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West Virginia is a perfect case study

CellStudent

Oct 21, 2010, 9:38 AM
Have any of you ever looked at a topographical map of West Virgina? It's a mess! A good friend of mine lived out there for a few years and West Virginia is a logistical nightmare for many reasons because it's nothing but hills!

To build an airport in West Virgina, you find two hills that are close together, cut the top of each mountain off and push all the dirt into the valley between the two hills, thereby creating a decent flat spot to land a plane on... it's absolutely nuts. Look at all the curves and weird angles that all the rivers and state highways follow. In many areas of the state, you have to actually drive 4 miles to get some place that's only 2 miles away because it's physically impractical to build a road that goes direct...
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Mark_S

Oct 21, 2010, 9:48 AM
You had a great comment going until your brain diahrreah kicked in the first line of the last paragraph.
The physical geography lesson from the web is quite good in fact.
When you attempted to label and stereotype the population demographic, your ignorance reared its ugly head.
People of West Virginia are some of the most polite and courteous folk I have ever had the pleasure of talking to.
If that is what a redneck is then they are sure a leap ahead of Harvard and Yale graduates in true education.
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GeeksAreBest

Oct 21, 2010, 10:20 AM
I've been to WV and pretty much agree with the OP there.
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slolearner

Oct 21, 2010, 2:38 PM
GeeksAreBest said:
I've been to WV and pretty much agree with the OP there.

Agreed. A good friend of mine is from W. Virginia and he will readily call himself a hick.

OP was trying to have a sense of humor, to make an interesting (and somewhat tedious) lecture more enjoyable. I highly doubt OP is a racist cleverly disquising hatespeech as a well thought out opinion. You're going to stress yourself out if you wander through the internet carrying knee-jerk reactions and moral lectures with you.
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Mark_S

Oct 21, 2010, 3:23 PM
Possibly but configure it in a more reader-friendly context so it appears that way. 🙂
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CellStudent

Oct 21, 2010, 3:54 PM
Mark_S said:
Possibly but configure it in a more reader-friendly context so it appears that way. 🙂


I cannot be held responsible for your sub-standard susceptance to sarcastic superciliousness.

So sorry. ~
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Mark_S

Oct 22, 2010, 12:08 AM
Root of the problem then....
Hold your parents responsible for wasting sperm and ovum.

Oh well. ~
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Azeron

Oct 22, 2010, 3:31 PM
Totally uncalled for. You castigate him for trying to be funny (though unsuccessful) and then you stoop to that nasty comment which was in no way an attempt at humor but simple ugliness.
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CellStudent

Oct 24, 2010, 7:11 PM
Mark_S said:
Root of the problem then....
Hold your parents responsible for wasting sperm and ovum.

Oh well. ~


...who's the ignorant, epithetical jackass now?
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Slammer

Oct 21, 2010, 1:07 PM
I agree that this will be a great test. I have a couple of questions though.

1) With the 700Mhz spectrum only slightly off of VZW's current spectrum usage, how will this play out as far as defeating the line of sight? I realize you did place an emphasis on "If" it will work. This is a pretty steep experiment.

2) On a power ratio standpoint, Isn't transmitting from a Cell tower different than transmitting from a handset? It seems disproportionate.

John B
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CellStudent

Oct 21, 2010, 3:24 PM
1) Boundary calculations involve a bunch of equations I can't remember right now, and you have to know the exact physical properties of the obstacle to give any specifics, but the improvements are significant. Probably on the order of 20% - 50% improvement handling obstacles compared to the 850 MHz band.

2) Handset power transmitting level is almost always the limiting factor in cell size (on flat terrain). In CDMA, for example, the maximum cell size is {infinity} but it cannot be achieved unless infinite power is available at the handheld and at the tower. For all practical purposes, available power at the cell sites is already pretty close to infinity, so the reverse link (handset to tower transmission) is the limiting factor because...
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Mark_S

Oct 21, 2010, 3:26 PM
Yes! improvements at the handheld are what is needed.
All the apps BS need to be scaled down a bit and performance where it is needed most should be worked on.
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Overmann

Oct 23, 2010, 11:32 AM
They have been. Every time a new chipset comes out it has a lower power draw due to a smaller architecture. This allows more power to be used towards performance, and it usually used to increase the overall system speed.

FCC limits the power output of a handheld because people still believe RF gives you cancer, since RF is often called "Radiation", and is quickly associated with Nuclear Fallout. If RF gives us cancer, we should have all died when FM and Analog TV was rolled out nationwide SIXTY OR MORE YEARS AGO!

Fact is, "Radiation" is everywhere, we are constantly doused in it. Our bodies work just fine. There are only specific kinds of Radiation that is actually harmful.

EXTREMELY HIGH power outputs of the least harmful kinds Ra...
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CellStudent

Oct 24, 2010, 7:00 PM
I disagree.

Your post could have been titled, "Phones can't be produced with higher antenna power-if-we-keep-insisting-they-all-be-8mm-th ick."

If we went back to the days of thick slab-phones, it would be really easy to design a device with a screen on the front, the battery in the middle and the antenna mounted behind the battery compartment, allowing the battery itself to behave as RF shielding for the user's head and permitting much, much higher power rates on the transmitting side without any significant increase in cranial SAR figures. Such a battery design would, however, result in sealed battery compartments inaccessible by the user, similar to the iPhone battery layout. I don't like inaccessible batteries, but I think that's ...
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Slammer

Oct 21, 2010, 6:15 PM
Thanks cellstudent for the info. That was basically what I was trying to convey by my second question. Terrain topography effecting tower to handset is not as much of an issue as the return transaction; handset to tower.

John B.
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sprintchickwv

Oct 22, 2010, 12:33 PM
I've always wondered why wireless technology was not tested in places such as my home state of West Virginia more often. 85% of our population is concentrated within a 90 minute or less drive from Charleston, there's plenty of open land to build towers on, and the hills (while formidable) are not so insurmountable as the Rockies. If your tech works here, it will work just about anywhere and if it does not, you didn't lose as much money as you would have trying to cover a large metropolitan area.
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CellStudent

Oct 24, 2010, 7:08 PM
sprintchickwv said:
...and the hills (while formidable) are not so insurmountable as the Rockies...


Actually, they're much, much worse than trying to cover the Rockies. Covering challenging terrain is less about elevation and more about slope. In the Rockies, you can just mount one antenna on the top of the mountain and it it covers the whole mountain for 15 miles, because the slope of the mountain doesn't change all that much on the 20-mile scale.

Those blasted WV hills slope up for 3 miles, then slope down for two miles, then slope up for two miles... you get my drift. To have a decent cellular deployment in a PCS band, you can only have one or two "valleys" between two cell sites, which basically ...
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Azeron

Oct 22, 2010, 3:27 PM
"If it works, which is a pretty big if, then thousands of rural West Virginia rednecks are going to have 4G service in areas where 2G service or even land-line service were simply impossible to deploy."

So the possibility exists that they would have better data coverage than voice coverage? That is insane.
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Overmann

Oct 23, 2010, 11:33 AM
LTE will also carry voice.
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talyhoyall

Oct 25, 2010, 4:51 AM
Well. For starters, I'm from one of the most remote parts of southern West Virginia. And I'm pretty darned excited for all them high speed data bits I'll be gettin!

Despite my roots (and pride), you may be interested to know that I have an M.S. in Physics and a B.S. in Mathematics. Also, I work in radio engineering for a private research company.

Yes, LTE carries simultaneous voice and data. But for starters, I've never seen anywhere that landline service could not be installed.

There was an initiative that started a handful of years ago in Kentucky, called ConnectKentucky. The purpose of this project was to promote the growth of wireline broadband service to rural areas of the state. Think of VzW just privatizing their own wi...
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