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Apple Distributes iOS 4.0.1 to Fix Antenna Software

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NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM

cleolicious

Jul 15, 2010, 5:27 PM
You can have the best antenna ever made in there and it's still not going to fix AT&T's suck ass service. Dude, seriously.. **** AT&T already. The iPhone's just not worth the nightmare of dropped calls I have to put up with daily. I swear if I ever see Steve Jobs I'm gonna bash his thick billionaire hippie skull against the wall of the nearest Verizon store until he ****in' gets it already.
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fahrende

Jul 15, 2010, 5:29 PM
It appears you are jealous that you couldn't get away with the same scheme. I'm sorry that you're not entitled to absolute perfection.
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 5:29 PM
Laughing
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fahrende

Jul 15, 2010, 5:36 PM
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cleolicious

Jul 15, 2010, 5:38 PM
You consider a corporate monopoly a step below perfection? I can understand the antenna issue. Shot happens. They fixed it. What I don't understand is forced to use a carrier that absolutely sucks. The number of iphone users who hat AT&T nearly all of them. It's a big issue. Even John Stewart ripped on it saying how that it's the greatest device ever but that "AT&T renders it' useless.. as a phone".
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fahrende

Jul 15, 2010, 5:57 PM
By what definition do you define "monopoly"?

You seem to define it as any corporation in which case, then every corporation is a monopoly.

I never made the claim that a corporation was a step below perfection. I merely stated that you're not entitled to perfection from Apple.

Furthermore, you are not entitled to purchase a product in whatever configuration you wish. In this case, that would be fully unlocked. Apple has decided along with ATT that this would be the configuration in which it would be sold.

A business exchange requires both parties to come to an agreement. The only entitlement you have as a consumer is to walk away from the purchase.
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cleolicious

Jul 15, 2010, 6:18 PM
Wow..Do you work for AT&T or something? Either that or if this was Star Wars you'd definitely be assembling aircrafts for the Death Star. Listen, I did not agree to being their customers based on a choice. There were no other options made available to me. It was a take it or leave it situation. And since I needed a good PDA I HAD to go with AT&T. Every cell carrier is the same. You want a particular phone, you have to go with that particular company. ONly after it's popularity so they allow another network to sell it as well. Just because that's "the way it is" doesn't make it right. It's f*cked up. Plain and simple. There's a bills written every day in congress trying to change that that always get shut down due to corporate lobbying. Don'...
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fahrende

Jul 15, 2010, 9:48 PM
First of all, I am not employed by ATT or have been at any time. Even if I was, would it make my argument any different?

I'm not too fond of ATT service, but I still use it because my company pays for it. I could pay extra to get my own service, but I don't really care to spend any more money.

You DID have an option. You mentioned it yourself. "Take it or leave it." You could have left it. Just because it was seen as an undesirable option does not make it a non-option.

ATT being the only carrier with "good" PDA is too subjective of an opinion to be an absolute.

With GSM phones, you also have the option of purchasing unlocked cell phones. My assumption is you don't really want to pay the unsubsidized price. Once again, ...
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cleolicious

Jul 15, 2010, 11:15 PM
LOL! I can't believe you actually wasted your time writing ALL that in a silly phone scoop forum. You're obviously just a right wing nut looking for any excuse to spew your politics. You're way off topic now, buddy. AT&T sucks. They should put it on Verizon. Period. There's nothing to argue there. Now go watch Glenn Beck, loser.
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georgemonavie

Jul 15, 2010, 11:24 PM
WOW Funny!!!
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fahrende

Jul 15, 2010, 11:34 PM
Once again, rather than posing an argument, you have chosen simply to insult me.

I would like to express my deepest gratitude for being given the opportunity to further hone my skills. The time I "waste" here goes to good user for the other things that I do.

If answering ALL your claims is off topic, I really don't know what on-topic is for you. For that matter, you're giving me an existential crisis.

If answering your claims correctly makes me a right wing nut job, then I can live with that.

FYI, I'm a libertarian nut job, and I don't like Glen Beck(or the Fox news channel).

This was fun.
Goodnight.
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justfinethanku

Jul 16, 2010, 10:47 AM
The fight for liberty won't end until people understand that they have to cast their votes with their wallet rather than for scumbag politicians who want to control private business.
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Slammer

Jul 16, 2010, 12:12 PM
Yet the same people that believe this stance such as yourself, will defend Steve Jobs and all his rhetoric. Interesting.
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SprintTech619

Jul 15, 2010, 5:47 PM
at&t service is crap! plus their plan for the i phone is rediculous! 69.99 everything data for the htc evo with a 10.00 upgrade for premium service is GREAT! NO RECALLS FOR THE EVO BUT CANT WAIT TILL IPHONE HAS A RECALL! I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY EVO! Laughing
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justfinethanku

Jul 15, 2010, 5:52 PM
really?
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Thefireballkid

Jul 15, 2010, 6:29 PM
to stand up for the iphone all day everyday?
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Poking Pixie

Jul 15, 2010, 6:37 PM
Be nice FBK. He doesn't have to deal with the iphone and stupid iphone people all day every day, so he's not jaded like we are. He seems to genuinely like his iphone.
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Thefireballkid

Jul 15, 2010, 7:03 PM
where this guy has bragged about how much better his phone is than everyone elses. he even accused rich of being against the iphone. im so sick of reading that stuff.
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Poking Pixie

Jul 15, 2010, 7:22 PM
Ok, point taken.
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justfinethanku

Jul 16, 2010, 10:48 AM
How about you post one. single. link.

Very Happy
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 7:51 PM
He thinks it's the best phone out on the market, if not one of the best.

And I agree. I'm able to even produce the attenuation issues, and although it's a valid point of concern (unlike what a lot of cheerleaders have said), it is not significant in my real world usage of the phone (and eliminated entirely with my case.)

Even knowing that the antenna is sensitive to being bridged in certain situations, I don't know of a better phone sold today. It's lightning quick, the software is of extremely high quality, its processor screams, the battery life is excellent, voice quality is superb, and that's not even mentioning Facetime (which actually works.)
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FknTwizted

Jul 15, 2010, 7:54 PM
get a moto droid x and you will poop yourself.
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justfinethanku

Jul 16, 2010, 10:59 AM
No seriously, I played with the Droid X yesterday and it was really really nice.

hopefully verizon gets a droid with a front facing camera and fring updates its software to be a little less tweaked-out, then we're talking!!!
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Thefireballkid

Jul 15, 2010, 8:11 PM
but he defends it every chance he gets.

all of you icustomers know how much most people that are knowledgeable about the wireless industry hate that phone. criticism is to be expected. i absolutely LOVE my htc incredible, but i dont go into every news report involving htc or verizon and talk about how much better my phone is than everyone elses.

and as far as the iphones go, the 3gs was the better device. i think you will agree with me there. i also dont go in here and talk about how much i hate the iphone or at&t. i keep my mouth shut and enjoy the phone i have.

im just getting sick of iphone users who think its the best phone in the world. im sorry, but the EVO is the best phone in the u.s. right now.
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 8:38 PM
No I think the 3GS is a significantly worse phone. It's not as fast, the screen is much worse, reception isn't as good, voice quality isn't as good, no Facetime, worse camera, etc. I'm willing to bet you haven't used an iPhone 4 personally or outside of an in-store display. He has.

He goes on the forums to correct the ignorant morons who talk crap about phones they don't own and/or know nothing about- the iPhone being a huge target because it's the trendsetter.

And the EVO is a significantly worse phone than the iPhone 4. It's larger, has a worse screen that is lower resolution, gets about 1/5th of the battery life, shipped with broken videoconferencing software, is slower than the iPhone 4, is friggin huge, runs an out-of-dat...
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mdana07

Jul 15, 2010, 9:15 PM
I completely agree with you. I sell cell phones and have used every smartphone that's on the market for every carrier. And because of where I work I get to spend a lot of time using them. And I was against apple for the last three years. But this iPhone 4 is great. No other phone operates like it. Not the evo not the droid x. People who are against them. Take the time and really use one. You won't be disappointed. But ofcourse if you aren't open minded then it won't matter.
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Thefireballkid

Jul 15, 2010, 9:19 PM
the evo DOES have the iphone 4 beat. now personally you may like the iphone 4 better. thats cool im not here to argue about which phone is better. all i was trying to say is that justfinethankyou goes out of his way to defend an overrated phone.

but again saying its overrated is my opinion.
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mdana07

Jul 15, 2010, 9:33 PM
My boss has the evo. It is a great phone no doubt about it. Great screen and blazing fast. But all that hardware is really a waste because android doesn't use even close to what has. The htc aria has a 600mhz processor I believe ( I could be mistaken) and it runs android exactly like the evo. Just as fast and just as friendly. Now the hd2 for tmobile that ran windows mobile that os showed amazing improvement backed by all that hardware. Smoothest winmo phone ever an if they made winmo phones like that this whole time we would see tons of them. But anyways hardware wise yes evo is superior in some ways (processor and screen size) but it's like putting windows 98 on a computer with an i7 processor and 8gb of ram. It's just for show. The fact ...
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justfinethanku

Jul 16, 2010, 10:57 AM
Dude, here you are, on an APPLE RELATED post touting your precious Evo. Please note the fact that I REALLY DON'T CARE ABUOT THE EVO. A lot of people do, but I'm not one of them.

I know you are not a fan of mine, but have you read my damn profile? I personally OWN 2 Android devices, how many do you have? I actively participate in the Android community and I absolutely love the software and a lot of the hardware.

I still prefer the iPhone.

If that somehow offends you that I have a different preference than you please, take it somewhere else. You are on this forum starting fights for what? How are your comments adding to this discussion except to provoke and attack me??

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Poking Pixie

Jul 15, 2010, 6:25 PM
Are you aware that Sprint's 69.99 for EVERYTHING plan only gives you unlimited minutes to call other cell phones? You only get like 400 minutes a month to call landlines, and while I know it's a hard concept to wrap your brain around, some people do still have landlines and people with cellphones call them.
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GeeksAreBest

Jul 16, 2010, 8:03 AM
You also only get that unlimited mobile to mobile...while on Sprint's home network. Not verizon partner coverage. So that means your actual calling area is effing ttiiiiiiny because Sprint's cellular footprint is tiny when you take out partner coverage.
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 7:42 PM
I'm sorry but Sprint's 4G signal is so finicky it's damn near useless.

Also hate to break it to you, AT&T's 3G network is now faster than Sprint's 3G *and* 4G network in the real world (maybe if they removed the 1mbps cap.)
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FknTwizted

Jul 15, 2010, 7:55 PM
blah blah blah and vzw is better of the both.... your point?
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 8:03 PM
Not here. If you want to make a call where I live with VZW you go outside.
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tbacba

Jul 15, 2010, 8:07 PM
Perhaps that's true where you live, but on this planet it's generally acknowledged that Verizon has better coverage.
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 8:41 PM
I find that to be a false- the same way I find "Google is more open" to be a load of crap too.

Most of the markets I hear people whine about AT&T's inferior service are markets where AT&T has the best coverage and most reliable service- people just like to bitch.
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 7:40 PM
"I swear if I ever see Steve Jobs I'm gonna bash his thick billionaire hippie skull against the wall of the nearest Verizon store until he ****in' gets it already."


Um what?


I've got news for you- unless you live in NYC or Alltel territory Verizon Wireless's service isn't anything to write home about. And throughout much of the country, AT&T's service is a helluvalot better.
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Mentat

Jul 15, 2010, 7:54 PM
agreed
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FknTwizted

Jul 15, 2010, 7:57 PM
in case you havent been all over the us att isnt all that my friend... i constantly have my iphone friends saying can i use your phone i have no service!
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bluecoyote

Jul 15, 2010, 8:01 PM
And I have Verizon Wireless users asking to use my phone because they keep dropping calls.

But I've been over much of the U.S. AT&T's network, especially with the iPhone 4. Not everywhere, but a lot of places yes. Not only is their coverage better, their network is fast as hell too.
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xanadul14619

Jul 19, 2010, 11:30 AM
Come to Western NY, and steer clear of rochester/buffalo/syracuse, drive around that whole part of the state and you'll soon realize why all these people have such a shoddy opinion of ATT. I'm glad that the service/phone works for you, but the REALITY is that the majority of the time unless your on major highways/metro areas no other carrier gives you crap for service other than verizon. Even then I've had me, a ATT friend with his Iphone, a sprint and tmobile pal all lose service for large periods on I390 and I90 both are HUGE highways for this half of state.... I have dropped 2 calls EVER on verizon no matter how far i was travelling, and one was in the middle of a lake in the adirondack mountains lol! The same friends lost service bef...
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Mentat

Jul 15, 2010, 8:09 PM
your user name proves you are incompetent and have no clue about the real world. So, I suggest leave your moms basement and travel. You will soon realize AT&T has great coverage along highways, in major cities and throughout major suburban areas. Not to mention their 2.5G service that covers virtually everywhere you would want to travel in the USA.

I have had AT&T for 12 years now and know through first hand experience that its a great network.
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muchdrama

Jul 15, 2010, 10:27 PM
bluecoyote said:
"I swear if I ever see Steve Jobs I'm gonna bash his thick billionaire hippie skull against the wall of the nearest Verizon store until he ****in' gets it already."


Um what?


I've got news for you- unless you live in NYC or Alltel territory Verizon Wireless's service isn't anything to write home about. And throughout much of the country, AT&T's service is a helluvalot better.


Which explains Consumer Reports' surveys every year: Verizon clearly offers better service according to respondents.
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bluecoyote

Jul 16, 2010, 12:23 AM
I'm going to oversimplify it like this:

A month back, locally both AT&T and Verizon's network experienced some heavy congestion- the data speeds on both networks slowed to a crawl. Going by twitter, the volume of local people bitching about AT&T vs. Verizon was about 20 to 1.

The results aren't accurate. They're skewed by some weird justification for sticking with Verizon despite being a fairly mediocre network. AT&T's runs more hot and cold, but outside of NYC and some areas on the West Coast (both of which admittedly have high concentrations of iPhone users) , Verizon's network isn't as good as AT&T's.

AT&T has the pickiest customers in the world. Verizon has the least. Verizon's customers put up with what I can best describe as ...
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muchdrama

Jul 16, 2010, 12:44 AM
bluecoyote said:
I'm going to oversimplify it like this:

A month back, locally both AT&T and Verizon's network experienced some heavy congestion- the data speeds on both networks slowed to a crawl. Going by twitter, the volume of local people bitching about AT&T vs. Verizon was about 20 to 1.

The results aren't accurate. They're skewed by some weird justification for sticking with Verizon despite being a fairly mediocre network. AT&T's runs more hot and cold, but outside of NYC and some areas on the West Coast (both of which admittedly have high concentrations of iPhone users) , Verizon's network isn't as good as AT&T's.

AT&T has the pickiest customers in the world. Verizon has the least. Verizon's customers put
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bluecoyote

Jul 16, 2010, 12:57 AM
You provide no evidence that Verizon has a better network, just that it's 'widely understood.' I'm saying that's bull.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_b ... »

But there you go.
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fahrende

Jul 16, 2010, 11:50 AM
Aggregate statistics are just that. Statistics about the aggregate. While it might be an indicator that overall one will have a better experience in network coverage, it does not guarantee it.

Ultimately you have to decide which is better. Is BMW better than Mercedes or vice versa? I really can't answer that in the absolute.
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2010, 1:22 AM
bluecoyote said:
You provide no evidence that Verizon has a better network, just that it's 'widely understood.' I'm saying that's bull.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/189592/atandt_roars_b ... »

But there you go.


Dude. Get your head out of your ass and peruse (at your leisure) the last, oh, 10 JD Power & Associates/Consumer Reports surveys/annual cell phone studies. Somehow you've missed them.
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T Bone

Jul 18, 2010, 6:13 PM
AT&T Customers are mostly iPhone customers?

Only about 6% of people on the AT&T network use the iPhone, and most of the sales of the iPhone 4 so far have been to existing iPhone customers, so there hasn't been much expansion, so that is a bit of an exaggeration there.

But AT&T does have more smartphones than any other network, not just in absolute numbers but as a percentage of total users...

This is largely because of all the corporate accounts as AT&T has contracts with Apple, Microsoft, Oracle, HP, with nearly every Fortune 500 company as well as the governments of more than 30 states and many major cities....and most of those customers use smartphones

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waldorfsalad

Jul 16, 2010, 6:25 AM
I'm not sure what you're basing that on. Consumer Reports seemed to have a different idea about who has the best network. Oh, but then, they also said they couldn't recommend the iphone 4, so they must be full of it, eh? Rolling Eyes
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bluecoyote

Jul 16, 2010, 11:03 AM
They also said the antenna issues weren't a big deal. Then they decided they were a big deal.
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waldorfsalad

Jul 16, 2010, 6:05 PM
When did they say the antenna issues WERENT a big deal? The video I saw said they flatly don't recommend it without a fix.
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