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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 12:47 PM
VZW Plan
450 minutes
m2m
5000 messages plus unlimited m2m messages
"Unlimited" Data
89.98 per month
Source... vzw.com

ATT Plan
450 Minutes
m2m
Unlimited Messaging
2G of data
84.99 per month
Source ATT.com


Sprint Plan
450 Minutes
Any Mobile Any Time
Unlimited Messaging
Unlimited Data
Unlimited Premium Data
79.99 per month
Sprint.com

The Sprint network is just as big and reliable as VZW... They have the top 2 rated devices. They have a TRUE 4G network. They charge customers LESS than the competition and OFFER THEM MORE.
Still trying to figure out why you guys are complaining.
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thecleaner62

Nov 11, 2010, 1:09 PM
please show me what reports say sprints network is just as large and reliable as verizons. on top of that, if sprints network is so great and offers soooo much more, why havent tons of vzw, att and tmobile customers jumped ship? and the funniest thing i think sprint ever did was "any mobile any time," but only while on sprints network and whats the difference between "premium data" and "data," thats like when i goto valvoline and get a premium conventional oil change, its still conventional oil, just with premium next to it, by your logic on the other threads.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 1:11 PM
thecleaner62 said:
please show me what reports say sprints network is just as large and reliable as verizons. on top of that, if sprints network is so great and offers soooo much more, why havent tons of vzw, att and tmobile customers jumped ship? and the funniest thing i think sprint ever did was "any mobile any time," but only while on sprints network and whats the difference between "premium data" and "data," thats like when i goto valvoline and get a premium conventional oil change, its still conventional oil, just with premium next to it, by your logic on the other threads.



Just look at the Coverage maps.
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thecleaner62

Nov 11, 2010, 1:14 PM
iden? cdma? wimax? which network, sprints runs so many its almost a joke
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 1:52 PM
thecleaner62 said:
iden? cdma? wimax? which network, sprints runs so many its almost a joke




Do you have a valid argument or just hatespeak?
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thecleaner62

Nov 11, 2010, 2:00 PM
sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, sprints network in its 3 encarnations has more craters of missing coverage than mickey rourkes face
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 2:10 PM
thecleaner62 said:
sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, sprints network in its 3 encarnations has more craters of missing coverage than mickey rourkes face



No. I'm just setting the record straight while you and your buddies live in fantasy land. 🙂
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DiamondPro

Nov 14, 2010, 1:22 PM
Your very uneducated and may need to do some research. Sprint tops verizon in coverage in the Major cites all around the US! 😎
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 2:00 PM
Oh, So now it's in "Major cities" Well I wouldn't say thats just as big and just as reliable. Look, Sprint is great when your credit is bad or you can't afford REAL coverage in "major cities" or everywhere else. Cricket is great in "major cities" and I don't have to have a contract. $65/month Unlimited Everything. But I'm not interested in piggybacked service or a 4G network that is barely faster than HSPA+ 😢
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DiamondPro

Nov 14, 2010, 2:17 PM
Wow you completely missed it. Sprint has rural area coverage as well almost as much as big red. But the point is most of the population lives in larger cites. Verizon network is spread thin... While Sprint is heavily saturated and has better coverage where u need it the most! 😎

Sprint is Great no matter what your credit score is. Verizon is for drones who like to be overcharged and wanna pay more for less.

Wimax is way faster then hspa+ its like night and day and I cant wait to see what verizons lte plans look like. Sprints Wimax network can handle more then tmobiles hspa+. Worst part about hspa+ is there is no way to tell if your connected to hspa+ at least with Wimax you know when your connected and the speeds increase dramatically...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 3:02 PM
If Verizon is spread so thin, why are they always rated the largest AND most reliable? 😈
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CamelTowing

Nov 16, 2010, 12:49 PM
Cosmic Spiderman said:
If Verizon is spread so thin, why are they always rated the largest AND most reliable? 😈



Actually they aren't... they rate THEMSELVES as the best. Independent studies often rank Sprint and Verizon as equal. ATT was even ranked better than VZW in 2008 by one independent testing firm. Have you noticed all the ads about "the network" have dwindled off? It's because they got in trouble for claiming to be the best even though outside firms couldn't confirm their findings. And NO ONE rates them the largest (except VZW of course). VZW IS often ranked best when talking about customer service. Firms like JD Powers rank VZW customer service as best.
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 17, 2010, 4:34 PM
That was a much better response than I've been getting from you and DiamondPro. Thank you. It was unbiased and well presented. Not "fanboyish" at all. 🙂
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Versed

Nov 14, 2010, 1:29 PM
He might have a point on the iden, but not with WiMAX. The use of WiMAX is no different then VZW or AT&T with LTE.
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crammy1

Nov 12, 2010, 7:01 PM
*size of coverage i guess verizon would win...but they gobbled up so many companies to get that...
*reliability try pcworlds connection card speed test review(whatever you call that, they did it i think twice)
*whats the problem on having anymobile anytime only within the network?(again sprint coverage is not that far in size than that of verizon) whats wrong with that...i dont see any network offering that(well except verizon testing it...lol)
*funny you mention oil change, because there are different motor oil depending on the car im sure you are aware that ferrari owners would not accept just any kind of petrol loaded to their cars. with that said.. that is actually what i usually tell my customers when asked about the $10 premium data...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 1:53 PM
And, What do you need Minutes for if you can call anyone one any carrier for free?
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TDBearCT

Nov 11, 2010, 1:43 PM
A few things...

1. None of us are complaining about Sprint, their service or even the fact that they charge $10 for Premium Data. Many of us are in fact Sprint customers, and pleased (if not ecstatic) with their service and customer support.

Our issue, in keeping with the theme of the original article, is that we were led to believe by Sprint employees that we were paying $10 for 4G data on our phones and that we feel that some of this money should be used to fund Clearwire.

2. Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile all offer similar plans at similar price points. Verizon has a $70/month plan nearly identical to Everything Plus (see PhoneScoop article). The AT&T plan you mentioned is available for $70/month with several readily available corpo...
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 2:10 PM
TDBearCT said:
A few things...

1. None of us are complaining about Sprint, their service or even the fact that they charge $10 for Premium Data. Many of us are in fact Sprint customers, and pleased (if not ecstatic) with their service and customer support.

Our issue, in keeping with the theme of the original article, is that we were led to believe by Sprint employees that we were paying $10 for 4G data on our phones and that we feel that some of this money should be used to fund Clearwire.

2. Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile all offer similar plans at similar price points. Verizon has a $70/month plan nearly identical to Everything Plus (see PhoneScoop article). The AT&T plan you mentioned is available for $70/month w
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land of the free phone

Nov 11, 2010, 2:38 PM
LOL you got this from a training manuel at work didn't you? I sware I've read this before.
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 5:24 PM
land of the free phone said:
LOL you got this from a training manuel at work didn't you? I sware I've read this before.



You "sware" you read it in a "manuel"? I don't know Manuel nor do I wish to sware with him...
I will say that Network Engineering is fun. 🙂
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 2:08 PM
Are you gonna post a quote of what EVERYONE says in your posts or do you think that somepeople might be able to read the previous post themselves?
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DiamondPro

Nov 14, 2010, 2:25 PM
Are u going to stay on topic or do u realize that Sprint is the NowNetwork and Big Red is the maybe one day for Kool-aid drinkers that wanna be overcharged monthly. 😎
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TDBearCT

Nov 11, 2010, 3:58 PM
To respond:

1. Everyone here who has an Evo or Epic, where you told the premium data charge was for the phone or the 4G network?

2. Sprint does offer discounts, but I currently have 25% off my AT&T plan and can get the same on Verizon if I choose to. The best discount I was ever offered on Sprint (besides SERO) was 5%.

3. Can you prove that? Here's a good comparison, the prepaid coverage maps cover what is considered native (carrier owned and operated).

Verizon's Map:
http://vzwmap.verizonwireless.com/dotcom/coverageloc ... »

T-Mobile's Map:
http://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/Prepaid.aspx »

Sprint's Map:
http://www.virginmobileusa.com/check-cell-phon »...
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Poking Pixie

Nov 11, 2010, 4:12 PM
CamelTowing said: I'm sure Columbus was considered "preachy" when he tried to explain to the uneducated that the Earth was actually round.



I believe Pythagoras was the first to postulate that the Earth was round, not Columbus. Pythagoras beat him to that theory by about 2000 years. 😛
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DiamondPro

Nov 14, 2010, 2:38 PM
And Sprint has beat Verizon to 4g buy about 2 years. 😛 Sprint is the leader verizon is the follower 🤣
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 2:59 PM
They just went with the cheapest. If you want to rush out and get cheap, fine, but LTE is better and we'll see who the follower is.
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DiamondPro

Nov 14, 2010, 4:45 PM
No they went with what's NOW! Wimax was already proven tech will lte was still only a theory.

Wheres your proof?

Still no proof I see... Your talking about a network that you have not even used once. How do u know lte is better than wimax? Please explain. Did you actually try out lte and get great lte speeds? Did you even try Wimax?
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 5:26 PM
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/10/20/clearwires-fir ... »

http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/05/24/russias-yota-p ... »

These may or may not convince you. There is also a great article on networkworld.com, "Has mobile WiMAX been permanently crippled in the 4G technology battle?" which also may not convice you. Truth is Fanboys like you will believe what you want to believe. I'm sure you still have a betamax player and an HD-DVD drive.
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DiamondPro

Nov 14, 2010, 2:20 PM
Great post! 😎
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crammy1

Nov 12, 2010, 7:08 PM
nice post.....i hope everybody is like you when it comes to debates 🙂
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justfinethanku

Nov 11, 2010, 2:48 PM
Nobody here is complaining, Sprint is being sued by the SAME COMPANY THAT PROVIDES THAT "TRUE 4G" SERVICE.

I don't understand why you are comparing plans here.
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land of the free phone

Nov 11, 2010, 2:51 PM
Iam. Said from the beginning that the idea of Clear doing this is ridiculous
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CamelTowing

Nov 11, 2010, 5:17 PM
justfinethanku said:
Nobody here is complaining, Sprint is being sued by the SAME COMPANY THAT PROVIDES THAT "TRUE 4G" SERVICE.

I don't understand why you are comparing plans here.



Re-read the article.

1. Sprint is not being sued. No one is being sued. Sprint is bringing arbitrary action against Clear. This is not uncommon when 2 or more companies work together but have an unresolved dispute.

2. 90% of the posts on this article are people trying to dispute the $10 Premium data charge associated with the EVO and Epic based on something completely unrelated but sounds similar enough to get the mob riled up.

You guys are welcome to your opinions about whether or not YOU like Sprint but sooner ...
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crammy1

Nov 12, 2010, 7:10 PM
nice
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 2:38 PM
It like once a week I see someone from Sprint, either customer or employee, going on like Sprint is taking over the world. They fluff up their network by saying its as good as Verizon's. They tout their WiMax 4G network when it's not much better than HSPA+. And they go on and on about having the "best" phones. There is no real fact any of these claims are based on.
Facts are this...They have the lowest plans of any contract carrier, they have the 1st "4G" network, and they have 2 of the best RATED phones. That's it.
Sprint is NOT as reliable as Verizon as stated by the same sources that say that Sprint has the best rated phones. LTE, not WiMax, has the best Speed and Latency, and will be used by Verizon and AT&T, not Sprint. AT&T has the ...
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DiamondPro

Nov 14, 2010, 3:36 PM
Correct! Sprint is more reliable!

Sprint's 3G network delivered a solid connection in 90.5 percent of our 13-city tests. Sprint's average download speed of 808 kbps across 13 cities wasn't flashy (at that speed, a 1MB file downloads in 10 seconds), but dependability is an important asset. The Sprint network performed especially well, both in speed and in reliability, in our test cities in the western part of the United States. 😎

http://www.pcworld.com/article/167391/a_day_in_the_l ... »

Please provide real world proof that Lte is better than Wimax. Until then keep your false claims to yourself. Your waiting on a network that has no launch date. 🤣 Verizon has its fangirls/Employees on a short leash. I'm enjoying 4g now...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 3:46 PM
That's all Sprint is...one big, industry joke. I'm not going to do the work of getting you the info on WiMax vs. LTE. It's out there. And by the end of 2013, we'll see who's at the finish line, the fast Sprint, taking naps along the way, or Verizon and AT&T, taking their time and getting right.
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Slammer

Nov 14, 2010, 4:26 PM
When it comes to personal finances, the last thing I do is joke about it. I have two kids and 5 Grandchildren that I would rather spend my money on. While I dont require 4G connectivity all that often, it is nice to know that I have it and don't have to mortgage my assets to obtain the use of it.

No "Fanboi" as you say. I am free to go to any carrier I choose. I'm Just someone that has a priority of saving money instead of paying for coverage I don't need.

Also, with VZW being the sole most expensive carrier in the industry, one can only assume their LTE will be positioned to fall into this same category.

So while you spend your money on fast cars and cheap women, some of us prefer to direct our finances to what caters to our lif...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 4:58 PM
I do not fault anyone for chosing a less expensive route for their finances. People tend to make choices based off value. I personally find more value in what I pay for with Verizon. The Fanboy term is not intended for everyone that choses Sprint. Fanboy is a term that is directed at ANYONE who cheers and raves, blindly most often, about anything without giving any credit to any other competition. Fanboys are followers so devoted to an idea or product that even if there was something better, they would never admitted it. The worst Fanboys are the ones who make untrue claims about their product, service, or idea. Sprint is cheaper. Sprint does have better customer service. Sprint does have the 2 top-rated phones in the industry. However, peop...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Nov 14, 2010, 3:48 PM
Oh, and BTW you proved my Fanboy Statement. 🤣 🤣 🤣
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DiamondPro

Nov 15, 2010, 1:34 PM
Why because I proved you wrong? 🤣 On so many accounts.

Your one of the biggest fangirls in this forum btw cuz all u do is sip the big red kool-aid 🤣
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CamelTowing

Nov 15, 2010, 2:54 PM
Cosmic Spiderman said:
Oh, and BTW you proved my Fanboy Statement. 🤣 🤣 🤣


Spoken like a true HATER 🤣 🤣

Like Katt Williams said... there's no jokes about haters... the haters ARE the joke. You must get laughed at often. 🤣 🤣
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CamelTowing

Nov 15, 2010, 2:52 PM
Once a week, you or people like you are commenting either on Sprint stories or in the Sprint forum spreading untrue rumors and bashing Sprint. How often do you see any of us in your forum? I'm never in the ATT or Verizon forum.

So instead of seeing Sprint fans "bragging", what you are actually seeing are Sprint fans DEFENDING Sprint. As the saying goes "don't start none... won't be none". In other words, don't bash Sprint and you won't have to hear someone defending them.

What disturbs me here is that you actually have the nerve to complain about Sprint fans defending themselves. Do you have some sort of inferiority complex you are trying to overcome?

LTE and Wimax are almost identical when it comes to latency. LTE is slightly faste...
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