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well said!!!! 🙂

I agree, speed matters more than generation of technology. Next year Tmo is upgrgrading to HSPA+ 42mb/s. And of course only real world speeds count, but still, Tmo's 3G technology will probably be equivalent to or slightly better than Verizon's LTE and definetly better than Sprint/Clear's WiMax.

I'm lookingt forward to speed wars!!! 🙂

I am too, but what I hate is the lying to customers who don't know any better. Sprint is telling people to pay an extra $10 for 4G when you could get the same speed from AT&T and T-Mobile for no additional cost.

Yeah well AT&T refuses to carry any respectable Android smartphones that aren't a laughing joke. So if someone wants a real Android smartphone, they would have to go to another carrier. If someone wanted the Epic (me, but I'm under contract with Verizon), or the Evo they'd have to go to Sprint.

Jay, The Captivate is basically the same class of phone as the Epic. Sans real KB, of which, I think it great.

Epic = keyboard + Wimax = better!

True! 😎

Plus:
Front Facing Camera
Camera Flash
Mobile hotspot

Yeah, if I weren't under contract with Verizon, I'd get the Epic in a heartbeat. Best keyboard on the market.

It sure will be interesting to see what's going on with all 4 national carriers this time next year. My contract won't be up for quite a while.

Jayshmay said:
Epic = keyboard + Wimax = better!

Thats IF you get Wmax.

Well there is something like 54 marketsw with WiMax.

Oh yeah and you can wifi tether with the Epic, and Sprint doesn't play games with people when it comes to data. Like charging for some damn near nothing data.

Sprint's service is far, far more useful.

The Captivate is a joke. I own the Epic and for my phone to be compared to the Captivate is offensive and Blasphemy.This phone offers a Keyboard, Flash for your camera, the ability to use it as a hot spot and so much more. So ATT can take their capped data and horrible calling network and shove it. 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁

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I am in the understanding that of all the S series handsets, ATT's variant is locked further down than the others. We can all speculate why.

ATT catering to Apple, is the weak link in offering a better Android experience to their subscribers. Android may be less polished than ios, but ATT likes to contribute their offering in making sure it is a worse experience vs their flagship device.

John B.

really? when was the last time you hit 10mbps down on a att or tmobile phone. Also your a jackass if you think that at&ts service is cheaper than sprint.

I haev an evo 4g and anytime i pick up the 4g signal the slowest speed i ever get is 4mbps down. When i have full strength -- i get closer to 8-10mbps down. These are real tests, not guestimates of what to expect when verizon rolls out their LTE.

So tell me again - which phone does at&T have that can get 10mbps down right now, and also why dont you do some research you jackass and realize with sprint you can get unlimited everything including 4g for $79.99 a month, the only thing not unlimited being landline calls -- which noone uses anymore anyway -- which you would still have 450 ...
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Great point some of these fanboys and girls don't actually look at the real world results only what the carrier tells them to expect. Sprints network is the most reliable and most advanced. 😎

Seems, CNET, Android Central, BGR and Engadget hasn't been able to get your speeds either, so I guess you special.

Once emerging new ideas, programs and applications designed specifically for the capacity of the new networks culminate, Speed will NOT be the only deciding factor in service.

While speed may currently be the only interest of many at this point, we must look to the very near future. That is the progression and purpose of evolution. HSPA+ and its speeds will falter under this rapid progression. HSPA+ is a bandaid for time.

If ATT thought that HSPA+ and speed was sufficient, why should they even move to LTE?

John B

I suppose LTE woulde be for more capoacity, right? More so than HSPA+?

LTE will offer a lot more capacity.

Why does everyone think that T-mobile wont build out lte?

Not that they won't. They just haven't announced plans to do so. While all other national carriers have announced plans.

yah well they havent officially announced it, thats true. They've just hinted.

Might be do to spectrum.

The towers are only going to handle so much throughput. Being a networking major, this makes alot more sense to me. You can only multiplex so much over a given radio frequency for packet data. If you have 1000 people on a 1gb/s node, those 1000 people are only going to see 1mb/s real time. If it's just ONE person, then they will, in theory (albeit, the devices will never acheve a gigabit without VERY expensive equipment) acheve that speed. When Tmo talks about doing thier hspa+ speed tests (with phones that no one but maybe rich brome, and other MAJOR insiders have) They're going to see that faster speed. The epic and evo have been out for some time, not to mention the various other mifi devices are going to drain on the network. So 3 device...
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ElTriste said:
The towers are only going to handle so much throughput. Being a networking major, this makes alot more sense to me. You can only multiplex so much over a given radio frequency for packet data. If you have 1000 people on a 1gb/s node, those 1000 people are only going to see 1mb/s real time.

Wow, are you in an EE program somewhere or just studying "networking" at ITT Tech? Your analysis gives no credit to the core practice of cell splitting or sector division.

Operating under the two constraints that new towers cannot be built and that backhaul cannot be improved, this might be correct.

However, neither one of those constraints is valid in modern deployments.

You couldn't be more wrong!

Sprint wimax blows past tmobile 3g hspa+ like its no tommorow. I cant tell you how many people have finally admitted tmobile hspa+ is slower a lot slower than Sprints wimax! Tmobile network is also trash and they have tons of dropped calls on there junk network!

You do realize that phones are JUST coming out that can take advantage of the HSPA+ speeds right? you're most likely talking to people using Tmobiles 7.2 networks.

Ironically, AT&T is the company that started this generational crap with the iPhone 3G. I rarely, if ever, had to talk about the generational labels until they brought it up.

WiWavelength said:
For several reasons, I have no problem w/ Sprint and soon VZW calling current WiMAX and LTE deployments 4G... Both WiMAX & LTE satisfy two requirements of a 4G network: a new OFDMA based airlink and an all IP network protocol. The third requirement -- downlink speed -- is a specious one that can easily be gamed, hence should not be taken seriously.

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So, 4G should be defined by its airlink scheme and network protocol, possibly other tangible considerations, but not speed. Theoretical speed is easy to create on paper but oft does not translate to real world speed. And real world speed of 100 Mbps per user is practically a pipe dream that will not be accomplished in the marketplace anytime soo

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CellStudent said:
If the definition has to be changed to meet the label, I'm OK with that, but the ITU is responsible for the change in nomenclature, not you or I.

I fully accept (and expect) that 100Mbps mobile downlinks may never exist.

Yes, the ITU "out kicked its coverage" on the 4G definition. To me, the OFDMA airlink, all IP network is enough of a paradigm shift to warrant the 4G nomenclature. Of course, the irony in the latter half of that statement is that WiMAX & LTE deployments are apt to rely on circuit switched fallback (CSFB) for voice for years to come.

Regardless, as you say, neither you nor I am the ITU. Rather, I just think that I know better than the ITU sometimes.

🙂

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I totally agree I'm sick and tired of people coming in and asking about our 4g network and saying that tmo already has one. I have to break the reality to them and let them know that in our area they shouldn't expect a 4g network till mid 2012