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Nokia's actual quote is somewhat of a backhanded comment

furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 12:45 PM
In general, antenna performance of a mobile device/phone may be affected with a tight grip, depending on how the device is held. That's why Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand. Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying how people hold their phones and allows for this in designs, for example by having antennas both at the top and bottom of the phone and by careful selection of materials and their use in the mechanical design.


While they agree that a tight grip affects signal strength, they go on to say that Nokia phones attend to these matters by designing around the antenna. In other words, Apple's design o...
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 1:10 PM
1) Where do you get this idea out there that there are 3 million Apple people who will bend over and justify any problems with their phone? They may like Apple, but they like Apple because they think Apple makes good products and backs them up.

2) You've seen the discussion from people who have been affected by this? There are iPhone 4 users out there who are definitely miffed, although I think the number is a bit blown out of proportion.

3) Have you even used an iPhone 4? I'm willing to guess no.
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Otowncell

Jul 17, 2010, 1:18 PM
shoot my roommate is one of these people. Blames the drop signal on AT&T and not the iphone though I never loose signal when he does!
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 1:42 PM
What iPhone does he have?
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Slammer

Jul 17, 2010, 2:09 PM
As you have said Blue, there is a definite problem here with the iphone4. My friends and I met for lunch a week ago and both of them have ATT. The area we were in had mediocre service. The one friend has a BB Bold. The one with the iphone dropped a call, while my other friend maintained 2 bars with no dropped call. This was the third iphone for my friend that never experienced issues in the same area. This version is an issue. It may not be widespread but for those comfortable with previous iphones, it is an issue. I don't care what Steve Jobs says on his podium. The antenna problem is an issue more so than previous iphones. This is a shame because this new iphone is way ahead of the previous.
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 2:16 PM
Are these iPhone 4's?

That's not particularly in line with the antenna behavior that's being reported.

Providing you don't bridge the antenna gap with your finger in low-signal areas, you'll notice a dramatic improvement in low-signal performance. I'm not done testing it yet, but my prediction is that the iPhone 4's antenna performs better in weak signal than any other device currently sold on AT&T's network.
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Slammer

Jul 17, 2010, 2:26 PM
He progressed from the 3G to the 3Gs and then to the iphone4. He just returned his iphone4. He felt absolutely horrible as he loves Apple. He makes 6 figues a year and within the last two weeks, he has lost more calls per initiation with clients than on his previous models. Not good. He has reverted back to his 3Gs.

He contemplated a case for it, but felt it was counter-productive to the point. I could not disagree with him.
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Slammer

Jul 17, 2010, 2:35 PM
BTW, I believe it IS in line of reports. Changing how the bars read is one thing, how the antenna reception reacts is entirely another thing.
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 3:25 PM
Providing you don't bridge the antenna gap with your finger in low-signal areas


That comment is basically defending Steve Jobs comment that everyone is holding their phone wrong. The regular way that phones are typically held in the left hand causes the bridge to occur.

It's a major annoyance, and it's not what's expected out of a quality product. Design should be built around usage, and not vice-versa. A product should be built that makes you use the product in a different way than what's most convenient/makes the most sense just to get it to work correctly.
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mamurill

Jul 19, 2010, 6:07 PM
You are testing the i-phone 4. You reported that it had a 20db drop in signal. How were you testing the phone? 20dB is a big drop, you could not maintain a call in a weak signal area at all.
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 1:54 PM
I walked into an apple store yesterday to test out the defect for myself.

Now, I'll admit, Apple puts out beautiful looking products, and excellent software, but there is no denying the existence of this design flaw.

I shorted the antenna on three of the devices on display. I watched first hand how the signal dropped from full-strength/3G to absolutely no signal whatsoever.
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 2:17 PM
What Apple store was this?
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 2:27 PM
It was in Walnut Creek, california.

I was actually surprised that the problem happened exactly as described. I was skeptical at first.
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tzsm98

Jul 17, 2010, 8:56 PM
Wow! A lot prayers go right over Walnut Creek on their way to Apple Headquarters. Maybe it was that interference that caused the signal drop! 😉
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PHONESCOOP LORD

Jul 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
wow get a life looser
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 1:52 PM
Whether or not I have a life, your iPhone's antenna still sucks. Sorry!
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PHONESCOOP LORD

Jul 17, 2010, 1:56 PM
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Mentat

Jul 17, 2010, 1:30 PM
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I personally live in a major suburb south of St. Louis. Everyone I know lives within a few miles of Major cities, Detroit (scary), Chicago and LA. To be honest all of us live within a few miles of a tower. The only place I have had an issue with the iPhone 4's signal is Los Angeles, but even Steve Jobs blames California for poor coverage not the carriers... bureaucrat.

Some people call it poor engineering but educated individuals call it revolutionary. I would rather have Apple create a new antenna that no one has tried before and find out a way to make it people proof than to stick with what has been done before. When Apple finds a way to make the antenna part of the frame AND have virtually '0' degradation imagine how much b...
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 1:57 PM
It was a great idea, and I'm sure there is a way they can perfect the implementation of it.

I just wish that rather than insult every single other cell phone manufacturer, Apple would just fess up to the fact that there is a real world flaw in the iPhone 4. They can blame physics all they want, but the loss of signal strength in just about any other phone is nowhere near as present as in the iPhone 4.

For such an expensive phone, people should expect, at minimum, a fully-functional antenna.
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 2:21 PM
1) How did Apple insult any other phone manufacturer? Apple didn't say "Look, ours is better than theirs." They just said "Look, attenuation is not specific to this antenna design." Period.

2) Apple just stated that the loss in signal strength on any other phone is on par with what's lost on the iPhone 4.

3) Ars Technica confirmed this early on.

4) Apple also acknowledged for some people the antenna design may cause a problem because its sensitivity is different, so they're giving them a case if they're having problems.

5) In most settings, the iPhone 4's antenna outperforms its peers.
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 2:30 PM
I actually was able to test their claim against a few of the products on their website that they showed as dropping to no signal. I simply cannot get the phones to drop from full to zero no matter how I hold it.
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 2:50 PM
So what? There are coverage areas I can death-grip my iPhone 4 and not produce anything. No matter how I hold it, it won't budge or degrade.

But that doesn't mean I can't reproduce the issues elsewhere. Such attenuation only happens in certain areas based on signal strength, position to towers, etc.
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 3:08 PM
Yeah, but side by side comparison, both on the ATT network, two different phone models?

You can't say signal is the difference...

They're both connecting to the same damn towers!

How can you honestly say that signal is the difference. Oh, that's right, because Steve Jobs said so. His word is as golden as God himself.
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GeekBro

Jul 18, 2010, 2:11 AM
The new iPhone 4's will come with a bumper in the box. With a bumper, the antennae issue goes away. Should they have included the bumper in the beginning? Yes, black gets black bumper, white gets white bumper, if you want a different color, buy it. Now the iPhone reminds me of the old Nokia phones that allowed you to change the color.

Evo customer's are just upset that they can not color coordinate their phone like you can with the iPhone. smh
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furyx639

Jul 18, 2010, 9:31 PM
Yes, because as we all know color coordination is more important than being able to get signal.

Is there not a single iPhone user on this website that can actually think for themselves and form opinions based on facts and research?

All I've been hearing is: "iPhone is the greatest evar and ur just jelous cuz ur phone sux, lol!"

Sigh, I guess that is expecting too much from the iPhone crowd.
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Mentat

Jul 17, 2010, 3:33 PM
EVERY PHONE is effected the same way!!!!

Apple sold 3,000,000 products in 3 weeks no other device has sold like that so of course its the only phone that got singled out for that issue
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 3:37 PM
Then why can I reproduce the signal drop issue on the iPhone 4, but I can't make the same thing happen on a Blackberry Bold?

The pictures on the Apple website show that the exact same thing occurs on the Blackberry, and yet in an ATT Store I can death grip the iPhone 4 from full service to no service every single time. The blackberry, no matter how I hold it, doesn't drop to no signal.
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fer712

Jul 17, 2010, 2:01 PM
im with phonescoop lord u have no idea what ur saying i also own one and i have no problem iphone 4 r good phones i think ur just pist u dont have one or something man really get a life like he said lmao 🤣
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 2:09 PM
Blah, blah, blah. I get it, you love Apple, they can do no wrong, and it would ruin your perfect existence if you were to ever admit that Apple made a mistake.

Get the facts straight, it has been confirmed by a number of reputable sources that there is a design flaw in the hardware. I have confirmed this as well, first hand.

I'm not downplaying all of the obvious benefits the iPhone has, but what pisses me off is that rather than admit to the flaw they're playing the "we suck, but so does everybody else" card, and that simply is not true. The amount of signal degradation caused by the death touch on the iPhone 4 is nowhere comparable to other handsets.

I own two phones, a Samsung WM and a HTC N1. Neither will drop signal to the ...
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 2:52 PM
If you own an HTC Nexus One you'll see a way more severe drop than on an iPhone 4.


I'm a Nexus One owner.
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furyx639

Jul 17, 2010, 3:11 PM
My Nexus One hardware sucks too. It doesn't really drop, the signal just starts off low, but that's mostly because it's on T-Mobile service.

I'm not going to say my Nexus One is better than the iPhone 4. I'm not even going to say that the drop does not occur. But losing 100% of signal strength on an iPhone 4 is a much more severe drop (proportionally) than going from 5 bars to 4 bars on my nexus one.

100% drop > 20% drop

Or by Apple's fuzzy math

100% drop = 20% drop
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bluecoyote

Jul 17, 2010, 3:34 PM
Well for accurate comparison you need an AT&T N1.

But to clear this up- you don't lose 120db of signal strength on an iPhone 4 by holding it with your left hand. It's about a ~20db drop if you're able to reproduce it.

Under the old software, it was showing 4-5 bars where there may be two or three, and a small drop could take you from bar 5 down to bar 1.
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