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Way less than the sum of its parts

bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 4:28 PM
I'm willing to offer a prediction given that it's an Android handset made by HTC: it's going to be way less than the sum of its parts.

And what are they going to do if Clear switches over to LTE? It's not going to be like the Cingular 3G mess, is it?
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Disrespect

Mar 23, 2010, 4:28 PM
oh shut up!

Just enjoy the damn phone
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Menno

Mar 23, 2010, 4:40 PM
Blue can't enjoy anything without an apple (or something mimicking an apple) on its back
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SprintCC

Mar 23, 2010, 4:46 PM
What if Apple decides to go back to a writing slate and chalk rather than an electronic device?

It is just as likely.
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 4:47 PM
You can serve a pig in a bucket but that don't make it hogsauce.
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Disrespect

Mar 23, 2010, 4:49 PM
What about this apple 4g with sprint I was hearing about?

Give me one moment I will post the link...
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Menno

Mar 23, 2010, 4:49 PM
you would insist that it's the best hogsauce you've ever seen and praise how innovative his preperation methods were.

And then Steve would try to sue anyone who used the terms "bucket" "pork" or "Pig"
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 5:16 PM
And surprise, still can't pull it off.


Now y'all know better than to question my predictions.
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Menno

Mar 23, 2010, 5:22 PM
Just trying to make posts the same quality as you Blue
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JoeyEsquire

Mar 23, 2010, 5:42 PM
This Apple fanboy is no more reasonable than a religious fanatic on a crusade. He'll not exept reality, unless of corse it comes from Steve's mouth.
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 6:12 PM
Or if it is spelled correctly, or course. 🙄
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 6:17 PM
Yeah the day you offer firsthand developer experience using your extensive knowledge and firsthand usage of various platforms is the day Android is praised for its superior application quality.

Until then just keep on posting the incorrect drivel and I'll keep inking up my fail stamp.
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Menno

Mar 23, 2010, 6:19 PM
I never claimed to be a developer. You are a former developer for the iphone and now one for WebOS. this doesn't give you bias any more weight when talking about android.
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 10:06 PM
Absolutely it does. I can speak of Android's more inherent deficiencies. I still have Android's SDK and am familiar with it, I just don't actively develop for it.
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Jayshmay

Mar 23, 2010, 11:28 PM
Oh, the top 2 bloggers of PS going @ it!

P.S. I love it how I get a new gmail my Droid says inthat cool computer voice "Droid"

How long have you had yours?
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Menno

Mar 23, 2010, 11:31 PM
Since launch day (though it took me a few days to get it activated.. employee accounts are a bitch)
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Jayshmay

Mar 23, 2010, 11:37 PM
Wow, so almost 5 months! Reason I asked is because I'm curious how the Droid ages, like does the ink on the kb buttons fade? Or what about the sliodeout keyboard, does it get all lose over time or anything?
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Menno

Mar 23, 2010, 11:41 PM
My ink is fine, but I do use the virtual keyboard a lot. the slider is great. the only thing I notice is that in the corner where my "back" key is isn't entirely snug with the keyboard part of the phone, but I've notices no loss in functionality or that the device itself is loose.

I also don't use a screen protector and the screen looks brand new 😁
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Jayshmay

Mar 23, 2010, 11:46 PM
WoW, I'm sure both of us use our phones a lot and put them through their paces. Good to know from a heavy user as yourself.

What I like aBout the bigger screen is I can read more w/o scrolling as much.
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Kayslay34

Mar 23, 2010, 5:01 PM
You Sir are the definition of a sheep.
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 5:15 PM
Valid rebuttals help instead of just copying and pasting from the Gizmodo comment section
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ExploderBlade

Mar 23, 2010, 6:46 PM
BlueCoyote,

I have no idea why you tout that the iPhone is the best invention since literally the cell phone. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a beautiful device, well crafted and powerful, but you act as if it is flawless. Ha! I reply to such a thing! If it's so flawless, then why:

1. is Apple getting scared and demanding that the Nexus One not be shipped to American shores (such a laghable afront to capitalism as I have ever heard).

2. No tehtering. Believing it or not, people actually like this feature. Why strip it?

3. No Multitasking...I know you Apple Kids can't stand doing more than one thing at a time, but hey, there it is.

4. One device, one network. If you want an iPhone, you have really only two choices, iPhone 3G...
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scottmbolt

Mar 23, 2010, 7:53 PM
ExploderBlade said:
BlueCoyote,

I have no idea why you tout that the iPhone is the best invention since literally the cell phone. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a beautiful device, well crafted and powerful, but you act as if it is flawless. Ha! I reply to such a thing! If it's so flawless, then why:

1. is Apple getting scared and demanding that the Nexus One not be shipped to American shores (such a laghable afront to capitalism as I have ever heard).

2. No tehtering. Believing it or not, people actually like this feature. Why strip it?

3. No Multitasking...I know you Apple Kids can't stand doing more than one thing at a time, but hey, there it is.

4. One device, one network. If you want an iPhone, you
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iDontcare

Mar 23, 2010, 9:00 PM
You seem to be missing the point. I don't think Blue cares what everyone else thinks of the iPhone, nor have I seen him tout it as the best phone ever(however he does praise certain features that imitators can't seem to get right). Everyone knows the technology of the iPhone is no longer cutting edge. But wait it's still selling!!! The reason that most of you nerds seem to miss is that the target iPhone user doesn't give a **** about a Snapdragon processor or multitasking or tethering. For them the fascination is the UI, and for most customers I talk to this is their first smartphone. That means they're more interested in the fact that they can watch Youtube and use the ipod than the fact that they can't tether or multitask.

The bottom ...
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Amarantamin

Mar 23, 2010, 9:32 PM
Not to nitpick, but were old philosophers really talking about internet communities?

😁
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waldorfsalad

Mar 24, 2010, 3:16 PM
Actually, I thought that's what Hogsauce WAS: A Pig in a Bucket. 🤭
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Jayshmay

Mar 24, 2010, 11:55 PM
Dude!!! Your gonna FKN crack up when I tell you what I just did!!! I d/l a wallpaper app, and there were some Android wallpapers, and I saw one of an Android robot dude pissing on the 🤣 Apple logo 🤣 !!! Ha, ha!!!
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Menno

Mar 25, 2010, 9:06 AM
Heh.. Yeah, that is a good one. You using the androidlib app? that is the best wallpaper one I've found.

oh, have you messed with the voice search much yet?

Longpress on the search key and then ask a question when you see the mike, aka "Map of pizza"
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bluecoyote

Mar 25, 2010, 12:14 PM
If not, someone's getting grounded 🤣
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ElTriste

Mar 23, 2010, 6:11 PM
Means long term evolution. Now...what does that tell us about the engineering of it? NOTHING. It's a concept. ATT won't go "LTE" until 2012, and verizon can't risk blowing thier "map for that" because sprint has a 2 year head start on "4g" Also, sprint owns 56% of clear...so...idk how that would work if the company that owns majority shares uses a completely different network. We'll have to see how the 4g works in real time (I.E when I get it here) and if it's as fast as they say, it might behoove ATT and VZW to jump on the wimax wagon to avoid getting smashed by wimax.
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 6:14 PM
is abysmal in terms of actual deployment. I applaud them for pushing a 4G network, but I'm wondering if it missed the boat by taking so long.

What's it going to mean if Sprint winds up with another iDEN on its hands?
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CS2006

Mar 23, 2010, 6:44 PM
Abysmal? What is abysmal about it? It is used in most of Asia as a primary internet source. Just because the EU hasn't blessed it does not make it abysmal. I suggest you research your "facts" more clearly or they will be marked as mere claims to be ignored. WIMAX is in my market, it will cover 80 million pops by year's end. It will cover between 150 and 200 million pops by the end of 2011 and by that time 802.16m will be deployed. 802.16e is delivering average downloads of 5-20 mbps while HSPA is cruising along on your beloved iphone at less than 3 mbps.
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ExploderBlade

Mar 23, 2010, 6:49 PM
The HSPA network is supposed to be out and about, but I see very little of it chanig people's mind to switch sides. It's just tooo unreliable.
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CS2006

Mar 23, 2010, 6:58 PM
AT&T has intalled HSPA on most if not all of its 3G network. It is very reliable but the data throughputs on their network are maxed out due to the fact that there are 30-40 million iPhones constantly using data services. This much usage was never envisioned by anyone.
T-Mobile is in the process of rolling out HSPA+ which is providing up to 6mbps average speeds in Philly.
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Mektah

Mar 24, 2010, 12:37 AM
Sprint has made several mentions that it's dedicated to whatever works best for it's customers. It chose wimax because the technology is here now. However, a switch from Wimax to LTE requires very little hardware changes from Sprint's end. So not only do they have an advantage in getting their coverage ready 2+ years ahead, but they also will have flexibility to change if need be. Plus their new 4g evo phone is a beast.
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CS2006

Mar 24, 2010, 10:28 AM
Absolutely. They also don't have the bandwidth limitations that the others will incur in the 700mhz band. LTE will have a bit better range from tower due to the frequency and it will penetrate structures better but that can be handled with more towers.
I believe Sprint is being very customer centric with this. Much will depend on what applications become available and how they interface with customer lifestyles.
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Jayshmay

Mar 24, 2010, 11:21 PM
Do you ?really? Think there are 30-40m Iphones on IT&Ts network?
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 9:55 PM
It's not the EU, it's that a LOT of companies have used WiMax as a sort of scam initiative to bilk investors- like electric cars. I'm not saying Clear is a scam (I've used their service) , but most of the companies pushing WiMax as any sort of standard are beyond shady. (E.G. GlobeTel, Sanswire, Internafta, Metrotel, WiExpert Communications, SV Telecom Systems, Digitelco Communications, Spectrus Communications... and that's off the top of my head.)

Mixed in with Clear's wishy-washy stance on WiMax as a technology and the real-world performance issues with WiMax, color me skeptical.
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CS2006

Mar 24, 2010, 10:19 AM
Oh but it is the EU. They are a socialist block that must bless everything that comes out. They absolutely outlawed CDMA (with heavy lobbying by infrastructure manufacturers) and they insisted that the 4G network be designed in Europe. It is all about protecting the home industries and then insist that the rest of the world bow to their wireless wisdom.
Don't you remember what a fiasco the initial rollout of UMTS was? Why would you expect anything different with the non-existent LTE from the same group. They have no real reason to learn from their mistakes and being competitive is not really a European value since they can bully others in the third world to adopt their standards. This creates a worldwide standard.
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bluecoyote

Mar 24, 2010, 5:00 PM
Quite honestly, WiMax's deployment has been ridiculously delayed. Mind you Nextel already had Flash-OFDM in 2004. Six friggin years ago, and only now is WiMax surpassing it in its deployment. That's the timeframe LTE has to beat- six years. My guess is it'll beat it handily.

I'm not harping the WiMax standard, but I think my skepticism is is justified.
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Jayshmay

Mar 24, 2010, 11:25 PM
What do you mean by WiMax taking so long? It is the FIRST 4G in the U.S.
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bluecoyote

Mar 24, 2010, 11:40 PM
Flash-OFDM was. We had it in 2004, Sprint took it down after buying out Nextel to replace with WiMax.
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tbacba

Mar 23, 2010, 6:32 PM
Oh my god, what an ignorant comment. Not surprising at all, just ignorant.
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 9:58 PM
Not ignorant at all, but I'd say your reply was. Is this phone honestly anything more than spec sheet padding? I learned better 4 years ago.
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tbacba

Mar 24, 2010, 5:15 PM
HTC has built a reputation for making some of the best phones available today, regardless of OS. Everyone knows you're an Iphone fanboy, but denying excellence, whoever the manufacturer, is ignorant.
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bluecoyote

Mar 24, 2010, 5:28 PM
Really? The built a reputation for making some of the best phones available today? Off of what? The HTC Touch? The Mogul? The Apache? The Star Trek? The can't-get-a-signal Nexus One? The G1? The only manufacturer I can think of worse than HTC is Motorola or some of the Chinese manufacturers cropping up.

I know of no other company that has littered the phone landscape with such poorly engineered phones as HTC. There's a reason they don't support 80% of the phones "it's not an HTC, it's a UTStarcom!" they've sold in the U.S. market.
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tbacba

Mar 24, 2010, 6:30 PM
Your bias is showing. The opinion of HTC is not just mine but also that of many the cellphone websites (including this one). The buzz at CTIA about HTC was not without reason. You really need to set aside your Apple-centric view of the world.
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bluecoyote

Mar 24, 2010, 8:29 PM
I don't hate HTC because I own a competing product, I hate HTC because I owned HTC devices.

You know what? C|Net thought the Mogul was a great phone, too. A lot of reviewers spend a week with a phone- not enough time to really have the phone require a hard reset when you try to listen to music in the middle of jogging, or have the microphone crap out after 40 days.
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CS2006

Mar 23, 2010, 7:02 PM
Why would Clear switch to LTE? WIMAX is performing very well. The partnerships also have deeper pockets than those of the LTE group. LTE shows that the EU and especially Ericsson will never support any standard not created in Europe. Even though WIMAX can be deployed very cost effectively they require a homegrown solution and insist that the world agree with them. I believe this is very short sighted.
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bluecoyote

Mar 23, 2010, 10:05 PM
I'm not disagreeing that technologically WiMax is a better option. Europeans simply fail at technology, but much of its proponents have been either scams or vaporware.
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CS2006

Mar 24, 2010, 10:21 AM
LTE is at this time the ultimate vaporware. Somehow they have convinced a ton of people that they are the ultimate developers of technology. A reliable competitive product could be a few years out
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bluecoyote

Mar 24, 2010, 1:40 PM
It could be, but it has way more reputable financial backing than WiMax did and does.
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island-guy

Mar 24, 2010, 2:42 PM
In light of what's being said I would wonder why Time Warner is pushing WIMAX as their Road Runner Mobile service provider. I didn't like how Clearwire originally marketed their product with a bunch of pimple faced high-school grads trying to make a sale any way they could. The way I see it, WIMAX will be an alternative third option all on its own between Cellular and Cable from least to greatest..
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SPCSVZWJeff

Mar 24, 2010, 4:14 PM
Since when are Sprint, Intel, Google and Comcast unreputable financial backing?

Not even AT&T is totally sold on LTE. They will probably go with it but they are not 100% excited about it.

T-Mobile may move to a position as an MVNO on Clear's network.

As for LTE's backing, you have Verizon, Vodafone, Ericsson, Nokia and Siemens.

It is safe to say that they both have good backing
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bluecoyote

Mar 24, 2010, 4:57 PM
Of those companies, only the first two have made any sort of push for the WiMax standard and opened their wallets. Google hasn't given the consortium a dime, and neither has Comcast.
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SPCSVZWJeff

Mar 24, 2010, 5:33 PM
They are shareholders just the same. They stand to gain with the WIMAX success and lose if it fails. If need be they would give some backing.
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Jayshmay

Mar 23, 2010, 11:19 PM
Umm, refresh my memory, what do you mean by "Cingjular 3G mess"?
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bluecoyote

Mar 24, 2010, 12:51 AM
Cingular had two 'launches' for its 3G network. The first was on a series of handsets using WCDMA/UMTS . The second (and one used today) is HSDPA/UMTS.
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Jayshmay

Mar 24, 2010, 12:58 AM
Yeah, now I remember, their 1st 3G handset was the LG CU320
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