk about it.
I don't have the only valid opinion. In fact, there are several people on here who are significantly more informed than I am when it comes to tower technology, or how sprint works or even how Verizon works. Most of them know how to present their opinions in a rational manner, so I can respond in kind.
As others have shown countless times over, even when someone goes and digs up ALL the ...
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And the number of users has NOTHING to do with what makes national news. If a story will get page views/viewers it makes the news.
"Verizon's shiny new network has a glitch" is guaranteed to get people's attention, so people talk about it.
I don't have the only valid opinion. In fact, there are several people on here who are significantly more informed than I am when it comes to tower technology, or how sprint works or even how Verizon works. Most of them know how to present their opinions in a rational manner, so I can respond in kind.
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I don't gloss over anything. But when I asked you to prove your point with facts about all these handoff problems that other carriers are having, someone came up with a battery issue on a Samsung LTE phone. Sorry man that just doesn't cut it.
I don't think it's too much to ask when you make a blanket statement to at least have a link to a source to back up what you are saying.
Again, you will be hard pressed to see me bashing a carrier or a technology. What you WILL see is me talking about the advantages over one or another. ie price plans and phones for carriers, speeds and latency for technologies.
What you will also see is me not putting up with nonsense statements from haters who can't back up what they are saying.
I don't think it's too much to ask when you make a blanket statement to at least have a link to a source to back up what you are saying.
Again, you will be hard pressed to see me bashing a carrier or a technology. What you WILL see is me talking about the advantages over one or another. ie price plans and phones for carriers, speeds and latency for technologies.
What you will also see is me not putting up with nonsense statements from haters who can't back up what they are saying.
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and again, look up initial analog to digital handoffs.. (if you were IN the wireless industry as long as you claim, you should know this one)
or look at initial UMTS trials.
The metroPCS phone was shown because someone mentioned that it didn't have the handoff issues. This is because it keeps cdma and lte on at the same time.
I did back it up. And you've clearly shown that posting links for you is a waste of time because you refuse to acknowledge them.
or look at initial UMTS trials.
The metroPCS phone was shown because someone mentioned that it didn't have the handoff issues. This is because it keeps cdma and lte on at the same time.
I did back it up. And you've clearly shown that posting links for you is a waste of time because you refuse to acknowledge them.
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and again, look up initial analog to digital handoffs.. (if you were IN the wireless industry as long as you claim, you should know this one)
or look at initial UMTS trials.
The metroPCS phone was shown because someone mentioned that it didn't have the handoff issues. This is because it keeps cdma and lte on at the same time.
I did back it up. And you've clearly shown that posting links for you is a waste of time because you refuse to acknowledge them.
OMG!!!
Ok, man. Your credibility just got flushed like Gramma's leftover chili.
Having the LTE radio and the CDMA radio active at the same time have NOTHING TO DO WITH NETWORK HANDOFFS!
The handoffs are handled at the network level...
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Originally, there was an announcement that said there was a problem with the "hand-off", but that Verizon was working on it. Suddenly, there were posts talking about how bad that was for Verizon to do that. Menno offered a reasonable and well mannered response, not necessarily in defense, but to say that there are always glitches when rolling out new tech. He even stated that it wasn a big deal from a consummers prospective being that the only devices being used were USB dongles. Since most people would be SITTING somewhere using their laptop, the odds of them moving in and out of that 4G network was quite a bit smaller than when cellphones will be involved. He DID call you a fool for making it into a major big deal. It's not a big deal whe...
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I guess you don't know the difference between spotty and inconsistent are. You lost all credibility right there. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
There is a big difference! 🙂
spotty means lack of coverage for example if I go home I get almost no signal but if I go to the park I have full bars
Inconsistent means if I get signal at the park on Monday but then don't get signal on Tuesday that's inconsistent. Or if I get signal if I place my phone on my desk and then the next day I place it in the same spot and get no service that's inconsistent.
So if a phone or device does not get signal in the same spot it had signal before that's inconsistent. Sprint's 4g is very consistent and if you got 4g the
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