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Apple May Face Inquiry Over Flash Compiler Ban

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You've got to be kidding me...

JeffdaBeat

May 3, 2010, 10:15 AM
This is starting to get ridiculous. Apple's decision to not allow flash in their programing is their choice. I understand the sentiment comes from what seems like Apple's determination of getting rid of Flash completely and pushing towards HTML5 (which would leave Adobe without some serious money), but what Apple does with their products is their decision.
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ads1525

May 3, 2010, 10:40 AM
but i have to agree
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kingstu

May 3, 2010, 10:49 AM
It is about them requiring you to use apple tools to write apple apps. Their marketshare is getting quite large and if I have to buy a Mac to write an iphone app just because they say so and not because it is needed, that should sound illegal. They won't be able to keep their totalitarian control and keep growing. I'm surprised the EU hasn't done something similar.
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JeffdaBeat

May 3, 2010, 12:52 PM
But Apple isn't some monolith in the smartphone. It's not like the market share Microsoft had on computer OS. Yes, a lot of people have the iPhone, but a lot of people also have Android, Blackberry, and to a lesser extent Palm and Symbian. Developers and consumers have so many choices. Generally I hate the saying, "If you don't like it, leave" because most of the time, there is no equal. But the iPhone does everything that a Blackberry and an Android phone can do.

I'm a fan boy of Apple, but I think we need to let Apple hurt themselves. Eventually developers won't want to deal with Apple and their standards and op for other App stores instead. I know this is going to happen.
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CellStudent

May 3, 2010, 1:26 PM
Even the great fanboi of Mr. Jobs needs to recognize the purely Draconian nature of the Adobe compiler decision.

This is akin to Apple yanking The Diary of Anne Frank of the iBook shelves because, you know, it was originally written in German or Polish or something. The full persuasiveness of the book is damaged in the English translation, so we need to protect the consumers from themselves and simply refuse to make it available.

If Apple wants to reject code because it's bad code, that's one thing. Examine the code and reject bad code.

They should not have the flexibility to demand that all code be written without the use of translation tools.

I'm with Adobe.
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en102

May 3, 2010, 5:16 PM
Apple isn't taking 'sides' - they're just not making the iPhone an open platform for development. I could go and tell Nokia that I want to write flash for their Nokia 1260 (POS), and bring them to court if they don't comply.

While I don't like Apple making the iPhone/iPad/iPod a locked platform (reminds me of Qualcomm's BREW GIN vs. Java), their control of how the device performs has kept it somewhat functional. This brings it to be the "you're getting a service vs. a product that you own" idea.

Those that want Flash can always go to WinMo, Blackberry, Nokia S60, Android, webOS, PalmOS, etc. There are other vendors.
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Menno

May 3, 2010, 6:34 PM
This IS NOT about flash on the ipad/iphone. This is about someone building an app in a flash builder and then using a compiler like the one in CS5 to translate it into native apple code.

So this is like you going to apple and saying "I want to make a game for OSX leopard, but my servers will run off of Linux." and apple informing you that any servers you made to support your software HAD to be running OSX as well.
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dave73

May 3, 2010, 9:45 PM
This is why I refuse to own a Mac and an iPhone. People always talk about Microsoft having complete control over the operating systems on most computers, while Apple has always gotten a pass Apple lock down their products a lot more than Microsoft does. I see nothing wrong with supporting HTML 5, but there are websites that still use Adobe Flash. Without it, that prevents people from being able to properly view websites that use Adobe Flash. I had that problem on my Windows PC using Firefox with earlier versions that didn't support flash. Since Apple won't change how they operate, I have no desire to own a Mac computer and won't get an iPhone either.
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CellStudent

May 3, 2010, 6:50 PM
en102 said:
Apple isn't taking 'sides' - they're just not making the iPhone an open platform for development. I could go and tell Nokia that I want to write flash for their Nokia 1260 (POS), and bring them to court if they don't comply.

While I don't like Apple making the iPhone/iPad/iPod a locked platform (reminds me of Qualcomm's BREW GIN vs. Java), their control of how the device performs has kept it somewhat functional. This brings it to be the "you're getting a service vs. a product that you own" idea.

Those that want Flash can always go to WinMo, Blackberry, Nokia S60, Android, webOS, PalmOS, etc. There are other vendors.



Please, remind me where I mentioned anything related to FLASH in my ...
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Jayshmay

May 3, 2010, 4:59 PM
Good point! Andy Rubin refered to Apple as North Korea, for being so closed. I kinda got a kick out of his analogy.
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Slammer

May 3, 2010, 10:50 AM
I agree with you on intervention. However, Steve Jobs is doing the same thing that Apple supporters do not want from the government. Dictatorship.

I say let Apple dictate to their customers what they will need to wait for rather than allow them to enjoy what everyone has now. Sooner or later, the new generation of Apple fans will get tired of Apple's old ways of running things like many of us did years ago.

I am so glad I am not an Apple customer anymore. Maybe HTML5 is going to be better, But at least flash is something that I can and do use even with it's deficiencies until the better arrives. I don't know why people can not see this logic. .
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Menno

May 3, 2010, 11:09 AM
It's not them blocking flash, it's them blocking people from building an app in flash and then compiling it in native code
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Jayshmay

May 3, 2010, 5:24 PM
Is this Bluecoyote BS true? That the more Android embraces flash, the less open Android will be?

http://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff=5 ... »
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Menno

May 3, 2010, 6:11 PM
No it's not. It would only be true if they adopted flash to the exclusion of other options (HTML5/Silverlight) and they're not, at least not in HTML5's case.

As long as Nokia, RIM, and Microsoft don't block flash on their mobile devices, Air Apps will be cross platform
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Jayshmay

May 3, 2010, 6:27 PM
HTML5 is bult into Androids web browser, right? I don't really know what exactly is the benefit of HTML5 though.
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Menno

May 3, 2010, 6:30 PM
HTML5 allows for very complex websites that don't rely on plugins. (Similar to flash, but without plugins or the like. everything is coded in the website, not some other program)

go to images.google.com and search for something. Then click on a result. (in native browser) you'll get an HTML5 "app" that makes the search results act like they were on your phones image gallery complete with swipe to move.
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Jayshmay

May 4, 2010, 3:42 PM
Here, maybe you should responde to this. What do I have to say other than that he's drunk on Apple koolaid?

http://www.phonescoop.com/news/discuss.php?fm=m&ff=5 ... »
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Larrys7791

May 3, 2010, 12:31 PM
So if I don;t want to buy a car I should anyway because it will put people to work?? That makes no sense.
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RockTripod

May 3, 2010, 12:52 PM
Um, what?
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Jayshmay

May 3, 2010, 5:10 PM
I though the same thing when I read that post, I thought what the heck is that all about?!!?
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Jayshmay

May 3, 2010, 4:55 PM
I agree.
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