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Multi-Tasker

Oct 14, 2010, 8:04 AM
Could this be a sign? Could we see a change in tides here? Just keeps you wondering if the rumors (which they are at this time) will come true that VZW will start carrying the IPhone. Hmm interesting.
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XMegadeathX

Oct 14, 2010, 8:30 AM
How did i know this garbage would start popping up again.
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devilsmafia

Oct 14, 2010, 8:31 AM
this is quite interesting. I wonder if Apple is doing this in anticipation of the Samsung Tab which should be released next month. As far as Verizon carrying the iphone, i recently read an interview with Verizon's CEO and he said that we won't be expecting a Verizon Wireless iPhone anytime soon if at all. But with the popularity of the Android OS steadily climbing, i'm sure Apple is going to do whatever they can to compete with google such as allowing Verizon to carry thier ipads.
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pjhauser

Oct 14, 2010, 8:31 AM
Sure they'll start carrying it. Just not anytime soon. The rumors of a 5-year deal with AT&T and with production starting up on CMDA versions are probably true, but it will probably be more like 2012. Bundling the iPad with a MiFi is a good way to get something going with Verizon before the iPhone hits. People can get exposed to the device at their local stores and thus start to develop an interest in Apple products.
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customerfocus

Oct 14, 2010, 8:37 AM
Pjhauser said it perfectly. There will be no iPhone! But a chance for verizon customers to look at apple, and see what it is all about.
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edzero

Oct 14, 2010, 10:12 AM
Im glad there are some level headed people here who dont just believe everything they read. I work at an at&t dealer and I get customers every few months coming in and saying that they just read verizon is getting the iphone next week or next month or some other retarted date. This rumor appears every few months and its simply just a rumor. Unless I hear Steve Jobs personally say its happening, I dont believe it.
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acdc1a

Oct 14, 2010, 10:22 AM
You have to understand that if Apple keeps AT&T exclusive for too much longer on that i-Phone they risk repeating history.

In the 1980's if Apple would have followed IBM's lead in the PC market we can only imagine where they'd be today. A stable, easy to use OS on multiple platforms? Billions and billions of dollars in that market alone. Instead they went solo.

Android will destroy i-Phone if they give access to only 1 or 2 carriers for much longer.
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edzero

Oct 14, 2010, 10:25 AM
I agree with you on that. Im not saying it shouldnt happen. Im just saying its not happening tomorrow. People believe everything they read. Android is already starting to destroy them.
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 10:45 AM
The only history I've heard repeating itself is peoples predictions that Apple has no idea what it's doing and should stop employing its business strategy and start listening to the tech pundits.

PS, Apples stock just broke $300.00 yesterday, I think they are doing fine. We'll get their quarterly earnings statements next Monday to confirm that they are not, in fact, being "destroyed" by anyone.
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acdc1a

Oct 14, 2010, 10:48 AM
Let me ask you a question. What was Pets.com stock at days prior to bankruptcy? How about Bear Stearns?

You have to listen to your customers and you have to listen to your critics. Failure to do so leads to...well...failure.
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 11:03 AM
You have to listen to your customers and you have to listen to your critics. Failure to do so leads to...well...failure.


True statement.

And Apple is doing just that, to an extent.

You have to admit though, the vast majority of critics have been just plain wrong. When the iPhone came out they called it a failure, not a smart phone, they said it would never make it past the small niche Apple customers.

When the second one came out they said the same thing, it would fail miserably if they didn't add such and such to it.

The third one arrived and no longer did the critics really bash the phone, but the carrier. They said the phone would absolutely fail if it didn't go to Verizon.

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acdc1a

Oct 14, 2010, 11:09 AM
You nearly missed my point entirely. Apple WILL need to offer their phone to other providers to thrive.

Do you remember the Razr?
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 11:17 AM
I didn't miss your point, I just disagreed with it.

While I believe their is a TON of merit in taking your customers and critics words to heart, I also think it's a good idea to stick to a well thought out business strategy and implement changes that are beneficial for you accordingly despite the pressure to do otherwise. (wow, THAT was a run on sentence at it's best!)

ei: I don't think anyone can see any significant fall-out in sales due to Apple's refusal to allow flash on their devices. But they did change their policy regarding cross-compiling software for App development due to developer complaints.

I think the iPhone will come to Verizon eventually. Hell, it might even be there next week for all I know.


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acdc1a

Oct 14, 2010, 11:19 AM
Moto waited until the phone wasn't relevant any longer before opening it up to other carriers thus allowing the competition to take market share.
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 11:30 AM
I hear you on that, unfortunately the Razr fell to a number of other factors as well, it wasn't innovating at all. Keyboard phones, phones with better UI's and smartphones were becoming more and more dominant and all Motorola did was make attempt after attempt at spit-polishing the same exact device over and over again.

I didn't see any other manufacturers take a step back, look at the RAZR and copy anything. EVERYONE seems to want a piece of the iOS pie. (there are a couple of exceptions I'm sure) Very little the phone did was unique in any way. On the other hand, Apple IS innovating and changing based on what it perceives to be a market demand. They've made a lot of mistakes, but no fatal ones as of yet. Steve Jobs seems to be crapping...
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VZW_insider

Oct 14, 2010, 10:58 PM
There are few points being made here, at least in this sub-thread which are all really valid.

1) Apple is definitely watching Android because Android is gaining market share quickly BUT Apple is not watching say... Motorola. In that respect Apple is still way ahead of the competition. In my opinion, and it's just that, an opinion, Apple risks a repeat of history if they don't open their distribution to multiple carriers in the next year. Launching an IOS device on Verizon will seriously hurt Android. Everyday though, you see fewer people asking about Iphones and asking more about Android. Does it mean the demise of Apple, seriously doubt it, they still make some of the best computers, but the cell phone market is strangely unique. If the...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Oct 16, 2010, 4:32 PM
I completely agree. Technophiles what the latetest and greatest. Right now iPhone is strong without a doubt. The FCC just passed a law stating that all phone must be made to be usable on all carriers. Verizon has also made announcements that in NOV they will be making an annoucement in regards to the release of an iPhone, but even if they do not get an iPhone made specifically for them, in the future, due to FCC mandate, if I want to take my AT&T iPhone to Verizon service, I will be able to. The fate of iPhone is not in as much jeopardy as the future of AT&T. With the FCC law passed it just means all carriers will have to step up on customer service and plan offerings.
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Azeron

Oct 14, 2010, 7:23 PM
No doubt. People love the iphone. I have admired it from afar for years and will continue to do so. I will probably never get a chance to own one.
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Otowncell

Oct 14, 2010, 10:49 AM
WOW $300 please MR. E-Trade enlighten us on what googles stock is????

Oh thats right as of right now its $540.19 a share.....
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GeeksAreBest

Oct 14, 2010, 10:52 AM
Right, but Googles stock isn't entirely in the electronics industry. They own subsidy companies that provide services that are outside the realm of computers or cellphones. They own companies that provide services to other companies and so on. Apple's subsidy companies are almost all geared towards their computer or wireless services.
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trenen

Oct 14, 2010, 10:57 AM
Yeah, and you take those numbers...Apple also sells software, advertisements, iPads, iPods, iMacs, iTV (god...the 'i's are annoying), and accessories outside of their "holy" iPhone. It doesn't matter 'what' they are selling, in this conversation it matters 'what particulars' are they selling. Android is outselling iPhone. Period.
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 11:09 AM
Android is outselling iPhone. Period.


haha, no, it's not.

The hundreds of individual devices combined that use the FREE Android operating system are outselling the iPhone.

Honestly, I'm pretty sure Google makes just as much money off of the iPhone, per-device, as they do with their Android devices.
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GeeksAreBest

Oct 14, 2010, 12:04 PM
Stock isn't based on individualized revenue. It's based on what the company controls. That's like saying that stock for Walmart is $xxx.xx based on their toy sales only, not taking into consideration the revenue of the corp. as a whole.
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Otowncell

Oct 14, 2010, 12:26 PM
this guy has no clue about anything business and business related. He is the SUPER APPLE Fanboy and even if Apple said that the iPhone will explode and blow up your arm if you hold it for more than 1 second this guy would still use the iphone
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 12:39 PM
Thats weird, your contribution to this conversation read as such;

WOW $300 please MR. E-Trade enlighten us on what googles stock is????

Oh thats right as of right now its $540.19 a share.....


Not only do you fall victim to the same exact critique brought up by geeksarebest, but you had very little idea of what you were talking about to begin with.

So far, from what I see, the only reason you have posted in this thread at all is to call me names.

Speaking of name calling;

Fanboy: Derogatory term, the last resort of the barely literate when they don't have a rational leg to stand on in technical debates where they find themselves out of their depth.
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bluecoyote

Oct 14, 2010, 11:24 AM
Google has significantly fewer shares of stock than Apple. That's why their stock price is higher. Their overall valuation is significantly less.
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 11:31 AM
Why can't you just state a fact without being insulting?
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bluecoyote

Oct 14, 2010, 11:41 AM
That's not insulting. I Implied he went to college, even. 🙂
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 11:55 AM
I Implied he went to college, even.


#correction; I even implied he went to college.

😉
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 11:52 AM
Market cap values; 275.6 billion (apple) vs 172.5 billion (google)

The shares are diluted accordingly.

You can't judge a companies worth based on the stock price alone.

in my original comment I was talking about Apple stock price going way up over the last 6 month or so, driving their market cap through the roof.
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trenen

Oct 14, 2010, 10:54 AM
Google has a higher stock. Just because Apple's overall stock is doing well, doesn't mean that their cellphone division is not decreasing. Reports have come out that Android is outselling the iPhone around the world right now. Apple is in as much danger as any other company in a competitive market. One bad step can collapse a company very quickly. Apple, despite what the iBots like to believe, is not invincible (obviously, based off of their history of nearly going out of business).
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bluecoyote

Oct 14, 2010, 11:35 AM
Apple is selling record numbers of iPhones. Their revenue growth in the mobile industry is greater than every other phone manufacturer combined. The growth of the platform itself is still continuing to rise as well.

But before you say "Android's market share growth is increasing faster" , that was the same strategy used by Windows Mobile and Symbian back in the RIM days - both are dead OS's at this point.

Android is what carriers are offering because they don't have the iPhone.
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acdc1a

Oct 14, 2010, 12:05 PM
And DOS/Windows is what other PC manufacturers were offering because they didn't have Mac OS.

😉
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 12:08 PM
Actually... yeah.

I'm just assuming you were being sarcastic though. It is pretty well known that Apple is one of the most immitated companies on earth.
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acdc1a

Oct 14, 2010, 12:17 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I was pointing out that Apple lost the PC wars and they haven't changed their business strategy in the phone wars.
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justfinethanku

Oct 14, 2010, 12:24 PM
The same strategy that was actually working pretty well until they fired Jobs. After that Apple tried everything to gain their mass appeal back, including licensing out their OS. None of which worked.

Close to bankruptcy they hired Jobs back, and the rest is history.
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bluecoyote

Oct 14, 2010, 7:25 PM
is what everyone was offering because they didn't have iTunes access.
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Azeron

Oct 14, 2010, 7:19 PM
Apple's stock price is that high mainly because of the iphone?
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trenen

Oct 14, 2010, 10:49 AM
How can you say there will be no iPhone? That's ignorant. iPhone coming to VZW is inevitable. This year? Probably not. Next year? More likely.
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ZumiezEastCoast

Oct 23, 2010, 1:49 PM
there not rumors man they will be launching soon. thats why the ipad is being relased to vz.
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