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Anyone care to make predictions????

justfinethanku

Apr 5, 2010, 11:19 AM
What will iPhone 4.0 bring to the iPhone???

It sounds like a major overhaul... but is it?

I like the idea of multitasking, and maybe some customization tweeks *crosses fingers for something as simple as backgrounds*

I'd also like to see a way to respond to a text message right from the pop-up window, AND a way to make text pop-ups less intrusive. (kind of like the way the pre handles texting)

what do you think?
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ecycled

Apr 5, 2010, 11:34 AM
apple will do what they did with the ipad, announce something magical....but it still won't do flash 🀣
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compta5

Apr 5, 2010, 11:37 AM
yeah it wont do flash...........probably support html 5.38947838437493282^1 beta
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WernerCD

Apr 5, 2010, 12:34 PM
I can honestly say... meh.

Cell phones don't interact the same way as you interact on a computer. So the flash games that rely on mouse-over (or other similar input schemes)... have problems playing on a cell phone - which don't have that type of interaction.

Plus all the vulnerabilities associated with flash...

For all the reasons to hate Apple, not having flash is low on my list personally. I could care less.
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justfinethanku

Apr 5, 2010, 1:01 PM
This actually makes a lot of sense.

although, I would like to watch Hulu on my iPhone every once in a while.
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WernerCD

Apr 5, 2010, 1:58 PM
As phones become more important, and flash becomes a more obvious "bad" choice for streaming video - big players will create other options - or maybe Adobe will create a conversion process/player that's more phone-centric

HTML5 is supposed to help standardize this, amoungst other things.

Once the big players (YouTube, Facebook, etc) move away from flash - because they want in on the iPhone/Android/Palm/etc market as well - hopefully we'll see less and less issues with flash being "needed".

Also... Why would Apple support Flash when that would directly eat into their sales?

Sure... lets go thru the process and solve all the problems - using costly man hours - to create a platform on the iPhone/iPad that will do what? Enable you to...
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 2:47 PM
Flash isn't a "bad choice" for mobile. They've shown time and again that it's MUCH better at rendering and it also requires less system resources. HTML5 might be the future, but we're a ways off from it being completely viable.

Oh, and future revisions of Chrome will Natively support flash, so it won't require a plugin. I'm also sure that once it's part of the browser, the chance of it being used for attacks will go down because Chrome sandbox's itself.

and Flash10.1 (the newest flash update) exists BECAUSE it's mobile centric. It's developed to allow developers to make their games and apps finger friendly.

HTML5 is nice, but it is still far away from being a viable alternative to flash.
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bluecoyote

Apr 5, 2010, 3:35 PM
Flash is a horrible choice for mobile. It's a horrible choice for video as well- if you need proof, watch how well H.264 video works on the iPad- Flash doesn't work that well on a high-end $3,000.00 rendering workstation.

Adobe's been downright lazy optimizing Flash video playback- if you need further proof watch a 1.4ghz Powerbook struggle with 480p video encoded in flash but have no problem with H.264 720p. Yeah they're improving stuff now but 5 years of lazy development and it's too late.

(it's not just OS-specific, Chrome on Windows 7 stutters when encountering Flash embeds on my Netbook.)
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 3:41 PM
1. That is because apple built an HTML5 player into their browser

2. You can't use a powerbook as an example. Steve jobs won't let them hardware accelerate flash on any apple product, mobile or otherwise. But even with that caveat, the ONLY configuration that allows html to use less resources than Flash is on a mac using Safari. ANY other configuration (mac or PC) has flash using less resources.

Boy genius just linked to an article that showed this.

Don't call flash lazy if steve was making them swim with only one arm behind their back.
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bluecoyote

Apr 5, 2010, 11:56 PM
2. Ok, go read the JooJoo tablet review on Engadget if you think it's the fault of Steve Jobs. Oh yeah, Hardware acceleration is still "in progress." That doesn't cut it and that's a lousy excuse.

And it's not platform specific- I have no problems playing 720p H.264 video in VLC on my EEEPC, but Hulu is out of the question.

And I don't know where you get this stupid idea that adding a Flash wrapper to an H.264 file uses less CPU resources. There's no simpler way to put it- you're wrong and have no idea what you're talking about.
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Menno

Apr 6, 2010, 12:42 AM
2. Hardware acceleration is in progress for Joojoo, it is almost completed with android. joojoo uses a custom build of Linux


Since you have a selective memory:
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/03/11/does-adobe ... »

But then again, you probably won't read it again since this is the what? third time I've linked this article?

That BGR report took the numbers from Readwriteweb:
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_real ... »

Mac Tests

    With Safari
, HTML5 was the most efficient and consumed less CPU than Flash using only 12.39% CPU. With Flash 10.0, CPU utilization was at 37.41% and with Flash 10.1, it dropped to
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bluecoyote

Apr 6, 2010, 11:27 AM
Did you bother reading the little disclaimer at the article's beginning? Or any of the red flags? Let's cut to the chase- the article is comparing GPU-accelerated Flash (which although it saves CPU cycles is known to eat battery life ) and then asking if Flash really is a "CPU Hog."

The article is also written by a known Flash evangelist. And I don't want to call BS on the numbers but I don't think Ars Technica would be impressed by this fine bit of reporting.

1) Did you catch the obvious red flag that Safari 4 Windows "couldn't play the HTML5 video?" (Load of bull.)

2) The article claims Flash is inefficient on Macs because Apple doesn't allow access to private API's? Then why is CPU usage for the same videos d...
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Menno

Apr 6, 2010, 12:55 PM
There have been numerous videos and releases about flash 10.1 (hardware accelerated) on android showing it isn't the massive drain on battery life you're showing

and how is someone who runs a streaming video site a known flash evangelist? the guy who showed it on android is one, but he openly admits it. The one who tested the results on a computer is not.

Or are you claiming cameron adams is a "known flash evangelist" as well?


1)actually, if you google it, it seems a lot of people are having issues getting it to work under Win7. For that matter, html5 video looks downright blocky in Chrome if you're watching it on anything bigger than a phone screen.


2) alright... an HTML5 is built into safari's browser (meaning it has ac...
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Menno

Apr 6, 2010, 12:59 PM
man in blue a flash evangelist?

That's why I posts about how excited he is about the apple tablet?
Wouldn't a flash evangelist write it off completely?
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WernerCD

Apr 5, 2010, 5:23 PM
Flash playing video doesn't solve the different platforms tho.

Unless you know how to get games that rely on mouse-overs to play with iPhone/iPad (or similar) inputs.

Also doesn't mean anything without platform support.

Chrome could have the best thing since sliced bread - but if Apple/Palm/Android/7/BB doesn't support them, that lead really doesn't matter for my phone.

And for a closed platform, like Apple, that refuses to enable anything *NOT* Apple in it's "core" areas... *Shrug*

I know H5 has issues... but it's going to get more support, progress and work than Flash will. Unless Adobe pulls something out of their hat.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 5:27 PM
10.1 is designed from the ground up around mobile/touch input.

That's what I'm trying to say. they ARE pulling something out of their hat, but apple's marketing machine is just pushing right by it, so most people are unaware about what's going on (since most tech blogs are admitted apple fans)

10.1 is a mobile flash, so the "issues" you present won't be issues with it.
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WernerCD

Apr 5, 2010, 5:36 PM
Yeah... I kinda suspect Adobe would work on something to fix some issues - can't keep track of everything πŸ™‚

But good, bad or indifferent the question is moot if the platform doesn't support it - and with none of the major platforms supporting it, it's simply irrelevant until supported.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 6:23 PM
Android, Blackberry, WinMO7, webOS, and Nokia all have teams at adobe working with porting 10.1 to their platform. the Only platform holding out is apple
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bluecoyote

Apr 5, 2010, 3:41 PM
He's honestly right. If you've used the iPad-optimized sites that are using H.264 and HTML5 (such as CNN or the New York Times) , the overall experience is far superior. None of that awful lag or stuttering, none of the improper loading, none of the Flash bogging down the system resources.

Flash will never be that good.

Apple's stance is for developers to re-write their sites to fit HTML5's standards, rather than try to bridge it with legacy technology. Good for them- they're killing Flash and the overall experience of browsing the web becomes better for everyone (even those of you with Android and Palm handsets.)
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TechWorld Observer

Apr 5, 2010, 2:22 PM
...Flash would be nice!... 🀀
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 3:28 PM
the iphone won't get flash. Steve won't give adobe the access to the OS they need to make it efficient, and thats why he calls them lazy.

You'll have to wait for them to get HTML5 up to a point where it can play 720/1080p
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bluecoyote

Apr 5, 2010, 3:36 PM
You mean like right now currently?

BTW, you're aware that Adobe wrote a version of Flash (using private API's) for the iPhone and showed it off to Apple. The battery life was something around 30 minutes. Ridiculous.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 3:42 PM
and you're aware that their current development for android has no noticeable drain on the battery compared to other browsing experience, right?

So either 1) the iphone is inefficient, or 2) adobe continue to develop. I'm guessing it's both.
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 3:37 PM
I read your post all the time, you have valid points most of time.

Right now you sound just as foolish as the apple fan boys in retrospect how can anybody take what your saying serious?

Unbiased would be the way. πŸ˜‰ try it.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 3:49 PM
Really?

Steve blocking flash is well documented. As is how efficient flash for mobile can be if you allow it to be hardware accelerated.

My first real computer was a macbook, I love OSX. I hate the iphone so much because I see it as wasted potential.

and "unbiased" does not exist. anyone claiming not to be biased is lying to you
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 3:55 PM
A person thats totally unbiased is far-fetched. but to be biased in everything is insane, not to say that you are. I agree that in some way or on some topic we all hold some biased unfair felling.

But Steve not allowing it is all business, not him personally wanting power because it gives him a erection as you and a lot others make it seem.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 4:05 PM
The iphone is all about controlling the user experience. from the moment you turn off your device. I can understand this, and in some ways it makes sense.

But at the same time, he's going too far with it. Flash isn't a direct competition anymore than html5 will be (if the html evangelists are to be believed) so why exactly is he blocking it? 10.1 is optimized for mobile. It's been shown in countless tests that the "it consumes resources" argument is shaky to say the least. So why block it? The only argument that seems to make sense is that he doesn't want to give them access to the api's that they need to make it as efficient as it seems to be at android.

I don't think he is power hungry so much as a little paranoid of giving u...
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 4:22 PM
I don't know the in's and out's to Adobe's flash over HTML-5 honestly.

But I can say that I guarantee its business, weither or not adobe won't pay what Apple is asking or what, Ihdk.

But I'm sure its business.

Providing choice provides consumers the choice to competition which no person in any business for making money is not down for.

With it being so closed but yet great services are offered. The phone may not be able to do alot of things versus a Palm Pre and android phones but the "APPS" are what set it apart. They are able as a company to not spend so much money on per say the device but put more money in to marketing and how to make and have the money circulate back to you, its brilliant. You can spend more money on the h...
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 4:53 PM
I don't pirate music either.

And pandora and slacker both give you the option to buy a song if you like what you're listening to.

The apps are nice, but they're starting to lose that edge.

In october, the android marketplace had about 10k apps. by december they were up to 16k. A few weeks ago, google announced that they were pushing 30k and growing. no, it's no "150k" apps, but it's growing quickly. with a lot of big name developers/apps announcing they are working on versions for android, including some that the Iphone doesn't even have. I'm beta testing Vlingo for android right now and it is FANTASTIC.

The only place that android is really lacking are games (which is changing as more devices are coming out with 2.1) and new...
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 5:08 PM
that sounds pretty good.

But the other major thing is that one thing apple does have is that the iphone 1,2,and 3 I think? I think there has only been 3 or and its been what four or five years. So you know your "ONE" phone is good for a long time as opposed to having to get a upgrade to get a new phone and what not.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 5:32 PM
See, for me that's a detractor. they are saying:

We're going to upgrade this device only once a year, and when we upgrade it, it's going to be a minor tweaks so that we can make sure that three year old hardware won't be challenged by the software. it's inhibiting innovation imo. Because instead of apple pushing out something that will push their latest hardware to the limits, they have to make sure it matches what they had three years ago (which is a very long time in computing terms)

and just because there are new phones available doesn't mean you NEED to upgrade to them. this "my phone needs to have the highest number to work right" bs is insane. The motorola droid is what? 6 months old? it will easily last a consumer 2 years...
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 5:45 PM
I guess its just easier on the brain knowing that everyone that has the same phone you have, has the same software version instead of me having the G1 and you having a good a$$ droid.

It makes it more about "We" then "Android"

Apple is like "We" and android is like "Android" because there is more then one android and some people get benefits that the other don't and etc.

I see what your saying as well. With apple everybody lacks as a group as opposed to Android where as maybe the G1 users lack but the Droid users have to best sh!t android can offer.

They both have their up's and down's...
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 6:48 PM
I have some nicer hardware. but all devices (except the hero) are on either 1.6 or 2.x, which means they share 95% of the same apps, and benefits.
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flagrantmisuse

Apr 5, 2010, 11:46 AM
yes the text less intrusive. i use the metronome app as a drummer for shows and i hate having to turn the radio off because i forget and dont realize until the next morning. that would really make my life less annoying.
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Slammer

Apr 5, 2010, 11:54 AM
My old drummer needed a metronome. Too bad he never bought one!
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justfinethanku

Apr 5, 2010, 11:55 AM
haha, thats harsh!
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flagrantmisuse

Apr 5, 2010, 12:05 PM
it makes it a lot easier especially when we run loops and delay on guitars have to match perfectly. i love playing to a click.
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Slammer

Apr 5, 2010, 2:39 PM
A big part of the aura of gigging live in front of an audience(in rock anyways), is to create that feel of a real concert(which fans love). Clicks are great for studio. I personally don't like clicks live. It is too perfect for the atmosphere. Every live show is different and performing to perfect metering and synchronization, can foul up a moment in a venue where the perfection gets in the way of improvising. This happens more than often when patrons are drunk and obnoxious. Improvising allows the band interact better to these situations and creates a the fun factor.
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Slammer

Apr 5, 2010, 11:51 AM
Prediction only:

1) Faster rendering of info
2) Better screen resolution
3) More efficient
4) Optimized for upcoming 4G technology
5) Allowance of more customization
6) Multi-tasking
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WernerCD

Apr 5, 2010, 12:37 PM
I don't see 5/6 happening, unless Apple truely sees how stale their phone has become.

Otherwise... The same phone... but faster. Yawn.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 3:24 PM
Steve: We've decided to embrace what customers want and try and meet those expectations.... JUST KIDDING GUISE! Who do you this this is?"


fanboi: OMG, I love how he doesn't listen to a word I say! he's so smart!

😎

While I hope they do truly innovate this time (I love OSx, just not how they handle the Iphone) it would mean a complete shift from what they've been doing, aka, admitting they were wrong, which I can't see them do. it would be very hard for them to implement anything on that list without looking like they were copying someone else, or backpedaling on their stances.
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 3:30 PM
They have never publicly took a stance on anything.

People have made this accusation for apple, how they don't want this and how they will never allow this and that. Apple has never said what they will allow or wont never allow, so what ever they do it won't sound like backpedaling.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 3:37 PM
actually they have. Maybe not an official press release, but apple employees are pretty well groomed on how to respond to questions about multitasking and the like.

And when the original iphone was launched, they pushed it as the "perfect" size for a touchscreen phone, so if the screen is any larger (or smaller) they are backpedaling.
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 3:51 PM
well sh!t just shoot them in the a$$ for selling their product by using the words perfect, all hail! get serious man...


and because a bunch of geeky employees say a Iphone 8 will come out doesn't mean Apple said they're coming out with a Iphone 8, it simply means that Ethan or what ever his name is told you that. Apple's PR never said these things that you say, and like I said I've read your threads all the time, so I know your much more educated then this. This here is just a tack and lack-lusting way of smearing apple's name. You can do better then that.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 3:58 PM
is that intelligent dialogue is impossible about apple on this website because you can't critique apple without people coming out of the woodwork (like blue) that can't see anything but from a pro iphone standpoint.

If someone starts a rational discussion, I'll join it. But it won't happen on this website
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 4:01 PM
🀣

I can agree with that to a extent. There are alot of fan boys here. I just really skip a lot of their threads. but yeah now understand what your doing.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 4:16 PM
Let's see what they do with 4.0. The conversations should be interesting.

I have a couple friends in Google Wave who are really into phone tech. I spend most of my time there debating stuff now.
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 4:23 PM
what website is this you speak of? 🀨
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 4:25 PM
Google Wave. not a website. new beta feature by google. basically you can use it to replace email, forums, and IM (still a little buggy atm)

wave.google.com

there is a LONG video. if you want an invite, PM me.. I think I still have a few left
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 4:33 PM
I don't have google.

LMAO @ the fact that I'm for some reason a little hesitant to let my google guard down. πŸ‘€

They came out the middle of no where, got all this money, they are growing so fast, they never delete any of your information (EVER!), I don't know. They just grew too fast for my trust right now, lol, I know thats silly but I'll wait some time before I show them the cards in my hand.
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 4:49 PM
google.com/privacy

I have my google configured not to track me (they give you an easy way to nullify their cookie and cloud searching) and even if you allow them to store the data, it's all non-specific if it ever leaves their servers.

apple is storing all your data right now (and they just bought an ad company) so the choice isn't IF you choose to share your data, but WHO you share it with. I've been using Google since they first offered gmail, and I STILL get less spam on my gmail account than I did after using my hotmail account for 2 months.
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 4:57 PM
I only have a apple Itouch and I want the Ipad for school purposes and the light weight of it to consolidate my books would be a dream come true.

But I guess I would get a google account soon. Honestly thats what held me back from android or what is holding me back from android.

I know people say if your not doing anything whats to worry, I feel that but I was/ am a lil hesitant. Maybe I'll just force myself to get a gmail account but I had my yahoo account since like '99
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 5:21 PM
yeah,, if you have a yahoo account, your data is (*&^ everyone I know with a yahoo account has so many issues with spam.

As consumers, we throw a lot of information about ourselves out on the web everyday. google just found a way to categorize it (and make it more secure if we configure the portal) than if we just threw it anywhere.

and with android (or wave) you don't need to use your google account as your main account. it's just how google maintains your information should you need to get it replaced. (your apps, like how apple requires an apple account to record your music store purchases)
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 5:31 PM
with apple, i dont know if you know. But do they back my music up for me? So if everything were to be wiped out my computer do all my purchases conver to my new itunes? I would have my same account and user name but would have to redownload itunes, if so how do I repopulate that info back into my Itunes?
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Menno

Apr 5, 2010, 5:36 PM
When my computer was wiped, I was able to pull all my purchased music back down to my computer.. I think I did "check for purchases" and it started downloading.

and remember, currently purchased items are the ONLY one's you can sync from your ipod/iphone/ipad back to your computer. so they are maintaining a record of it.

With gmail/android it keeps an authorization list of purchased apps for me. so if I delete one I paid for, it will ALWAYS show up in my downloads tab on the marketplace.

It wirelessly syncs my contacts, bluetooth profiles, etc. so when I had to hard reset my device (the joys of beta testing) as soon as a popped in my email, everything redownloaded to my device, without me having to be anywhere near my computer.
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Disrespect

Apr 5, 2010, 5:52 PM
thats whats up. I need to get some paid songs that I paid for from my Itouch onto my itunes just to have on there so i can listen to them when I don't have my ipod plugged into it.

But yeah and all I see up's and down's about them all.
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Versed

Apr 5, 2010, 11:53 AM
justfinethanku said:
What will iPhone 4.0 bring to the iPhone???

It sounds like a major overhaul... but is it?

I like the idea of multitasking, and maybe some customization tweeks *crosses fingers for something as simple as backgrounds*

I'd also like to see a way to respond to a text message right from the pop-up window, AND a way to make text pop-ups less intrusive. (kind of like the way the pre handles texting)

what do you think?


Seems you hit the nail right on the head on your predictions.
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WernerCD

Apr 5, 2010, 12:28 PM
copies the competition, and the faithful praise Jobs and consider the "innovation" the best thing in the world.

Apple has to be scared now that they have true competition (Palm, Android... even 7 on the horizon).

Unless Apple actually innovates, they have a very stale product.

In all actuality, I'm hoping to see somethng exciting. I've seen rumors and predictions and "they should do this" and "they could do that"... but nothing changes that their product has remained basically unchanged for four years.
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TechWorld Observer

Apr 5, 2010, 3:16 PM
I know what you mean. And iPhone people say that "Windows Mobile has remained unchanged" ...oh boy!
We just have to wait for 7 to come!
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WernerCD

Apr 5, 2010, 5:25 PM
I'm hoping Microsoft doesn't completely screw the pooch with 7. They have a VERY bad habit of completely jacking up a release of a product (only to create a winner on V2/3+).

We'll see.
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bryantkd

Apr 5, 2010, 12:51 PM
I predict the new OS will allow a couple minor things that any other device can do like backgrounds and Apple will promise "future updates" to be capable of all the useful things like multitasking, when the almighty Jobs feels his minions have earned those features.

Of course flash will always be useless. Multitasking...... well since Steve only has one thing on his mind (your money) why should your phone be capable of more than one thought.
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Rich Brome

Apr 5, 2010, 2:07 PM
Pop-up messages - including text messages and push notifications - have to change. It was always bad, but now with more third-party apps doing real push notifications, it's unusable. If hope for their sake that they're going to announce notifications that work more like webOS... or at least like Android. That's the #1 that simply has to change or they will be left in the dark ages.

Multi-tasking would be nice, but it does have trade-offs, so I'd say that's 50/50. If it happens, it won't be free-for-all multi-tasking... it will be semi-multi-tasking, or have very strict limits.

What would be really nice is to see them lift the ridiculous restriction on "competing" apps. The fact that you still can't run third-party email apps, fo...
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bluecoyote

Apr 5, 2010, 3:10 PM
Yeah, I'd say notifications are the biggest change that needs to occur.
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phantasus

Apr 5, 2010, 2:20 PM
Tethering would be nice. We were promised that before the end of last year but it has yet to happen.

Multi exchange accounts would be nice too as well as a missed call or voicemail notification. ThatΓƒΒ’Γ’β€šΒ¬β„’s one thing I miss from my old phone, was a beep letting me know I missed something. If I step out of my office and come back and got a call it is hard to know unless you pick up your phone every time.

Could care less about flash, and a to be able to to reply back from a pop up notification without closing my radio app would be nice.
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SprintCC

Apr 5, 2010, 2:50 PM
I want a notification that I have an email or voicemail. I'd also love it if I didn't have to open the email client to get the phone to download email (most of the time). I'm guessing the update won't address either though, so I'm not too excited.
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tbacba

Apr 5, 2010, 3:59 PM
Whatever the changes, some will see them as an attempt by Apple to catch up with the rest of the market. Others will see them as validation that no feature is truly worthwhile until it appears on the iPhone. And if while responding to the OP, one can toss in yet another bash at HTC, all the better! πŸ™„
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