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It should work both ways...

TDBearCT

Nov 11, 2010, 9:10 AM
... if Sprint does not want to pay Clearwire a service fee for the 4G phones it sells, then Sprint should not charge people the 4G access fee if they do not access the 4G network with their phones.

Fair is fair.
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land of the free phone

Nov 11, 2010, 9:11 AM
I agree, but with the money Sprint loses on the plans every month, you got to make it up somewhere.
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Ask The Shack

Nov 11, 2010, 9:19 AM
Bro, if you seriously think Sprint is losing money on their plans, then you need to go back to school.

Buisness 101. If you sell a product for less then you buy it for, you're going out of buisness pretty quickly.

You honestly think that Sprint getting every subscriber for between $50 and $100 between voice and data are losing money? Sure, if you believe that, I got a bridge I wanna sell ya....
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acdc1a

Nov 11, 2010, 9:46 AM
Sprint has high overhead and things such as a 4G network build out aren't helping things.

They most certainly don't lose money on their rate plans. Look at MetroPCS as an example. It costs them around $17 per customer per month to operate. Anything above that is profit. I'm sure Sprint is much more top-heavy than that, but it gives you an idea of what it costs to provide service.
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Kayslay34

Nov 11, 2010, 2:19 PM
From what i remember sprints is around 29 a customer.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 10:10 AM
TDBearCT said:
... if Sprint does not want to pay Clearwire a service fee for the 4G phones it sells, then Sprint should not charge people the 4G access fee if they do not access the 4G network with their phones.

Fair is fair.



Sprint does NOT charge for "4G"...
The $10 charge is for Premium Data charges.
Those devices are designed to use extra large amounts of data.... Even on a 3G network. You are not paying for 4G you are paying because those devices use 10x the amount of data that normal devices use...
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 10:30 AM
please explain how an evo can use more data on 3G than say a blackberry on 3G....
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Joshmo

Nov 11, 2010, 10:38 AM
tmorep03 said:
please explain how an evo can use more data on 3G than say a blackberry on 3G....


flawless victory.
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SublimeDavid

Nov 11, 2010, 10:42 AM
Not necessarily, Blackberries get compressed images etc from the BB server so the files are smaller which is why youll have similar loading times for BB's for images and webpages, it doesnt do that for when videos are going through though so in that aspect they should use the same amount of data. Hes partially right but wrong also. 😎
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jmalo

Nov 11, 2010, 12:44 PM
Blackberries also send and receive service books which are mandatory for the device to work correctly. I'm sure that makes up for the difference, if any, in the size of the MMS.

Also the difference between a 15kb MMS and 30kb MMS doesn't equal 10x more data usage 🤣
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Thales

Nov 11, 2010, 1:43 PM
Last time I checked the Evo can play flash files in the browser... In fact, I like to hit up Fox.com and catch up on House during down time. Then there's streaming video with Qik, sending HD pictures and video, widgets continually sending and receiving information... So, tell me how my Tour used more data?

-fin
Thales
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SublimeDavid

Nov 11, 2010, 3:00 PM
theoretically they could consume that much data as well but obviously it would take much more time and effort and you would probably have to be trying. Ive owned both and my usage on blackberries was always under 200 mb's with heavy emailing and moderate web browsing.
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Jayshmay

Nov 12, 2010, 3:05 AM
It all depends on the user.
I don't have home internet, or cable tv, so I use my Motorola Droid more than some people.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 10:46 AM
Joshmo said:


flawless victory.




Except that your input method is wrong so the solution you came up with is wrong. :/

The Evo and Epic run MANY more web intensive apps and also have Video calling. When you watch youtube and similar videos on your blackberry they are compressed mobile versions(thats why it says some are not available for the device) however The Evo and Epic have full web browsers and streaming video capabilities.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 10:42 AM
Video calling
/discussion
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DiamondPro

Nov 12, 2010, 3:08 PM
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

Good answer!

Youtube and mms both use more data on the Evo as well
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 10:46 AM
still its totally bs for them to be charging you 10dollars extra for something you dont have access to....
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 10:48 AM
tmorep03 said:
still its totally bs for them to be charging you 10dollars extra for something you dont have access to....



you have access to everything except the speed...
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 10:57 AM
soo the customer pays 10extra for speed they dont get...you cant say that the video calling is going to warrant an extra charge...if video calling uses so much data why doesnt tmobile charge 10bucks extra for the mytouch 4G
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 11:15 AM
It would help if Tmobile had a 4G phone... They don't. They use a 3G network that has a higher latency. Wimax (and LTE for that matter) have very low latency networks(which is the big distinction NOT speed).
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 11:20 AM
you cant say sprint has a 4g network..either..yes they are using wimax which can reach the speeds required to be 4g but they dont have that capabillity.
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 11:21 AM
capabillity at this time
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 11:34 AM
tmorep03 said:
you cant say sprint has a 4g network..either..yes they are using wimax which can reach the speeds required to be 4g but they dont have that capabillity.



They already meet the capability... with speeds AND latency. Please do more research
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 11:44 AM
let me think here last article i read from phonescoop that tested the wimax network and hspa + said that hspa+ outperformed wimax.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 11:58 AM
tmorep03 said:
let me think here last article i read from phonescoop that tested the wimax network and hspa + said that hspa+ outperformed wimax.



No it said the speeds matched... Unfortunately they DID not test latency.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 12:29 PM
tmorep03 said:
let me think here last article i read from phonescoop that tested the wimax network and hspa + said that hspa+ outperformed wimax.



Again... 4G is defined by LATENCY + speed... Not just Speed alone. ATT has the exact same network with a LARGER footprint... They don't call it 4G and they were the pioneers of the GSM Evolution to HSPA... ATT says that the technology they(and Tmobile) use IS NOT 4G. ATT says that LTE and Wimax are 4G. I read the article... it says SOMETIMES outperformed. But again... Latency is the BIG point. I dare you to play Call of Duty Black Ops on your Tmobile "4G" device... The EVO and EPIC can handle a lan party...
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Mentat

Nov 11, 2010, 4:29 PM
5Mb a second is not "4g" speeds. It's a marketing ploy so they dont have to tell customers "We spent billions of dollars to upgrade our network so its now 1.5x faster than previously possible"

the true definition of 4G speed is 100Mb in a urban setting and 1000Mb in a rural setting. according to the ITU (International Telecommunication Union).
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DiamondPro

Nov 12, 2010, 3:24 PM
Its not for the Speed its is actual for the access. You no longer have to worry about how much data you use or how long you video chat for whether your in 3g or 4g coverage. Sprint is still the only carrier with 2 top notch 4g beast with front facing cameras for video chatting on 3g or 4g no wifi bs like the iphone 4. Tmobile is late to the game as usual they only have one and it just came out a few days ago. Wtf didn't the vibrant have a front facing camera or the g2? Because tmobile sucks. Why does att only have the iphone 4 to video chat with why not the Captivate? Why is the iphone 4 wifi only? Because there data network is not as strong or as big as Sprints 3g/4g network. Wtf doesn't Americas largest cellphone company verizon have a fro...
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Otowncell

Nov 11, 2010, 11:02 AM
The Blackberry is designed to use optimized level of datas so bad example nw say an Samsung Hero or Moment would be a better one to compare
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 11:12 AM
Otowncell said:
The Blackberry is designed to use optimized level of datas so bad example nw say an Samsung Hero or Moment would be a better one to compare



Neither of those phones have Video calling capabilities... Nor are they hotspot phones.
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TDBearCT

Nov 11, 2010, 11:18 AM
Ahem... Sprint charges an additional $30 for the privilege of using their mobile hotspot. That is above the $10 for "Premium Data".
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 12:12 PM
So? What's your point?
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Jayshmay

Nov 12, 2010, 3:24 AM
I don't bother replying to CamelTowing's posts anymore, just not worth my time. Your welcome to figure out why without me having to use certain adjectives.
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 1:24 PM
Samsung Transform. Next excuse? Is it because it doesn't have a hotspot capability? Then how about the LG Optimus? Hotspot capability, but no 4G, and no front Camera. Either way, Sprint is lying about the charge.
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bigboii300

Nov 11, 2010, 2:29 PM
hotspot capability means more data usage, no 4g is just proving the point that it isn't a 4g charge. You just proved his point.
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 2:35 PM
yet the hot spot has it's own charge. $30 ON TOP of the $10 charge. Read up.
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DiamondPro

Nov 12, 2010, 2:40 PM
You should ask tmobile why they cap picture mail to 300kb. You can only send a 3sec video recorded on the nexus one. 🤣 🤣 🤣
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TDBearCT

Nov 11, 2010, 10:37 AM
Well...

Right now, the only devices that get charged for Premium Data are the Evo 4G and the Epic 4G. Notice the common 4G in their titles (grin).

Similar Android phones like the LG Optimus S, that could consume the equivalent amount of 3G data, are not charged the Premium Data charge.

If what you state is true, then all smartphones should be charged $10 more for premium data. Right now, only the 4G phones are.

FWIW I'm ok with Sprint charging $10/month for 4G data. I'm also ok with them charging the $10 even if I do not access the 4G network. But if that is really true, Sprint should put the money into building up the 4G network with Clearwire.

Jim
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 11:11 AM
TDBearCT said:
Well...

Right now, the only devices that get charged for Premium Data are the Evo 4G and the Epic 4G. Notice the common 4G in their titles (grin).

Similar Android phones like the LG Optimus S, that could consume the equivalent amount of 3G data, are not charged the Premium Data charge.

If what you state is true, then all smartphones should be charged $10 more for premium data. Right now, only the 4G phones are.

FWIW I'm ok with Sprint charging $10/month for 4G data. I'm also ok with them charging the $10 even if I do not access the 4G network. But if that is really true, Sprint should put the money into building up the 4G network with Clearwire.

Jim


It's not true. No other pho...
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TDBearCT

Nov 11, 2010, 11:38 AM
So you are saying that I am being charged $10 for video calling?

A feature, by the way, that basically nobody uses, since it requires two phones running the Qik application. No desktop interoperability, no cross-service integration, nothing.

And, as several other people noted, something that other carriers (T-Mobile) do not charge for.

I'm obviously being ripped off, especially since the Sprint representative I talked to when I ordered the Evo specifically stated that I was paying $10 for 4G service.
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 11:43 AM
good point...its a big rip off i think...pay 240 extra over a 2 yr contract for an app that u can barely use...idk why he cant admit its for the 4g service
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 12:33 PM
tmorep03 said:
good point...its a big rip off i think...pay 240 extra over a 2 yr contract for an app that u can barely use...idk why he cant admit its for the 4g service


I try not to "admit" that lies are truth.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 12:32 PM
TDBearCT said:
So you are saying that I am being charged $10 for video calling?

A feature, by the way, that basically nobody uses, since it requires two phones running the Qik application. No desktop interoperability, no cross-service integration, nothing.

And, as several other people noted, something that other carriers (T-Mobile) do not charge for.

I'm obviously being ripped off, especially since the Sprint representative I talked to when I ordered the Evo specifically stated that I was paying $10 for 4G service.


Wow... US Cellular offers free incoming calls... It doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what Sprint or any other company is doing.
And let's be real here... I've explained it in great d...
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 1:08 PM
well it seems like camel is takin this personal...i think he needs to calm down realize this is a discussion not life or death. mayb he loves kissing sprints a$$ all the time
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Thales

Nov 11, 2010, 2:03 PM
Or maybe he gets frustrated by people being purposefully dense. I know I've gotten frustrated reading this thread...

-fin
Thales
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 2:26 PM
Thales said:
Or maybe he gets frustrated by people being purposefully dense. I know I've gotten frustrated reading this thread...

-fin
Thales



CamelTowing 3:16

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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 2:25 PM
tmorep03 said:
well it seems like camel is takin this personal...i think he needs to calm down realize this is a discussion not life or death. mayb he loves kissing sprints a$$ all the time



And maybe you sit on a VZW c*&k?

Let's be real... You guys are the ones throwing insults around and lying. I'm getting attacked for telling the truth.
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 1:20 PM
I guess you are just going to ignore the Samsung Transform, that has dual cameras, one for video calling.
"Snap photos with the primary 3.2MP camera or fire up the front-facing VGA for video conferencing. On the premium 3.5" HVGA display, videos are more vivid and games more gorgeous."

No $10 charge required.
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 1:21 PM
Also, don't forget, that this is a 3G only device, no 4G. No 4G capability, No $10. 😉
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tmorep03

Nov 11, 2010, 1:22 PM
dude havent u been listening to camel lol. the extra charge is cause the evo and epic somehow use more data
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 1:25 PM
but these are devices that use the same damn OS. first it was "it has video calling" this phone has it, but there isn't an extra $10 charge required. It will use the same amount of Data as the EVO or Epic in every way. he is just an idiot.
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 1:27 PM
Also, he said since they both offer the hotspot crap, they wouldn't charge a $10 on top of the $30 fee for the capability for the hotspot. it is specifically for 4G, but they lie about it. it's kind of blatant..
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XMegadeathX

Nov 11, 2010, 1:54 PM
how about it doesnt matter what the hell the charge is for just pay it or get another phone man i thought this argument was settled long time ago guess not
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 2:16 PM
because people would rather know the truth behind the charge and not lies maybe? I work for Sprint and get this question all the time what the charge is for. The excuses are complete crap from what Sprint has provided us, and just causes more of a frustration with the customer.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 2:28 PM
famoussasjohn said:
because people would rather know the truth behind the charge and not lies maybe? I work for Sprint and get this question all the time what the charge is for. The excuses are complete crap from what Sprint has provided us, and just causes more of a frustration with the customer.


Sounds like you need a new job 🤣
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bigboii300

Nov 12, 2010, 12:03 AM
So how much do you pay for your plan?? The people who use those phones are going to use a lot of data and if you work for Sprint you know that right? No matter if its 3g,4g or crap G. Its like the Iphone effect,you get the phones and you want to get on the net all the time. And the Evo and the Epic are the best on Sprint right now so instead of capping you pay 10.00 and enjoy. Clearwire wants to get money cause it needs money now. Sprint stated it would help if necessary now they are wanting to force the money out of them. And it seems you must hate your job or something. Good luck on your advancement opportunities.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 2:27 PM
famoussasjohn said:
Also, he said since they both offer the hotspot crap, they wouldn't charge a $10 on top of the $30 fee for the capability for the hotspot. it is specifically for 4G, but they lie about it. it's kind of blatant..



Never said that... please quote me where I said that.
Again... "willful retardation"
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 2:41 PM
CamelTowing said:


Neither of those phones have Video calling capabilities... Nor are they hotspot phones.



when someone was said the blackberry uses the same data, then you came back with this. I guess I am just a retard. 🙄
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 3:53 PM
famoussasjohn said:


when someone was said the blackberry uses the same data, then you came back with this. I guess I am just a retard. 🙄




Um call RIM and they will tell you it is NOT the same. Thank you.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 2:24 PM
famoussasjohn said:
I guess you are just going to ignore the Samsung Transform, that has dual cameras, one for video calling.
"Snap photos with the primary 3.2MP camera or fire up the front-facing VGA for video conferencing. On the premium 3.5" HVGA display, videos are more vivid and games more gorgeous."

No $10 charge required.


VGA Cameras = very little data
The video calling the transform does is literally less than HALF the data required using similar features on the EVO and EPIC.

It can't handle sending and receiving HD videos or high res photos. You can't use it to play online games on your PS3.

Guess what...
the EVO and EPIC can...

Your logic = fail. keep trying.
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famoussasjohn

Nov 11, 2010, 2:50 PM
Ya, because VGA is a huge different between 1.3MP. It would be barely be a difference. the iPhone 4, which uses a front VGA camera uses around 100MB for a 10 minute video call. I tested this when I jailbroke my phone and installed My3G to make video calls without needing to be on Wifi.

you are acting like sending a HD photo, which could more than likely be 4MB-8MB. That is not high data transfer by any means. Video may be higher data transfer, but not enough to justify a fee because of that.

also the "data intrusive apps" is a complete joke.

I have never heard of the evo or epic being connected to a Ps3, if this is through the mini HDMI, then no data is going to be used as there is a solid connection that is NOT internet data. If ...
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 6:48 PM
famoussasjohn said:
Ya, because VGA is a huge different between 1.3MP. It would be barely be a difference. the iPhone 4, which uses a front VGA camera uses around 100MB for a 10 minute video call. I tested this when I jailbroke my phone and installed My3G to make video calls without needing to be on Wifi.

you are acting like sending a HD photo, which could more than likely be 4MB-8MB. That is not high data transfer by any means. Video may be higher data transfer, but not enough to justify a fee because of that.

also the "data intrusive apps" is a complete joke.

I have never heard of the evo or epic being connected to a Ps3, if this is through the mini HDMI, then no data is going to be used as there is a solid c
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Jayshmay

Nov 12, 2010, 2:53 AM
Umm a *users* *usage* determines how much data they use, far more so than the device.

You can compare 2 people who own the same exact device, one watches a lot of YouTube, watches videos using other apps, browses the web as their only source for an internet connection, and compare it to someone else that all they do is email and listen to Slacker internet radio.

Users determine usage, not a device. I don't have home internet or cable tv, so I use my Motorola Droid more than most people. It's all up to the user, not the device.
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CamelTowing

Nov 12, 2010, 1:26 PM
Jayshmay said:
Umm a *users* *usage* determines how much data they use, far more so than the device.

You can compare 2 people who own the same exact device, one watches a lot of YouTube, watches videos using other apps, browses the web as their only source for an internet connection, and compare it to someone else that all they do is email and listen to Slacker internet radio.

Users determine usage, not a device. I don't have home internet or cable tv, so I use my Motorola Droid more than most people. It's all up to the user, not the device.


And users who have the Evo/Epic use way more than anyone else. It's proven. Arguing after you were proven wrong just makes your hatred shine. 🤣
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DiamondPro

Nov 12, 2010, 3:50 PM
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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DiamondPro

Nov 12, 2010, 4:35 PM
Agreed it is up to the user. But who the puck do you think is buying Evo's and Epic's? 🤨 Power users! Your theory is flawed in the real world for 2 reasons. Because while if I decided not to use my phone I would not use data. But why the puck would I do that its hard enough for me to put my phone down to spend time chatting on these forums correcting all the lies tmobile verizon and att employees/fanboys keep spewing out over the interwebs to try to boast company sales and perception because my Epic 4g is that awesome! Most importantly if you take the same user not 2 different people as stated in your post. That same person has a blackberry or palm pre for a month they will use an average amount of data. You take that same person and give...
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justfinethanku

Nov 12, 2010, 5:41 PM
You go get em' buddy!

Show them who's boss!


The sheer arrogance displayed by their lack of knowledge of all things Sprint!

You sure are swell!
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