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futuresealsniper

Oct 29, 2010, 5:46 AM
But, but Nokia is dead, it...it can't be..
Rolling Eyes
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evrodude

Oct 29, 2010, 8:52 AM
Nokia is NOT dead! They just do NOT want to make phones for the US market where consumers are used to either low cost or free phones given away by carriers if a consumer signs a contract.

Why should Nokia operate at a loss if they can sell their awesome and far more advanced (than anything we have in the US today) phones in Europe and Asia where consumers first pick a phone by going to an electronics store and paying a full market price (typically between $500 to $800 USD equivalent) and then picking a service provider/carrier and plan.

A smart company like Nokia goes to where they make the most money and that would be in Europe and Asia and NOT in the US. Sadly, United States is years behind Europe and Asia in communications Sad
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Otowncell

Oct 29, 2010, 9:05 AM
it wouldn't be a loss because the carrier is who actually buys the phone from Nokia not the consumer. Carrier is the one who takes the loss by offering free or low cost phones
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evrodude

Oct 29, 2010, 9:25 AM
Nokia does not want to sell their devices to those carriers. They would rather sell them to those who sell them at full price. Or better yet, consumers buying phones directly from Nokia.
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Cosmic Spiderman

Oct 29, 2010, 9:38 AM
You just act like they just told you want they want to do and don't want to do. I figured that they were number one because they sold more prepaid phone, ie Tracphone, Net10 etc
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evrodude

Oct 29, 2010, 11:44 AM
I don't act like anything. I am just stating an opinion and people are free to interpret it in whatever fashion they desire.
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justfinethanku

Oct 29, 2010, 12:28 PM
We don't live in the 90's/early 2000's anymore. This is the year 2010 and the U.S. is far ahead of the pack technology-wise.

Our networks aren't the fastest in the world, I think mainly because of how friggen huge the country is, but our electronics are amazing, despite the incredibly strict and very un-intelligent legislation holding us back.

I guess Japan does have a little of an advantage with the banana vending machines though...
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jhr2112

Oct 29, 2010, 6:32 PM
What legislation holding us back? We have fewer regulations than most other countries.
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evrodude

Oct 30, 2010, 9:21 AM
European and Asian cellphones and mobile networks and services provided by the carriers at those continents are far more advanced than what we have here in the US. Full-motion HD two-way video communication, full-motion HD video recording, playback, and streaming, live TV, mobile commerce (ability to pay for things using a mobile device). Care to name a carrier and device in the US that does all of that? You can't because none exists. Some companies are starting (keyword: starting) to do this but nobody is really doing it fullscale.

So, years behind? YES, most definitely!
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Versed

Oct 30, 2010, 9:37 AM
Evro,
Yes the Asian carriers are killing all the world in bandwidth, the europeans do a better job of it, all over, and we maybe able to match their speeds only in some areas here and there. But phones, well OS's on phones, basically its all the same, which is different from the past.

Just look on any major .eu carrier's url, most of what you see is Android, iPhone, WebOs and Symbian and depending where BB. For the most part in that order. Very different then just a few years ago. I know people come out with a good argument, well they sell more smartphone's then the rest, well that is both true and untrue, if you count all phones with symbian installed, yes, its true. But a good percentage of those phones, are not being used as...
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Mentat

Oct 29, 2010, 8:25 PM
Nokia sells most of its phones for less than $100(USD). Nokia dominates the "emerging markets" which include Africa and Asia. Nokia can sell phones for dirt cheep prices because it owns ~800 GSM related patents so it doesn't have to pay royalties and owns the majority of its manufacturing plants.

Nokia's N series is being destroyed by (for lack of a better word) comparable iPhone and Android handsets.
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evrodude

Oct 30, 2010, 9:24 AM
What the hell are you smoking? The sub-$100 Nokias are the ****ty cheap Pantech-made China-manufactured devices sold to pre-paid and small regional carriers in the US. A real Nokia retails in the US and elsewhere in the $500-$600 range.
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Versed

Oct 30, 2010, 9:47 AM
Which is no different then what good smartphones sell for here in the US. N8, N900 are only the two that with some argument, that could be considered comparable to what is sold here and elsewhere in the world to an Android or iPhone level of phone. And honestly, right now, they don't compare. BTW I own, both an N95 and E71 (unbranded and unlocked).
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Mentat

Oct 30, 2010, 5:05 PM
???

check their balance records or go to www.nokia.com and read their financial quarter results. The average price of a handset sold this past quarter was $137 and that includes N series devices and Vertu
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evrodude

Oct 31, 2010, 12:48 PM
If you go to Nokia web site and look at how much they sell their phones for, say, in the UK, you would see that some of them sell for GBP 429 which makes them $687. Or if you look at a German site, you can see a device going for 499 Euros which makes it $693.
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Mentat

Nov 1, 2010, 2:54 PM
so what?... they only offer a dozen phones out of 60+ handsets they are making right now. Rolling Eyes

the best selling phone in India (Nokia 1280) sells for $27 yes TWENTY-SEVEN dollars! to a market that is almost 1Billion people.

http://www.infibeam.com/Mobiles/#make=Nokia&store=Mo ... »
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Versed

Oct 30, 2010, 9:24 AM
evrodude said:
Nokia is NOT dead! They just do NOT want to make phones for the US market where consumers are used to either low cost or free phones given away by carriers if a consumer signs a contract.

Why should Nokia operate at a loss if they can sell their awesome and far more advanced (than anything we have in the US today) phones in Europe and Asia where consumers first pick a phone by going to an electronics store and paying a full market price (typically between $500 to $800 USD equivalent) and then picking a service provider/carrier and plan.

A smart company like Nokia goes to where they make the most money and that would be in Europe and Asia and NOT in the US. Sadly, United States is years behind Europe a
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