Nokia Statement Backs Apple's iPhone Defense
Design Flaw?
I think it is simply as excuse for a design flaw. This is hearsay and unverified as far as I know, but I have been told the iPhone4 internal antenna runs around the entire perimeter of the phone, except for a small empty spot about a ½ inch. This design works fine until you happen to place your finger on that empty spot, you finger now complete a full "circuit" and the signal degrades or drops altogether. I am just waiting for the fun to begin when Apple starts pointing the finger at AT&T’s network.
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Actually RIM's don't. RIM released a statement saying that they make sure every phone they design is user friendly when it comes to gripping and holding a phone. Basically saying the engineer better design antennas and cases. True fact own 3 different blackberries and held my all ways possible and no drop in signal.
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You mean they're not real? You just destroyed my world and I just died a little inside.
Say it ain't so!
Say it ain't so!
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I'm sorry but if you think that blackberries don't lose signal then you've got your head in the sand.
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Yeah, every single phone has a notch that allows you to short the circuitry on the antenna. Because every single phone out there uses an external antenna wrapped around the perimeter of the phone... oh wait...
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All phones are capable of dropping calls based on scenario, way it is held, et cetera. Anyone on this forum who didn't just get their first phone 2 days ago has dropped calls/been in a dead zone/lives ontop of an indian burial ground that completely %$*#s your service.
I work in a cell phone repair center (Not AT&T, either) and have regularly seen other phones with faulty transceiver (radio), or just really friggan terrible antenna issues.
To list a few including smart and dumb phones:
Motorola RAZR
Motorola Q9c
Sanyo 2700
Sanyo s1
Samsung m300
Samsung m320
Every Palm known to man-****ing-kind (Treo series, Centro, and Pre/Pixi)
Samsung Instinct (Original, S30, and HD)
Blackberry Curve 2
I work in a cell phone repair center (Not AT&T, either) and have regularly seen other phones with faulty transceiver (radio), or just really friggan terrible antenna issues.
To list a few including smart and dumb phones:
Motorola RAZR
Motorola Q9c
Sanyo 2700
Sanyo s1
Samsung m300
Samsung m320
Every Palm known to man-****ing-kind (Treo series, Centro, and Pre/Pixi)
Samsung Instinct (Original, S30, and HD)
Blackberry Curve 2
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My mom had her landline signal loose "coverage". The tech working at the neighborhood exchange box accidentally knocked off the little spade from its connector post(or whatever you call it).
Since life is not perfect, I say we sue to get perfection.
Or better yet, we should have or politicians pass a bill that requires life to be perfect.
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Since life is not perfect, I say we sue to get perfection.
Or better yet, we should have or politicians pass a bill that requires life to be perfect.
🤣 🙄 🤣 🙄
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Perfection was probably a poor choice of wording. Reliable may be more accurate. But perfection, design, and a other jargon like that are part of Apples marketing, and it works.
A phone, especially the wireless kind, is going to be prone to lost signal. And I hate the pedestal that the iPhone has been put on (not by Apple, but by people who sound like that YouTube video..."it's not an iPhone, I want an iPhone...") because it's not the jesus phone they worship it to be. It's like any other, with the same defects.
A phone, especially the wireless kind, is going to be prone to lost signal. And I hate the pedestal that the iPhone has been put on (not by Apple, but by people who sound like that YouTube video..."it's not an iPhone, I want an iPhone...") because it's not the jesus phone they worship it to be. It's like any other, with the same defects.
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Because, every phone has reception problems, that is a given, but iPhone is limited by some additional factors that is not present in other phones.
1) Carrier choice - AT&T may simply offer poor reception in your area. Do your research to find out who offers the best reception in your area. There is not a definitive answer to this.
2) Hardware - the iPhone has a verified issue with it's hardware that may cause it's antennas to short out when you bridge the gap on the side of the phone. Purchase one of the many phones that offer better reception on it's respective network than the iPhone 4.
1) Carrier choice - AT&T may simply offer poor reception in your area. Do your research to find out who offers the best reception in your area. There is not a definitive answer to this.
2) Hardware - the iPhone has a verified issue with it's hardware that may cause it's antennas to short out when you bridge the gap on the side of the phone. Purchase one of the many phones that offer better reception on it's respective network than the iPhone 4.
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2) The antennae do not "Short out." You don't get a complete antenna failure when you bridge them, it merely weakens the signal.
And there's no evidence that the iPhone 4's issue is any different. (That's not to say it's *not* any different, but beyond it being confined to one tiny spot, the attenuation on the iPhone 4 isn't even as severe as say, a Nexus One.)
Proof: http://bit.ly/9g6zPs
That's a 30db drop.
And there's no evidence that the iPhone 4's issue is any different. (That's not to say it's *not* any different, but beyond it being confined to one tiny spot, the attenuation on the iPhone 4 isn't even as severe as say, a Nexus One.)
Proof: http://bit.ly/9g6zPs
That's a 30db drop.
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Antennas for cellphones are extremely fine tuned and adjusted for just the right amount of polarization to allow the optimum reception possible. Is it full proof? No. Every manufacturer knows this but takes every precaution and design possible to isolate a distortion created by a magnetic field.
The human body contains salt which is a very good conductor of electric. The body also produces electrical impulses and when connected to an expensive ohm meter, you can actually measure an amount of resistance through your body.
Since the antennas are finely tuned as to transmit and receive for the best possible result, they become very sensitive.Protecting it is essential. Holding a phone around the area of antenna will be effected by the bo...
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The human body contains salt which is a very good conductor of electric. The body also produces electrical impulses and when connected to an expensive ohm meter, you can actually measure an amount of resistance through your body.
Since the antennas are finely tuned as to transmit and receive for the best possible result, they become very sensitive.Protecting it is essential. Holding a phone around the area of antenna will be effected by the bo...
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1) I just linked you to a video that shows Apple's situation isn't any different. .
2) There's no crusade, You've shown no evidence that Apple's design is any better or worse as shown in the N1 video. We know the design is susceptible, but apparently so is everything else. That video showed a Nexus One's performance degrading far more than what's been witnessed on an iPhone 4 just by holding it in one's bare hand.
So why do you think Apple is off base?
You are wrong to imply that the iPhone 4's antenna design is any more or less susceptible to attenuation. There's no evidence that even though the antenna is exposed that it suffers more attenuation that other smartphones.
Therefore, you can't call it a design flaw.
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2) There's no crusade, You've shown no evidence that Apple's design is any better or worse as shown in the N1 video. We know the design is susceptible, but apparently so is everything else. That video showed a Nexus One's performance degrading far more than what's been witnessed on an iPhone 4 just by holding it in one's bare hand.
So why do you think Apple is off base?
You are wrong to imply that the iPhone 4's antenna design is any more or less susceptible to attenuation. There's no evidence that even though the antenna is exposed that it suffers more attenuation that other smartphones.
Therefore, you can't call it a design flaw.
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I will not allow this discussion to become addlepated by ignorance.
There is nothing to prove. I strongly urge you to Google Antenna theory. You will be exposed to mathmatic calculations that would better your understanding of how antennas work.
And quit sending me videos and articles of diluted opinionated information from Apple cheerleading Video Jockeys that are looking for handouts from Apple. It is counter-productive to the reality. I am much more intelligent than that. If I want a developer, I will contact you. If I want information on the engineering of life's realities, I will refer to reference books for my source of knowledge. That is how I was instructed in School.
John B.
There is nothing to prove. I strongly urge you to Google Antenna theory. You will be exposed to mathmatic calculations that would better your understanding of how antennas work.
And quit sending me videos and articles of diluted opinionated information from Apple cheerleading Video Jockeys that are looking for handouts from Apple. It is counter-productive to the reality. I am much more intelligent than that. If I want a developer, I will contact you. If I want information on the engineering of life's realities, I will refer to reference books for my source of knowledge. That is how I was instructed in School.
John B.
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There is a very simple solution. Just put an 8" rubber ducky antenna on top of the phone like Motorola did with the the old "Brick Phone". Then you can hold the phone any way you want, except by the antenna. Of course, some people would gripe that they wanted to hold the phone by the antenna and that cuts off reception. 🤣
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HelloMotto said:
I am just waiting for the fun to begin when Apple starts pointing the finger at AT&T’s network.
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u have a great point until
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