Nokia Files Second Lawsuit Against Apple

He may be comparing apples to oranges Menno, but I read somewhere that Apple made a 90 percent profit with their iphone. While I find this quite high for a large company, it sort of backs the validity of many individual's opinions of the iphone being over priced.

I was wondering if you heard similar?

JB

I've heard that it's high.. Don't think it would be 90%.. but who knows.. it is apple

The comparison is pretty simple...Apple makes popular products and Nokia doesn't. Admit it, it is desperation in its simplest form. Anyway which way you look at it, Apple's products are more popular than Nokia's based on durability, design and dependability. It all amounts to an accurate analogy.

Apple sold a whole heck of a lot less phones than Nokia so that argument is really flawed! All you have proven is that they have higher priced items that make them more money, not anything to do with popularity. Nokia is still the biggest phone manufacturer in the world, and Apple is in no way close to breaking that. Nokia just wants a peice of their pie, not out of jealousy but just plain greed!

And he wasn't talking about popularity. he was comparing Revenue to Retail.. which is a bad analogy.

If you read the post I responded to, he very specifically was comparing popularity!

"Apple makes popular products and Nokia doesn't. Admit it, it is desperation in its simplest form. Anyway which way you look at it, Apple's products are more popular than Nokia's based on durability, design and dependability. It all amounts to an accurate analogy."


I dont see revenue anywhere in that post!

And I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to him responding to Me pointing out that revenue does not equal retail (what this topic was about).

He was responding to this post by me

Why are you comparing Revenue (which includes data payments, royalties from carriers, etc)to the sale price of a device?

They are apples and oranges

I don't see anything about popularity there, do you?

So HE (and thus You) were offtopic, not I.

oh LOL nvm

Apple fans would sever limbs just to buy an Apple product. I however, would not.

Whether Nokia's products pale to Apple's or not, does not take away that Nokia's patents might actually have been violated.

By your definition, No company has the right to sue another if their products are inferior to the one they're suing?

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Apple fans would sever limbs just to buy an Apple product. I however, would not.

Whether Nokia's products pale to Apple's or not, does not take away that Nokia's patents might actually have been violated.

By your definition, No company has the right to sue another if their products are inferior to the one they're suing?

I guess Motorola has the right to clean everyone's clock on mobile devices, for they were the first to the plate on mobile devices. And btw, I think both Nokia and Apple are patent trolling.

...Apple's products are more popular than Nokia's based on durability...

Almost forgot that iPhones are world renowned for their near Military-Spec ruggedness and resistance to damage by droppage. And that NOKIA phones are more fragile than kittens.

Wait, this IS sarcasm right? I just needed to make sure

I am posting how much the average iPhone brings apple compared to the average Nokia phone brings Nokia.

If apple sells an iPhone it makes Apple $650, consumers are perfectly happy paying that. Sure you will find some people say that iPhones are to expensive and are happy buying junk phones.

Nokia on the other hand has to give their phones away to sell them. further showing the world how lousy their products are.

Yes, and it is apples to oranges.

You are comparing how much apples MAKES to how much nokia sells the phone FOR.

It's really not a difficult concept.

When apple sells a phone, not only do they get the RETAIL cost of that device (remember, they are selling them subsidized, so they never let a phone out of their docks for 199) So this is around 500+. Then they get the royalty checks from the carriers for the "honor" of carrying the device, and they get a portion (and a large portion at that) of that customer's monthly service.

You are comparing that to how much a store charges for a nokia device.

The two are COMPLETELY different.

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I dont expect you to know much about the GSM industry or foreign pricing so I will forgive you there.

http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/all;jsessioni ... »

they offer EVERY phone for free based on MRC. so the price on a contract is the same between Apple and Nokia in 80% of the world. People choose apple because they want a quality device from a quality company with a High standard for software. Nokia offers none of those things. Apple charges Carriers $650+ per device and carriers are happy with that. Nokia has to GIVE the phones to carriers to have their product offered.

please stop following me around i am getting tired of pwning you.

Apples and Oranges.

You were comparing the REVENUE apple gets for their phone to the SALE Price of the device.

I'm not following you around. You can't keep off of any topic that smells like a chance for you to bash someone who isn't apple.

This link:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/194763/nokia_profit_a ... »

Was Talking SALES PRICE, not revenue, not how much Nokia got from carriers. Then you link an Article from Bnet that discusses REVENUE not retail. You are comparing apples to oranges.

And on top of that, they make a ton of money in flip phones, which HEAVILY skews their numbers.

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http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10004900/apples- ... »

Some gems:

"Interestingly, Apple still avoids giving a per-unit revenue figure"

And then there is the conclusion:

If we divide that number by the 8,737,000 units, we get $625.71 per unit. Now add the $21.88 subscription revenue and the total is $647.59 per unit. Again, this includes all money the carriers pay and all accessories revenue, whether Apple-branded or third-party royalties. It probably does not include app revenue, and there’s no way to tell from Apple’s public numbers what portion Apple attributes to the hardware sale itself. The result does make me wonder how much, at least, the average iPhone use

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