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Causes WAY more problems than it solves

bluecoyote

Apr 9, 2010, 5:46 PM
Generous built in Flash memory is a far better option.

1) The OS can hot-swap to built-in flash memory for things like application caching, OS caching, etc. Can't do that with an external memory card.

2) Developers can't assume that that memory is always present, so they're limited to whatever is built into the phone. (Android devs know this the hard way). If I've got an app running off of a memory card and my phone loses contact with it, I've gotta write in a way for it to wait until it detects the card again so a user doesn't have to re-launch an app. P.S. that stinks.

3) Memory card readers fail. I'm sorry, this isn't an "if" , but a "when." The more you use them, the more crud that gets in the contacts, the more they wear out. ...
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Rich Brome

Apr 10, 2010, 12:44 PM
You're assuming people want to use it to swap often, as a way to store more files or move files around.

What about the appeal of manufacturing one device that has complete flexibility with regard to price vs. memory? The carrier can decide at any time to offer it cheaply, with no (or small) memory included, or for a little more, with a generous card pre-installed. Likewise, a consumer can buy it cheaply, or buy it cheaply and then add as much memory as they need, paying only as much as they need to, then just leave that card in the phone for good.

Manufacturers often design for this, which is why you still see them sometimes putting the card under the battery, etc. That way they can still do the OS memory tricks you mentioned, since ho...
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Azeron

Apr 10, 2010, 2:56 PM
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This is going to be good! I am eagerly awaiting bluecoyote's erudite response.
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evrodude

Apr 11, 2010, 12:15 AM
LOL 🤣
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bluecoyote

Apr 11, 2010, 2:44 AM
"What about the appeal of manufacturing one device that has complete flexibility with regard to price vs. memory?"


We're hitting the age of 8-16GB standard on many midrange to high-end phones (see Palm Pre Plus on Verizon.) I'm willing to guess the money saved cheaping out on internal memory and installing a card reader + bundling a memory card is small potatoes now and is likely to get smaller since phone OS's are more robust. So I'm not buying it from a hardware perspective.

Putting the card under the battery
Although this discourages hot swapping, this doesn't change the fact that it's vulnerable to losing contact. (Yup, it happened in my NGage and almost every S60 device I've owned from back in...
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Azeron

Apr 11, 2010, 8:53 AM
Good to see that you didn't slink away on this one. Kudos. I still think that you are NUTS however. No one says that a manufacturer HAS to "cheap out on internal memory". They could still choose to include those "vital OS or application resources" in internal memory. Once again you attempt to make something that the iphone can't do a negative. Are you on the payroll? Seriously, I want to see the iphone on Verizon as much as the next VZW customer (well...maybe not as much as Scott...) so obviously I am not an iphone hater, but you and this agenda you have are just tiresome. Face facts...an external card gives the user more options. Next you'll be telling me that not being able to remove one's battery is a good thing, too.
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bluecoyote

Apr 11, 2010, 12:20 PM
"Once again you attempt to make something that the iphone can't do a negative."

1) I didn't mention the iPhone once. But the iPhone's a great example as to the 'less is more' mentality. In fact, it's funny that the things the iPhone doesn't have (removable battery, etc.) are often problems for other devices (Palm Pre and Motorola Droid.) Think it's just Apple? ....

2) Let's put it this way- in their OS rewrites, both Palm and Microsoft axed reliance on external memory cards.

3) Ok, so how much internal memory should a manufacturer include? 8GB? 16GB? Then who's going to care about a card reader? I think it'd be a bigger inconvenience to have to have files split up between directories. The built in memory...
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Overmann

Apr 12, 2010, 10:17 AM
If your phone takes a dip in the water, at which it will find out that the title "Super Drowning Skills" can only outmatched by Sonic the Hedgehog, your 16 GB of internal memory is toast, gone, dead, lost forever. Unless you can get your phone dried out and revived. Which is a low chance.

With SD memory, there is a good probability of the card being undamaged, and it can be recovered.
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bluecoyote

Apr 12, 2010, 4:07 PM
That's true, but if you synchronize your phone regularly (ala iPhone) you're able to restore down to the very last detail. Pretty nice.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2010, 2:40 AM
"I didn't mention the iPhone once"

You didn't have to. Your past agenda speaks for itself and anyone who has observed your posts here already knows what you are going to say before you say it. Face facts, man.
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irockash

Apr 11, 2010, 12:34 PM
I've always preferred memory cards as a back up, and have yet to have one fail on me (granted, I've only had 2 in the past 4 years).

It's more convenient when you're switching phones, or if you need a replacement.

Also, what phone doesn't support mass storage mode these days?
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