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You guys are going to regret getting your wish.

GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 1:21 AM
If AT&T is forced to left the unlock on the iPhone, they will stop subsidizing the iPhone. People will be paying $599 and $699 like they do over seas nad like the first iPhone. The iPhone 4 32GB is currently the most expensive PDA available. I personally could not afford one at the non-subsidized price.

T-Mobiles feeble network does the iPhone no justice, and because T-Mobile customers always complain how expensive everyone else is, I doubt very seriously they would pay the $599 or $699 price either.

Verizon will have the iPhone 4 in January, let's see if it will be unlocked so people could take it to the Sprint Network.
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 11:53 AM
Verizon won't have the iphone 4 in january.

Please explain to me, in what bizzaro world, does a JANUARY launch of a device that will sell MILLIONS of phones make sense?
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GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 2:10 PM
USA Today
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2010-06-30-iph ... »

CNET
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20009198-266.html »

When you have an existing interest in a product, it doesn't matter when you make it available, people will buy. Isn't that right around Income Tax refund check time? Android is nice but it still is not an iPhone. The Chrysler 300 is nice, but it still is not a Bentley Phantom.
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 2:26 PM
Ok, you've obviously NEVER worked in retail before.

Let me ask you this: In what season do most retail outlets make a MAJORITY of their income?

Christmas.

What month is AFTER christmas? January.

So again, why would a company release a product AFTER their largest selling season cannibalizing their holiday sales at best, at worst dealing with potentially MILLIONS in lost revenue from people returning/exchanging. not to mention all the idiots calling up customer service to explain how they deserve a "free" iphone.

The iphone WILL sell well no matter when it is launched, but no company, especially one as large as verizon, is going to launch it in the month where it would do the LARGEST amount of harm to their bottom line.

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shackguy22

Jul 11, 2010, 3:12 PM
Thank you for saying everything that I wanted to lol.... how anyone could believe such a ridiculous rumor is beyond me lol
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ccareatatt

Jul 11, 2010, 3:54 PM
We already know AT&T and apple have an agreement until 2012 since they had to reveal that in the california case awhile back. I found none of the verizon fans said a word when the iphone4 was officially announced with AT&T instead they came up with more rumors with different dates. As I say with everything I will believe it when I see it!
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 4:28 PM
I'd argue it's not Verizon fans spreading it, but rather APPLE fans who have no love for ATT (for whatever reason). Sure there are some Verizon only people rooting for it, but I think they're far from the majority of people doing so.
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GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 4:15 PM
I have worked regular retail and the cell phone market does not follow the regular retail market.

I work in the cell phone market know and people are cashing in there income check off of there last W2. Also the 5 year contract that AT&T has with Apple expires next year not this year before Christmas. So Verizon is suppose to wait months to sell a product that they can sell right away with little to no effort. By launching in January they can cash in on the iPhone 4 before the new iPhone releases in June/July. Yes they could wait till June/July for the new iPhone, but Verizon wants every customer they can get. So make a splash in January and another splash in June/July. And January they have less competition.
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 4:24 PM
It's not about competition, it's about RETURNS. They will get LESS customers with a January release than they would if they waited until June, not to mention the thousands (potentially millions) who won't upgrade in november/december like they were planning to, and might not get the iphone anyway because they stupidly thought it wouldn't require data/could get it BOGO. So that is a ton of lost sales for gains they would get NO MATTER WHEN THEY LAUNCHED THE PRODUCT.

Most of the people who would jump ship for the iphone have done so already, so holding out for another few months to make a bigger splash would cost them a LOT less than a january release would.

and blackfriday to christmas is HUGE for the cellphone industry, especially be...
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GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 4:49 PM
The BlackBerry Bold was released in January and AT&T did very well selling it, primarily to Business that get there new budget in January. You are only thinking consumer retail, there is a very large Corporate community that gets there new money in Q1, so you don't think that Verizon is not interested in signing new corporate business that just got there new budget for the year? Verizon had to wait 5 years to sell the hottest invention to ever be released and now you telling them that it is in there best interest to wait.

So you think that when the PS3 and Xbox 360 sold out in the 1st few days during Christmas, sales stopped in January.

Verizon is a Service Provider not a Cell Phone Manufacturer, they make there money off of providin...
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 5:13 PM
Your typical "apple rocks and sells well, so it doesn't matter when they sell it"

Does not work in this reality.

Oh, and the Blackberry Bold launched in NOVEMBER, not January. Notice that November is before Christmas. (the original bold launched in october) Google searching is your friend. So again, name one phone that launched in January that was a runaway success in January.

And business sales are not what we're talking about. Yes, it is important, but releasing an iphone in january would HURT consumer sales, which is still an overwhelming majority of their business. again, the cost has to be less than the gains and you've provided no evidence to prove that it is. On top of that, Verizon's phone launches

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Versed

Jul 11, 2010, 11:23 PM
The Blackberry Bold 9000 was released in November. I know, I bought one.
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 4:26 PM
Holiday sales.

Verizon, ATT, even Sprint and Tmobile posted stronger q4's than they did other quarters.

Cellphone sales are spread out more over the year, but EVERY cellphone rep I've talked to agrees that January sucks for cellphone sales.
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crammy1

Jul 12, 2010, 2:02 PM
im always in the performance improvement program by feb because of my performance in jan 🤣 🤣 🤣 😳 👀
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justfinethanku

Jul 12, 2010, 9:37 AM
in all fairness you can say the same of a June/July release. My worst sales months are, without exception, during those times.

I hope Verizon does get the iPhone soon. I won't have to cancel my girls contract!
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Menno

Jul 12, 2010, 9:53 AM
oh, june and july were meh for me as well. But it's not after a holiday, which helps, and also it's when apple releases their iphone, so there is the precinct,
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bp3dots1

Jul 12, 2010, 12:09 PM
GeekBro said:
Android is nice but it still is not an iPhone. The Chrysler 300 is nice, but it still is not a Bentley Phantom.



There's no such thing as a Bentley Phantom. It really helps you look credible when your examples actually exist.
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evrodude

Jul 11, 2010, 12:01 PM
Even if Verizon will carry some version of iPhone early next year it will not be relevant because Motorola Droid, HTC Incredible, Motorola Droid X, Motorola Droid 2 (when it comes out) and Samsung Fascinate (when it comes out) are and will be much better devices than anything Apple can come up with.
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Slammer

Jul 11, 2010, 12:06 PM
Still, Many on VZW will want to experience the mystery phone that has been so talked about.

However, I agree that Android is now on par if not surpassed the iphone in shear power, functionality and attractive aspects.
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Versed

Jul 11, 2010, 11:28 PM
Look, I have a Nexus One, but let me tell you this, better or not, the day VZW sells the iPhone, they will have the same in store kiosks like AT&T, you will have to walk past these iPhone kiosks and ads to get to the "Droid" section, the week they release it, the store personal will be wearing goofy combo Apple/VZW logo polo or tea shirts.

Better or worse is irrelevant. Its marketing.
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GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 2:05 PM
I felt the same way till I got my first iPhone. The way it functions and the amount of apps available that are not available on any other platform and the game play is incredible. I was not expecting the phone to be as useful as it is. There is plenty of power in this device, from being able to watch my favorite anime on Crunchyroll to having complete control of iTunes from my iPhone. Cars give you control of your iPod/iPhone from the steering wheel or stereo. The accessories alone blows any other device away. Do they have a Nike shoe to track your workout for the Android. I could go on and on.
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 2:36 PM
but I wouldn't advise it.

The accessories/integration exist because it was the first smartphone marketed at consumers/teens instead of businesses, not because of some innate "benefit" of the platform that makes these things easier to produce. The UI was created for typical consumers, and typical consumers buy a lot of crap (crap being quantity not quality here). As android adoption picks up, more importantly as other OS's come to power (so there isn't just one consumer OS) these accessories WILL support a broader range of devices, or risk locking out a huge potential market.

Games are the same way. The games exist because of the ipod TOUCH, not because of the phone per say. again. It's simple market share. Because the iOS was on ...
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TechWorld Observer

Jul 11, 2010, 2:40 PM
I continue to agree with you Menno (those are actual facts speak, not non-sense)

-ThechWorld Observer
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GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 4:29 PM
You still don't get it. A majority of the accessories that work on an iPod, work on a iTouch/iPhone. Being in retail a manufacturer has to produce merchandise hoping that it will sell, with Apple the car charger they made 3 years ago is still being sold and used today, they do not have to spend more money to recreate a new product.

Auto manufacturers believe in a simple universal approach. I have installed plenty of car equipment, you are doing well to have an aux input to allow you to plug in your external music device. Since the iPod, iTouch and iPhone are using the same interface that has been available for years, it was easy for them to integrate into there systems. By having a standard, it is easy for others to produce products ...
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 4:39 PM
1. again, you are talking simple marketshare economics, which is WHAT I WAS SAYING. If apple changed their charging port every year, design companies would STILL produce for it because it was the only consumer smartphone OS. And they did have to alter their products between iphone/ipod/etc products, specifically those that used docs

So basically what you're doing is agreeing with me, but you can't do that, so you reword stuff.

All modern android devices have the same charging ports, only certain devices (older HTC phones) use the older standard (that was also used by WINMO and blackberry). Infact, Blackberry, WINMO, Palm, and Android devices all use the same basic connectors, apple is the ONLY one that insists on proprietary connec...
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 5:15 PM
Slight correction there.

The point is, is that Apple continues to become ONE of the players in the consumer OS department, not the only player, accessory companies will try and make their products hit as many people as possible.

Yes, apple is trying to actively block this, but they can only do so for so long.
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GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 5:28 PM
"again, you are talking simple marketshare economics, which is WHAT I WAS SAYING. If apple changed their charging port every year, design companies would STILL produce for it because it was the only consumer smartphone OS. And they did have to alter their products between iphone/ipod/etc products, specifically those that used docs"

Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, and others would not be implementing iPod/iTouch/iPhone integration into there vehicles if Apple changed there interface every year. It would cost way to much money to retool an assembly line for a product they don't sell. Because Apple is consistent with there interface they are able to implement the interface in there assembly line knowing that the same interface will be there year...
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 6:03 PM
You really can't agree with anyone can you?

Wires ARE archaic for MEDIA PLAYBACK. What in the world does this have to do with Chargers?

If apple changed their wired plugs every year, chevy, BMW, etc could all develop wireless players (wifi, bluetooth, etc) instead, or just make it so the plug in wire could be swapped as it changed. The car playback tech developed the way it was because apple was the key player at the time, NOT because it was the only "standard."

And even if a car company DID make a plug for Micro USB devices, it would fit EVERY new android, WINMO, Palm, and Nokia device on the market. Again, apple is the only hold out of the the TRUE charging standard.

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GeekBro

Jul 11, 2010, 6:56 PM
You keep dodging the issue, I have a plug that plugs into my iPhone that charges it and streams audio directly to my car stereo with that one plug. I am not using the stereo headphone connector.

This same connector allows me to do so many different things that no other device can do. Android falls inline with every other device out there, Apple has made a special niche for themselves that has separated them from everyone else. I thought similarly to you until I purchased my 1st iPhone this year. I build computers and have had just about every PDA. Until you take the time, about 2 weeks or more, to truly explore all the iPhone can do, you will never truly understand.
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 7:14 PM
I barely touch it now that I have my android. It's a nice little toy, and yes, the stereo system I have for it is pretty awesome (which, by the way, won't charge the newest ipod touches, so so much for similar standards) but the device itself is nothing special. I can do everything I want to do on my ipod on my android phone, and my android phone does so much more.

I understand BOTH operating systems, you clearly don't. The ONLY advantage the ipod has over other systems is the stupidly easy itunes sync, but that's also it's greatest disadvantage because of how it locks a consumer into their ecosystem, which is great for them, not for the consumer.

And just because apple does it that way doesn't make it the best or "superior." Locki...
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Slammer

Jul 12, 2010, 8:36 AM
"Until you take the time, about 2 weeks or more, to truly explore all the iPhone can do, you will never truly understand."

I actually did this. While the phone was a milestone in operability, I grew tired of being behind the curve in terms what everyone else was enjoying.

IPhone users are so intrigued with the elite status symbol it has brought to their lifestyle, that they have completely ignored the fact that Android users are employing more lucrative returns in terms of freedom,choices and the everyday practices of their lifestyles.

It would be very wise not to preach about what the iPhone can do when in fact, Android can accomplish the same mission while not being tied to a proprietary leash of dictatorship.

John B
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CellStudent

Jul 12, 2010, 5:52 PM
...he's simply explained a simple workaround that everyone in the industry except for Apple is adapting to.

For short range communications, basically anything less then 100 feet, wireless transmissions are more effective then any cabled system in existence. The only thing a cellphone/ipod/iPhone/stereo/laptop does that can be accomplished more effectively by using an actual cord is recharging the battery. Until you get into the realm of super super high video and audio streaming, cables just aren't needed for short range transmissions anymore.
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Menno

Jul 11, 2010, 6:06 PM
has been a "standard" since portable media players (cassette tapes)

It took them so long to add it because high capacity media storage (mp3 players and phones) are still a pretty new market, and up until very recently, it was all about the radio, mixed tapes, and CD's.
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justfinethanku

Jul 12, 2010, 9:34 AM
Pretty much makes Android devices, and any device with a headphone jack, universally adopted with most vehicles being produced today.

(admittedly, ALL iPhones have a headphone jack, but the point remains that most Android devices are all pretty capable of being used with accessories.)
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Menno

Jul 12, 2010, 10:01 AM
indeed. But what he's arguing about is being able to control your tunes with some controls on your car,which you need more than an Aux cable for sadly.

still think wireless will be the future.
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TechWorld Observer

Jul 12, 2010, 10:59 AM
Menno said:
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still think wireless will be the future.


I think so too!
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TechWorld Observer

Jul 12, 2010, 10:52 AM
GeekBro said:
[...]A majority of the accessories that work on an iPod, work on a iTouch/iPhone. Being in retail a manufacturer has to produce merchandise hoping that it will sell, with Apple the car charger they made 3 YEARS ago is still being sold and used today, they do not have to spend more money to re-"create" a new product.

Auto manufacturers believe in a simple universal approach ("No relevant, this is Phonescoop not Autoscoop" TW-O). I have installed plenty of car equipment("again, not relevant" TW-O)[...]. Since the iPod, iTouch and iPhone are using the same interface that has been available for YEARS, it was easy for them to integrate into there systems. [...]
[..."blah, blah, blah" TW-O] There is no con
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Kayslay34

Jul 12, 2010, 10:26 AM
Isn't the HTC X9000 the most expensive phone, not sure if HTC still sells it but it was like 1500 dollars a year ago.
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crammy1

Jul 12, 2010, 4:08 PM
there are a lot of other phones that would cost you $10,000 or even more... mostly europeans and asians(middle east) would buy them, check this out ... http://www.gsmarena.com/the_million_dollar-re view-399.php

🤤 their not high end though... just luxury materials(leather, diamonds and the like)
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