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Google Is Paying Carriers and Phone Makers to Adopt Android

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Take that apple

SMartinez89

Mar 25, 2010, 2:57 PM
Smile Very Happy Drooling Surprised Shocked Laughing Razz Rolling Eyes Wink
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murmermer

Mar 25, 2010, 3:15 PM
Are you stupid? but Apple has $40 in the bank

http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/ comments/apple_shares_hit_new_all_time_intrad ay_closing_highs_100323/

If Apple wanted to outperform Google they would release the iPhone to every Carrier in the USA, then perform the same deals with carriers to only push the iPhone. Apple would create selling incentives for sales Agents of the different carriers and could destroy the smartphone industry as we see it.

For as evil as everyone sees Apple they sure do turn a blind eye to Google.

actually, why do you hate Apple so much?
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Nobodey

Mar 25, 2010, 4:24 PM
I know I don't have a problem at all with Apple as a company. I do have a problem with Steve Jobs going off on other companies in the media. I also have a promblem with his say just off the wall things like "our phones don't need screen protectors".
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netboy

Mar 25, 2010, 5:26 PM
i still recall, that lying steve job said about the iphone EDGE. we didnt make the iphone 3G cus it' bigger and it uses more battery power.
then why are you selling the iphone 3G NOW?? is the iphone 3G bigger then iphone EDGE? i dont know cus i dont use apple garbage with low resolutions!
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 5:37 PM
I agree with the first post, Apple has some nice dynamic products, yeah expensive. I just don't care for their control freak ways especially with the iPhone. Yeah the first one should have been what the 3g was.

You can hate all you want, but the iPhone has rocked the market and is a fantastic product. Even with it being locked down. To be honest, for the vast majority it doesn't effect them. But on a positive side, it does have standards, which make the usability excellent. As great as Android is, its becoming more and more fragmented, and that is not good. BTW I am a Nexus One and iPhone owner and user.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 5:46 PM
Fellow Phone Scooper Versed, would you please recommend some fun, time passing games for Android? Asyou may know, I'm new to Andoid.

I did download some really fascinating apps called 3001 Quotes, and 5001 Fascinating Facts, really interesting stuff.
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 5:51 PM
just an FYI jay, Engadget has an android app now. Very Happy

How is the adjustment process going?
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 5:55 PM
Umm, ok. I do have ? though. With reguards to paid apps, well first of all is there some sort of trial? Do you have any paid apps?
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Caucasian

Mar 25, 2010, 5:56 PM
Just look for a "Lite" version of whatever app it is you're interested in, most will have one.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 6:31 PM
My sister is spreading false propaganda, telling my mother things like mine and my mothers Droids are jailbroken, and that if something goes wrong with them a Vzn store won't help her.

I told my mother that she's saying these thing cause she owns an Iphone and if she needs support, if her battery clunks she has to go to an Apple store. Heck if I know where there's an Apple store in Ct, she might have to go to the 5thAv Apple store in Manhattan.

Anyway I've been to a Vzn store twice already to get help, no problems, no questions like where did I get my Droid. This guy showed me how to setup the screen lock pattern.

My sister making my mother panic really pissed me off!
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 7:06 PM
So does your sister post here with the user name Bluecoyote?

And about your app question. All paid apps have a 24 hour trial period. So you install it, try it out, and if you don't like it, return it within a day for a full refund. this is as per Android market regs.

Paid apps I have:
Beautiful Widgets (clock/weather)
Aldiko (ebook reader)
Documents to Go (Microsoft office suite)
Toutieur (Twitter Client

Root Paid apps:
SetCPU (for overclocking)
Droid Root Pro (From when I first rooted)
DroidMod (current rooting mod)
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 7:16 PM
That Bluecoyote stuff very funny, ha, ha!!!
With reguards to a clock widget, I have the app made by Motorola called MotoDroid, it makes your homescreen look exactly like if it were connected to the docking station Motorola made for the Droid, I like it a lot, it makes the clock really big.


I found some really neat apps called 5001Amazing Facts, really neat, fascinating stuff.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 7:36 PM
Oh btw, you asked me about the wallpaper app I have that has the Android pissing on the Apple logo, Mobilo Wallpapers.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 7:41 PM
I did download the Engadget app, but I can't read comments. I like to read comments, sort of get a consensus on what people think about a perticular news headline.
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 8:11 PM
When you click on an article, there will be a comment icon in the upper right hand corner. click on that to load comments. ;D
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 8:36 PM
It worked.

Do you use the "My Verizon" app found in the market. I keep trying to enter a dollar amount and it gives me this invalid crap. There shouldn't have to be an amount due for me to make a payment should ther? I've also tried making a payment directly on Vzn's website.

Also when I'm typing while posting on PS there's no cursor for ,e to follow, if I want to go back to delete and reenter something it's very difficult. Any idea what the deal is with the absense of a cursor?
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 10:11 PM
I don't use the my verizon app.. I just pay by #pmt. #bal will tell you if you own anything yet/ (you won't be able to put money on account right away)

There is no cursor unfortunately because it's a touch screen. I've gotten really good at tapping where I need to delete stuff and doing it that way, but if you are using the physical keyboard, the D-Pad works for this as well.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 10:39 PM
If there's no cursor then how do you know where you are and what your about to delete???

I was just laughing thinking to myself that I have *611 for customer service, and I have you for customer service also.

I don't understand what this being a touchscreen has anything to do with there not being a cursor to keep track of my location while typing.

See, how I do my budget is I pay half of all my bills each payday so I guess I will just have to put the Vzn money in a bank envelope until my first statement generates, I was told after my 1st statement, I will be able to make payments every 2wks.
Trust me, if the money stays in my chkg acct it'll get spent, so I'll just withdraw it and put it in a bank envelope.

So hey, I found somet...
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 10:43 PM
When you press on an area, there should be a vertical line (like in MS word) where the OS has your "Cursor." it takes a bit to get used to. I admit this is one of the more annoying parts about typing on your phone, but it's not so bad. The only thing about the line is that it doesn't "blink." but rather just sticks there, so if it is next to an I or L or something with a line like that, it could be hard to spot.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 10:47 PM
So are you familiar with a game called Radiant Lite?
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 10:54 PM
I saw ads for it
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 10:57 PM
Oh, well I read a review of it and decided to d/l it, and I definetly like it.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 9:54 PM
I finally found a game that might have the potential for me to play it regularly, it's called Radiant, you have a little space ship and you shoot asteroids!!!
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 10:12 PM
You'll have to let me know how you like it.. I was thinking about getting that game
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 10:49 PM
My feelings on rooting and jail breaking are, if you don't have a must needed app, or reason, don't bother doing it. OK you can toss in those who like to tinker. These are expensive devices, sometimes they go bad. And if you can't boot or restore to legal software, you are out a lot of bucks.

BTW news tonight, someone did an untethered jailbreak solution, the incidentals haven't been released. If you're awake, the information is on BGR.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 10:56 PM
Of course I'm awake, I do in in Las Vegas. I work until 11pm pasific time, and don't get home til 12:30am ish. Plus I'm not exaxtly married and don't have kids, so I tend to be very, very connected to my phone.
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 10:57 PM
I rooted for the SetCPU widget. The profiles help me save battery. I also like tinkering with it.

I have a backup of the stock rom on my phone, and if worst comes to worst, I have a protection plan and a new one is just $40.

I saw that wireless jailbreaking thing.. should be interesting. Google voids your warranty with rooting, but they seem to be pretty agnostic about it. Apple takes it like you shot their dog.
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 10:45 PM
Jay,
Except for solitaire I don't play many games, I should ask my daughter she has several on her G1. But I would get AndChat for ircing, or Androidirc if you're willing to part with a few bux.

What phone did you get???
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 10:51 PM
The Droid!!! Only $20 on letstalk.com!!! As you may know, I'm coming from using a Nokia N95, so it's really niCe having a ph with a 3.7in screen & slideout keyboard.

The only game I have found that I really like so far is one called Radiant Lite.
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 10:55 PM
Good deal, just watch letstalk, if you like the plan and don't wish to do any changes, its a fantastic deal. Any changes will cost you their etf fee. I don't know how long you have to abide by it, but its there. BTW I don't think they are bad to deal with, they are a legit outfit.
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 10:58 PM
It is 6months (the payout period for full commissions from Verizon) I believe.

Then you can do what you want. They do this because they sell phones at a very specific margin.
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Jayshmay

Mar 25, 2010, 11:00 PM
It's 6 months. I am allowed to up my rate plan during the 1st 6 months, just mot make it lower than what it was the day I set up the acct. Then after the first 6 months is over letstalk is out of my way.
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 10:57 PM
Still can't connect to Andchat for whatever reason.. not sure why.
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 11:05 PM
Menno,
I do know its something to do with VZW blockage of ports, you CAN get onto the Freenode, and goto that #android.

There is a way to get on the efnet, you can ask on freenode, or I can ask for you. There are a bunch of guys with droids using that server. BTW this happens with all VZW devices.

You can google the question too.
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 11:09 PM
Menno said:
Still can't connect to Andchat for whatever reason.. not sure why.



I found this so far" You will have to use a port other than 6667. I am using AndroidIRC to connect to freenode via port 7000 on 3G and I never get kicked off. When I would try connecting with the default port (6667) it would time out. In fact, I'm in #androidforums on 3G right now."
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 11:27 PM
Alright, I am in Freenode... but I can't see any channels (I never used IRC)
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 11:38 PM
/join #android
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Menno

Mar 26, 2010, 12:09 AM
says xandroid: cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
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Versed

Mar 26, 2010, 12:21 AM
/nickserv register password email

you will be temp registered, you will get a confirmation email, you click on the link, click on it, you will be registered.

then when you log on you.

/nickserv identify password

message me here I will give you my phone and you can sms me, easier. and faster, and we don't clutter up the messages. gonna crash.

(clicking on my blued nick here will get you a PM screen.)
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Slammer

Mar 25, 2010, 5:48 PM
I own an ipod touch and like it. I just can't see paying over a 100 a month just to add a phone feature.
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Versed

Mar 25, 2010, 10:53 PM
Slammer said:
I own an ipod touch and like it. I just can't see paying over a 100 a month just to add a phone feature.


Except you will be paying the same $100 or so for any smartphone, bb or android device. If all you want is a dumb phone, or feature phone, I concur.
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Caucasian

Mar 25, 2010, 5:45 PM
Although most people assume Steve Jobs is capable of snapping his fingers and perfectly functioning versions of the iPhone for every network and carrier would then magically fly out of every consumers a$$ on the planet... it's not that simple. How does CDMA handle that issue of no data+voice except when in WiFi? Some pretty useful apps are rendered null and void. Or how to handle carriers with prior agreements that may pose issue problems (example: GetJar and Sprint have a deal for free apps that may compete with the App Store)

As a lot of nay-sayers of other systems point out, different phones, different carriers, all of these start posing problems and lead to fragmentation, or even bigger delays in their roll outs. The iPhone would be n...
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Azeron

Mar 25, 2010, 6:57 PM
I do not know. I think it is better to get paid by one carrier to exclusively carry one's phone than to PAY carriers to carry one's devices.
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 8:17 PM
They're not paying just for hosting the device.

They are saying: We want this device to do well, we realize to do this, you will need to advertise and take a heavy loss up front, so when the device succeeds, we will offer you a portion of the profits.

They're not saying: We'll give you 100million dollars to shove this crap phone on people. From the article, it looks like companies didn't have to sign anything saying they wouldn't accept and promote other devices so I really don't see the issue.

Google's ALWAYS been about advertising. Remember, they are an ad company first and foremost.

If companies adopted the platform because of the potential profit it's because they saw the value in it.
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Azeron

Mar 26, 2010, 10:01 AM
Sharing profits is cool. I just don't see why the Apple haters are fist pumping.
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Slammer

Mar 26, 2010, 11:13 AM
It is because Apple is suspected of being one of the major culprits for informing of the practice. ATT has held off on Android. Now that ATT has announced a common interest with the other carriers in adopting Android, this means that no matter what carrier you chose, Android has a device. This leaves Apple as the only OS with one carrier while Android now has All. This opens up huge marketing strategy and opportunities for Google.
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Jayshmay

Mar 26, 2010, 8:23 PM
When Vzn launches LTE, and if Las Vegas is among the first 30 cities, do you think the upgraded backhaul will benefit Rev.A speeds also? I know Rev.A is capable of 3.1mbps, so I'm thinking the upgraded backhaul might help real worl speeds of Rev.A improve. Do you think so too, or?
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Menno

Mar 26, 2010, 11:43 PM
There will me some improved backhaul, yes. And, the aircards/early adopters, will hop on 4g sooner, which means more bandwidth for everyone else.

Did you download a speed test yet? what are you running?

My average is 1.4mbs down, .8mbs up, and like 120 pink for a server 200 miles away.
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Jayshmay

Mar 26, 2010, 11:50 PM
But do you think the new backhaul will improve Rev.A? Or it will only benefit 4G? I'll do a speed test, give me a moment, I'm trying to get cought up on my stupid paper work, I only have 1hr left in my shift.
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Menno

Mar 27, 2010, 9:30 AM
It should, just because the towers will have more to use. remember that when they do this they'll also spend the time to optimize the 3g coverage in the area, which also improves speeds.
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Jayshmay

Mar 27, 2010, 12:05 AM
I'm not in a small town of 40k ppl in Pa like you, so I'm not getting speeds of 1.4, the highest I got downlink was 1.2mbps, but it seems as though Vzn's upload speeds aren't too bad, I got 6 & 7 hundred kbps on the upload a few times, not too bad, maybe even better than ATT with the upload speed.

I downloaded the Speedtest.net app in the market, so that's what I used, some server in Phoenix I think.
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Menno

Mar 27, 2010, 9:34 AM
EVDO RevA is optimized for upload speed and low latency, which is why even if you downlink is bad (I've been as low as 500kbs) my uploads are still 700-800 or so (which is great if you're uploading files/pictures a lot)

Also try a couple different servers. There used to be one near me (hosted by the local dsl company) that gave me terrible speeds 100kbs up, 600+ping. You'll find that one of the servers near you will consistently perform better than the others.
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Jayshmay

Mar 27, 2010, 9:43 AM
D/l speeds aren't anywhere close to as good here as the 1.4mbps you get where you are. I don't get iver a megabit all that much.

So that's why I'm hoping that if Las Vegas end up being among the in itial 25-30 launchb cities that Rev.A will benefit from the improved backhaul.
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Jayshmay

Mar 27, 2010, 4:42 PM
Do you know how I can make it so that when I receive a ph call from someone that I don't feel like answering that I can just turn my Droid upside down and it will automatically send it to vm?
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Menno

Mar 28, 2010, 12:10 PM
hmm.. let me look into that.. I just use the "slide to ignore" function.

Oh and jay, they are working on backhaul for 3g. My speed, and the speeds of some of my friends has increased recently. Not sure when it will hit LV, but it should be coming.

Oh, and try the Denver Co and LA servers. (Using FCC test) remember that a location further away doesn't always mean slower speeds, just higher latency. I get faster speeds connecting to LA than I do connecting to DC.
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Jayshmay

Mar 29, 2010, 10:25 AM
The backlight on my keyboard isn't lighting up, might you have any ideas what I can do to make it light up like it should be?
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