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Preloaded?!!!? Screw you Verizon! ! !

Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 1:31 PM
This is going too far Verizon! ! ! My choices come down to rooting my next smartphone, or getting a Super AMOLED equiped Samsung Android smartphone from Sprint with WiMax. Verizon is intruding too much in the user exeperience!!!
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Daniel Dc5

Aug 30, 2010, 1:46 PM
You sound really angry for no reason, if you do not like the application dont use it. That will not ruin your experience.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 1:53 PM
When a company --preloads-- software on a device that -I- $paid$ for with -MY- money, I consider that trespassing on my property that I paid for with my --$--. These smartphones are suppose to be Google Android smartphones, --NOT-- Microsoft Bing smartphones.

You seem to be more of a corporate clone than a consumer.

Phone Scoop needs more --consumers-- and less wireless industry clones.
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devilsmafia

Aug 30, 2010, 2:42 PM
Actually the phone is the property of Verizon Wireless before you buy it and they can preload whatever they want on it. So no, they are not trespassing on your property. Some people want an Android phone but prefer Bing as their search engine, some people prefer Google. Now everyone will have the choice. If you don't like Bing then don't use it. Seem's like wasted energy to get mad about something that you have the choice to either use or don't use.
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 2:49 PM
What is annoying here is the excess of preloaded software that lowers processor speeds and decreases device's usage, so the problem here is not the app itsef, the problem is that VZW's phones have ONE MORE preloaded app...
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 2:52 PM
I feel the problem I that Verizon Android phones will be less Android and more Microsoft now.

Menno was right, stock Android is dead Mad .
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 2:58 PM
Unfortunately, yes... Let's hope and pray for SE Xperia update to 2.2 to be as much Android-stock as possible...
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:01 PM
Ah, ATTs data plans render smartphones useless! I like to listen to daily podcasts and watch news videos. ATT doesn't like people who actually *use* their smartphone.
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 3:09 PM
I know (I work for them), but you can get the Xperia unlocked (you can get it online), update its software and use it on whatever carrier you like... So no big deal, I mean, you can actually get it unlocked... Not like some other phones (cough... iPhone...)
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trey1475

Aug 30, 2010, 3:05 PM
WolfCR13 said:
What is annoying here is the excess of preloaded software that lowers processor speeds and decreases device's usage, so the problem here is not the app itsef, the problem is that VZW's phones have ONE MORE preloaded app...


If are not using that particular app then there wont be any affect on professor speeds.
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 3:11 PM
Yup, I know, but what if you accidentally open it, and then start using other apps??? If phones come with so many preloaded sh*t, you can accidentally open apps and get a worse performance on your phone...
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devilsmafia

Aug 30, 2010, 3:13 PM
Advanced Task Killer FTW! put the widget on your screen and with one touch of your finger any app you accidently opened will be killed. Twisted Evil
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Caucasian

Aug 30, 2010, 3:18 PM
ATK? Why download an app for something that is in the core system 2.1 and forward?
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devilsmafia

Aug 30, 2010, 3:37 PM
I like the widget
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 4:10 PM
I mean, we know that, but what about first users??? Or people who have Androids just 'cause they like how they look like but don't know how to use them??? (believe me, it happens every single day...)
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 4:01 PM
And this is a good thing.

3rd party task killers cause more harm than good.
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trey1475

Aug 30, 2010, 3:23 PM
WolfCR13 said:
Yup, I know, but what if you accidentally open it, and then start using other apps??? If phones come with so many preloaded sh*t, you can accidentally open apps and get a worse performance on your phone...


Who fault is that?? Like I said earlier. If you dont like the app then uninstall it... Pandora, Skype, Google Maps, and Twitter were all preloaded on my Droid with 2.2. I can uninstall any of those apps when ever I feel like it!
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 4:32 PM
OK, but I was talking about persons who get these phones without the necessary knowledge, or persons who get these phones only because they like them....
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trenen

Aug 30, 2010, 5:41 PM
Well those people probably won't care if Bing is on it. Those people also shouldn't be getting 'smart phones' if they themselves are not smart enough to know that applications can be uninstalled.
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 5:48 PM
I agree with you... The problem is, put yourself into a customer care rep shoes, and imagine yourself receiving calls from persons who don't know why the heck their android phones are so slow, day by day, call by call...
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 5:52 PM
It happened with WinMO 5, it happens with iOS update from 3.1.2 to 4.0.2, and, sooner or later, it will happen with androids
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shellis129

Aug 30, 2010, 10:29 PM
Verizon lets you uninstall preloaded apps??
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 4:00 PM
Then Android will shut down that program as your other apps demand more memory.

The only time an app WOULDN'T get killed this way is if it was poorly coded. and I doubt that kind of app would make it past carrier testing.
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trey1475

Aug 30, 2010, 3:13 PM
trey1475 said:


If are not using that particular app then there wont be any affect on professor speeds.

Sorry. I didn't proof read my work... What I meant to say was... If you are not using that particular app then it will not affect the speed of the processor.
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WolfCR13

Aug 30, 2010, 4:34 PM
Yup, we all got you, but thanks for the clarification... Very Happy
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 2:49 PM
According to this article Bing is going to be the -default- search engine for all new supposed Android phones on Verizon from here on out. Doesn't seem like a choice. It seems to me as though Bing is being shoved down peoples throats!
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devilsmafia

Aug 30, 2010, 2:58 PM
I'm curious if this will be able to be uninstalled or not. If not then maybeeeeeee, i might be a little annoyed. Otherwise no big deal for me.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:03 PM
Probably it will only be able to be uninstalled through root. Just like Facebook & Twitter.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:47 PM
Facebook and Twitter are part of the Original Source Code from Google. They're not bloatware
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:53 PM
I would still prefer to have a *choice* as to weather or not it's on *my* device and taking up *valuable internal memory*.

Internal memory isn't much on these devcices. Everybit counts.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:58 PM
Where is the line then Jay? Gmail? Google Maps? Google search? etc.

Android has to have SOMETHING at it's core. Android is ALL about living off the cloud, syncing the user with the digital world. Facebook and twitter are PART of that world, thus they are part of android's core.

If you don't want facebook or twitter on your device, you don't want android.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 4:00 PM
Uh huh. . .I get what your saying.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 4:10 PM
I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just trying to show you that there's more than a corp v consumer side to this picture. The official twitter client and facebook combined are FAR under 1mb of data, especially if you never log into them.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 4:17 PM
I just pressed menu, settings, Application Management, for some reason I couldn't find FB, but Twitter Verision 1.03.04 is listed as a 3.04mb app. And yes, I cleared cache and data.

No, I don't think your being mean.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 4:22 PM
hmm wierd.. I think it blew up a bit (just checked mine as well). Although I went in an uninstalled all updates and it dropped it to .94mb still larger than it was when it first appeared in builds, but if you don't use that client, and space is an issue, that's a way to get 2mb back.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 4:28 PM
Really all I use Twitter for is to read your posts.

Recently I read Sarah Lane's posts on Twitter, she's really pretty! She's on Leo Laporte's TWiT network.
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flip mode

Aug 30, 2010, 3:22 PM
Jayshmay said:
When a company --preloads-- software on a device that -I- $paid$ for with -MY- money, I consider that trespassing on my property that I paid for with my --$--. These smartphones are suppose to be Google Android smartphones, --NOT-- Microsoft Bing smartphones.

You seem to be more of a corporate clone than a consumer.

Phone Scoop needs more --consumers-- and less wireless industry clones.


Yea, I'm not really down with the whole preload bit. I'm still trying to scheme up ways to get Amazon MP3 off my Android device. My computer and phone's homepage by my choice is Google. Why do I want a competitor's search engine. Why can it not be an option and not forced down the consumer's throat?
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:26 PM
I like having Amazonmp3, being able to d/l a song for only .99 cents with accompanying cover art. I think amazonmp3 is great.

Btw, it's nice to come across a felow consumer rather than a corporate clone on Phone Scoop Very Happy
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:28 PM
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a corporate clone, unless you are saying that all consumers are clones of one another.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:31 PM
I'm just sick of how much people agree with corporations on Phone Scoop, rather than seeing things from a consumer point of view.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:56 PM
The problem is that you think everything is "Us Vs them" when in reality it's not, and it never has been. Just because someone doesn't bash a corporation at every chance doesn't mean they're just parroting the company line.

Considering all corporations evil greedy bastards who are out to harm consumers whenever possible is NOT the consumer point of view.

Neither is is the Consumer point of view to say that Carrier bloatware is somehow offensive to the consumer because the reality is that it's not.

Most consumers don't give a DAMN about what comes on their phone. In fact, a lot of customers consider a pre-loaded blockbuster app to be a BONUS.

You're not a "Consumer" Jay. Posting on this site removes you from that. The averag...
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Scribed3d

Aug 30, 2010, 7:24 PM
Amen brother.
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flip mode

Aug 30, 2010, 4:37 PM
likewise
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bluecoyote

Aug 30, 2010, 1:48 PM
If you don't want pre-loaded crap you buy a Nexus One or an iPhone. Sprint's going to pre-load a bunch of white trash crap on their phones, Verizon's going to load the crappiest apps you can imagine, and AT&T's going to try its own knockoffs of those crappy apps.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:24 PM
Yes, the iphone has remained largely unscathed with this, but they still suffer from another form of carrier intervention (att locking out certain features, such as tethering, long after they were built into the OS)

I'm not happy about bing being preloaded, but if you get a carrier device, there's going to be some compromise somewhere. Hopefully it's just a preinstalled widget and not something that supplants Google's search functions (like it will be on the fascinate)
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:50 PM
I feel similarly. I can careless if its just there and preinstalled and stuff. But it better not be the default search over Google from here on out, at least that's how I interpret the article.

I think that would be cool if certain local wireless stores, such as Wireless Toyz, would provide a rooting service, anybody can take their slightly less of an Android smartphone in and for say $30 they will return it to 100% stock Android 2.2
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:53 PM
They can't provide rooting services because all it takes is one asshole to get a little lawyer happy and blaime them for wrecking his device for the whole shebang to become unprofitable.

Selling phones, I play Dumb to rooting. It's not that I don't want to help people,I do. but the average consumer is quick to blaime you for EVERYTHING that goes wrong with a device after you handle it, even if they asked you to.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:57 PM
I can understand that.

Personally though, I'd trust you to root my Droid. Heck, you've got the same smartphone and have done it yourself.
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Da_Bonehead

Aug 30, 2010, 5:59 PM
"but the average consumer is quick to blaime you for EVERYTHING that goes wrong with a device after you handle it, even if they asked you to. "

I have seen this. I have had customers say that their device was not moisture damaged until I/We touched it.
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bluecoyote

Aug 31, 2010, 1:28 AM
To be fair, Apple has only let AT&T disable features until they could get their network capacity up to handle them. I don't think neither Apple nor AT&T wanted there to be a delay on MMS.

What I haven't seen is Apple restricting App store submissions to certain carriers due to exclusivity agreements.

There doesn't seem to be anyone with the balls to moderate platform development.
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Menno

Aug 31, 2010, 9:49 AM
the network capacity argument is BS. they were offering unlimited data on the ipad before tethering, and when they finally came out with tethering, it was on a capped plan that is pathetic for tethering use.

App exclusives is something that you only really see in the states, so to be fair, apple can't restrict submissions to certain carriers until it's available on more than one in the states.
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trey1475

Aug 30, 2010, 3:02 PM
Jayshmay said:
This is going too far Verizon! ! ! My choices come down to rooting my next smartphone, or getting a Super AMOLED equiped Samsung Android smartphone from Sprint with WiMax. Verizon is intruding too much in the user exeperience!!!


So ****ing what??? If you dont like the preloaded app then dont use. Or better yet just uninstall it. Its only tkaes 3 clicks to delete an app. Paranoid
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:04 PM
Likely if it comes preinstalled the only way to uninstall would be by rooting.
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trey1475

Aug 30, 2010, 3:11 PM
Jayshmay said:
Likely if it comes preinstalled the only way to uninstall would be by rooting.


No.... Google Voice, Google maps, and Pandora came preinstalled on my Droid and I can delete those anytime I want to.. Thats why its called "pre-installed." They are not saying its going to be apart of the OS.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:27 PM
Pandora wasn't preinstalled on your phone, at least not by Moto/verizon/google.

As for maps, you can't uninstall it, you can only uninstall any updates applied since you activated the device.

Apps like Bing (or blockbuster, etc) are locked to the device, and the only way to remove them is by rooting.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 3:36 PM
the ONLY way you'll get a phone without bloatware is to buy a device that was made to be unlocked and unsubsidized (Nexus One) or buy from a company that, as part of the deal they worked out with the carriers, release a device removed of it (such as Moto and Verizon did with the first droid)

Heck, even with the iphone, you're trading carrier bloatware for device lockdown (not saying the two are equal, but there is a tradeoff) How long did it take Apple to approve a browsing alternative that wasn't simply a rehash of Safari Webkit? How many alternatives do you have for syncing your music? etc. again, even I would argue that device lock in is the "lesser of two evils" but that doesn't mean it's "better in every way."

Bloatware on de...
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 3:44 PM
I don't know what the market is going to look like deep into next year, or early 2012.


The point about the Epic is I don't feel that any of the bloatware interferes or steps on any of the core Android OS functions, such as Google Search, voice functions, or Google Maps.
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VZW611LA

Aug 30, 2010, 3:55 PM
Make a fool of your self? Grow up.
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muchdrama

Aug 30, 2010, 4:41 PM
Jayshmay said:
This is going too far Verizon! ! ! My choices come down to rooting my next smartphone, or getting a Super AMOLED equiped Samsung Android smartphone from Sprint with WiMax. Verizon is intruding too much in the user exeperience!!!


Bing serves a very usable function. I've got no problem if it's preloaded on my Verizon phone.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 4:44 PM
Yeah well there's a difference between it being preloaded and it becoming the default search engine. Default I have a problem with, preinstalled, not as much of a problem.
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Scribed3d

Aug 30, 2010, 7:27 PM
Umm... you realize that this is an app... not the default, right? I just triple checked with Verizon's site and the Bing Mobile site.
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Menno

Aug 30, 2010, 9:32 PM
The only issue is that with the Facinate, it looks like it will be more than just an app. it replaces the google search widget (you can't download this from the market) and the facinate won't even come with google maps installed. (though you can still download it)
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Jayshmay

Aug 31, 2010, 12:28 AM
Damn shame! That's all I have to say.
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Jayshmay

Aug 30, 2010, 4:48 PM
Hey, I know you live in southern Florida, have you been following hurricane Earl? Just 20 minutes ago I got an alert on my Droid, it's been upgraded to a category 4 with winds @
130+mph!!!!!. . .YiKes!!!
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dreamer528

Aug 30, 2010, 5:06 PM
Jayshmay said:
Hey, I know you live in southern Florida, have you been following hurricane Earl? Just 20 minutes ago I got an alert on my Droid, it's been upgraded to a category 4 with winds @
130+mph!!!!!. . .YiKes!!!



What happened to Hurricane BING?!

love this thread!
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Scribed3d

Aug 30, 2010, 7:18 PM
Calm down man. Relax a bit. These are phones, remember? That's it. Just phones.

That being said, I know that people that peruse sites like this don't look at our devices as just phones. We study them, analyze them, nit-pick them, have Android vs iOS fights, etc about them. But the best thing of all is that there are so many of them. You have a choice. if you don't like something, look for what you do like.

Now, in the grand scheme of things, there will nearly universally be pre-loaded software on devices. Its the sad truth. But, look at them for what they are. On Verizon, there is the NFL app, Bing (now), Blockbuster, and a few others. At worst, this adds maybe an extra two lines to your program widget list. Each of these ...
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Jayshmay

Aug 31, 2010, 1:52 AM
How do we know Bing won't be default? If it is that makes Android less Google.
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