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Nokia is a pathetic excuse for a phone company

bluecoyote

Mar 12, 2010, 3:08 PM
Nokia's filing reads like a Keith Olbermann rant.

Grasping at straws much, Nokia?

"revisionist history, misleading characterizations, unsupported allegations and flawed and contradictory legal theories to turn these fruitless negotiations into a multi-count federal lawsuit."


Number of good Nokia phones nowadays: 0

Number of class leading Nokia smartphones produced in the past 4 years: 0 .

They're an irrelevant company. The sooner they die the better.
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RockTripod

Mar 12, 2010, 3:14 PM
How did I know you'd say something like that?

Yes Blue, you say this everytime there is a post about Nokia and/or Apple. We get it. And Nokia is far from irrelevant. Head to Europe, you'll get a far different picture of the smartphone landscape. Play with an N900. It will make your Palm Pre or whatever it is you have look like a kid's toy. That beast can run full desktop Linux apps. Ridonkulous!
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murmermer

Mar 12, 2010, 5:03 PM
really?? have you played with the N900? it sucks! the browse, although has flash, is slow and buggy. there are even times it doesnt recognize hyper links and the site will say "click here" and it will be standard text not a link to another page.

does it have MMS? lol i think you used to make cheeky comments about the iPhone not having it and here is Nokia in the same boat.

Finally last I checked the Ovi store had ~50 apps for the N900 and most of those are made by Nokia.

Sure Nokia can make a phone look good on the spec sheet but when it boils down to it they are still playing the "next time it will be even better" game they have been playing since the n95.

Last but not least- it has virtually no 3G support for the US. Good luck...
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RockTripod

Mar 12, 2010, 8:51 PM
I have only played with the phone very briefly. I thought it was excellent, but didn't have the chance to play with the web browser. Video rendered beautifully on the device, and the ability to run desktop apps, despite bluecoyote's oral diarrhea, is a Linux geek's dream. My point is this, saying things like Nokia is pathetic and must die is stupid. Thoroughly, completely stupid. They are still the world's largest cell phone manufacturer, and if you think they won't stay around, you are naive. Series 60, while dated, enjoys massive support globally. Its not flashy or pretty, but it is still damned impressive.
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bluecoyote

Mar 12, 2010, 5:05 PM
From just about every perspective.

It can run full desktop Linux Apps? Awesome. Can it run them well? Of course not. I can't think of a less relevant metric for a phone than running a bunch of crappy Linux apps half-assedly designed for a screen with twice the dimensions.
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ibnturab

Mar 13, 2010, 1:49 AM
I currently own a n900 and have been using it for a month or so. Its really more of an mobile computer more than a phone. My phone history: Prior to this I had a nexus one for a few weeks and prior to that I was using a mytouch.

You have to look at the n900 from 2 different perspectives: hardware and software

Hardware-- Mostly pros here
1) Very solid device - would take a few falls and not break
2) Excellent 5.0mpx Camera with Great Video Recording [ WVGA 848 x 480@25fps]
3) Decent Battery Life
4) TV out -- I've never seen another manufacturer with this feauture and its cool and useful.
5) Reception is great -- exactly what you would expect from a Nokia device

Software -- Some Pro's and Cons here
Maemo : I like the ability ...
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Jayshmay

Mar 12, 2010, 3:52 PM
4yrs?!!!? More like *maybe* the past yr, as in 1.

Your forgetting about the N95! Fck'g awesome phone!!! I even use mine as a wifi hotspot! I love my N95.

But I will admit that Nokia does have a whole lotta catching up to do.
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bluecoyote

Mar 12, 2010, 5:07 PM
The N95 is a chunky slow arse brick of a phone. S60 is way too dated.
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Jayshmay

Mar 12, 2010, 6:06 PM
Umm, I'm not disagring. But it still keeps me happy. S60 is a very, very resourceful & customizable OS.

* I'm waiting for a suitable Android 2.1 (or newer) replacement.*
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ibnturab

Mar 13, 2010, 1:22 AM
The n95 was/is still a legend of cellphones [pre-touch screen]. It still has more features than most current cellphones on the market. It came out in 2007 and had 5.0 megapixed camera, GPS navigation thats not network dependent [ yes you can download the map of the whole world on your memory card if you want], Wifi, and the ability to turn your phone into a wifi spot.
In addition to all the above, symbian OS had the ability to run many application before most cellphone users new what apps were. On top of all that, it was great phone, had a long battery, and was easilt pocketable.

Sure now its old, but that doesn't take anything away from. Nokia has some catching up to do and I don't like symbian on a touch device, but that doesn't make ...
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Jayshmay

Mar 13, 2010, 2:20 AM
Yep, I use my N95 as a wifi hotspot! Of course I keep it plugged in while doing so because using it as a hotspot drains the battery way fast.

Sidenote: sometime this year I do intend on getting an Android smartphone. It's only march though, I'm monitoring the market right now.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 2:41 AM
The N95 was an ok phone for 2007. I found it too slow and the web browser kept bottoming out. It did not make Nokia a bad manufacturer by any means.

The 5800, however, was the nail in the coffin for Nokia.
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Jayshmay

Mar 13, 2010, 3:07 AM
I'm having trouble sleeping...so here I am!

I almost never use the native web browser on my N95. A majority of the time I use Opera Mini. The native browser does suck, it frinkin double loads webpages, it'll load some, and then the scrren will go blank and then it'll start loading all over again all of a sudden, stupid web browser, I don't know what that's all about!
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ibnturab

Mar 13, 2010, 10:45 AM
i have to agree that the native browser sucked but everyone was using Opera which was some much more functional. back when it was released in march 2007, there was nothing on the market remotely close. motorola was still big here in the usa with the nth iteration of the razr which was moto's gift to mankind. ofcourse everything changed in the summer when the iphone changed the market.
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Jayshmay

Mar 13, 2010, 11:56 AM
Yeah well here we are in March 2010 and I'm still happy with my N95. The reason I'm interested in Android is to take advantage of all the advances in the past 2yrs, 1ghz snapdragon processor, 3D graphics & games, large touchscreen displays. I've never had a touchscreen phone, kinetic scrolling is pretty cool.
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hepresearch

Mar 12, 2010, 10:05 PM
bluecoyote said:
Nokia's filing reads like a Keith Olbermann rant.


Only to you, because you can't read big words apparently (like "characterizations").

bluecoyote said:
Grasping at straws much, Nokia?


... more like grasping some awesome new user interface customization for Symbian^3...

bluecoyote said:
"revisionist history, misleading characterizations, unsupported allegations and flawed and contradictory legal theories to turn these fruitless negotiations into a multi-count federal lawsuit."


And somehow you think that sounds like Keith Olbermann ranting?

bluecoyote said:
Number of good Nokia phones nowaday
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 2:08 AM
hepresearch said:


Only to you, because you can't read big words apparently (like "characterizations").

... more like grasping some awesome new user interface customization for Symbian^3...

And somehow you think that sounds like Keith Olbermann ranting?


All it needs is a reference that Apple is "The Worst Company in The World."

But here's my challenge for you: if Nokia smartphones are good, name one new meaningful, relevant advancement they've brought to the table. In fact, name a single initiative that hasn't been a critical AND commercial failure. (let's start with NGage, move to Ovi, and then Comes with Music....)

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Jayshmay

Mar 13, 2010, 3:11 AM
Hmm, where did be quote Star Trek? I missed that in his post appearently.
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bp3dots1

Mar 13, 2010, 8:52 AM
Maybe Master Yoda had a cameo on an episode we didn't see?
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 1:20 PM
Master Yoda=Q

Discuss
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hepresearch

Mar 13, 2010, 2:08 PM
I would not have drawn an equals sign there... but that's just me. Q was seemingly all-powerful, and had a distinct mischief/evil streak in him... I don't see that in Master Yoda...

By the way, I am a fan of Babylon 5, and I really like your Londo Molari gravatar, Menno...
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 2:11 PM
I just found all 5 seasons at walmart for 20 a season.. pretty much made my month (instead of the 50 Best buy wanted)

I was going to make the Gravatar Kosh.. but I'm too long winded to be a Vorlon
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hepresearch

Mar 13, 2010, 2:43 PM
Holey Moley, $20 a season is great compared to what they were selling for last time I checked online. And at WalMart... I'm going up there today actually, so I'll have to look around to see if they have it there...

Haha, yes, even with the short post, you are still too long winded to be a Vorlon... 🤣
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 2:49 PM
"You know, I HATE it when you do that."


"Good"
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hepresearch

Mar 13, 2010, 12:17 PM
bluecoyote said:

All it needs is a reference that Apple is "The Worst Company in The World."


Well, all I've seen you say is that Nokia is the worst company in the world... you, my friend, are the only Keith Olbermann rant going on here...

bluecoyote said:
But here's my challenge for you: if Nokia smartphones are good, name one new meaningful, relevant advancement they've brought to the table. In fact, name a single initiative that hasn't been a critical AND commercial failure. (let's start with NGage, move to Ovi, and then Comes with Music....)


Easy... NGage was a huge hit when the original NGage phones came out in Europe, and to this day the NGage gaming platform...
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 3:31 PM
Let's start with NGage. NGage got a tepid response when it came out despite being a solid device for the time. Sales were well below expectations, and look no further than developer support it has compared to say, the iPhone. The only way you could say the NGage was a success is if your only other metric was the Tapwave Zodiac. Nokia tried to save face by incorporating it into their platform..... and that too has failed and is being discontinued. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Gage )

Comes With Music

Here is a good one... "Comes with Music Bombs"
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1558917/nok ... »

High end Nokias don't sell well in the US because Americans require a reliable pla...
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hepresearch

Mar 13, 2010, 4:36 PM
bluecoyote said:
Let's start with NGage. NGage got a tepid response when it came out despite being a solid device for the time. Sales were well below expectations, and look no further than developer support it has compared to say, the iPhone. The only way you could say the NGage was a success is if your only other metric was the Tapwave Zodiac. Nokia tried to save face by incorporating it into their platform..... and that too has failed and is being discontinued. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Gage )


Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one, regardless of what Wikipedia users say...

After all, NGage is getting old.

bluecoyote said:
Comes With
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 5:42 PM
Windows Mobile is truly the worst OS I've ever encountered- I can say absolutely nothing nice about it as its only talent is its ability to lock up in standby without any human intervention. By the time Sony Ericsson had mangled UIQ to the point of the P1i, they switched over to Windows Mobile- yet in Europe the P1i was a hot device.

S80 was nice, but Nokia abandoned it. S60 and S80 were amazing OS's... in 2004. Nokia dragged their feet with S60 development, and Maemo isn't even on the radar (and it brings practically nothing new to the table.)

So now it's 2010. Nokia has practically no competitive advantage over Apple, RIM, Palm, or Android. That leaves them in no position other than to play patent troll.
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hepresearch

Mar 13, 2010, 5:47 PM
If you're trying to make me ashamed of the phone I use, it's not working...

And if you think you're going to stop me from buying another Nokia, you're also not succeeding, although Apple might succeed in doing that for you...
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 6:51 PM
You don't need me to convince you not to buy another Nokia, Nokia's done a dandy job off that themselves.
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SPCSVZWJeff

Mar 15, 2010, 1:24 PM
This entire thread is was typical of a blinded Apple fanboy. Tell an Apple fanboy that the iPod is not the best music player and the fanatical rage that will come in defending Apple borders on verbal Jihad. The same happens with the iPhone.
Why not save your fanaticism for things that matter. Save the whales, fight crime, join the church or whatever. Trust me Apple and the iPhone don't deserve the veneration they get. Steve Jobs will never be nominated for sainthood. At the end of the day they are just another money grubbing corporation out to get into your pocket.
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 5:43 PM
Nokia doesn't sell well in the US because they don't MAKE major phones for the US. They are available either unlocked, or are only mid-range phones.

Phones don't do well in this market unless they are available on a carrier. The Iphone wouldn't have nearly the numbers it does if you could only get it unlocked and unsubsidized through apple.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 6:58 PM
Nokia has consistently had S60 devices available for AT&T and T-Mobile, including the N75, E71, 6790, etc, as well as the hot-selling NGage and NGage QD.
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 7:00 PM
again, all mid-range devices
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 1:21 PM
bluecoyote said:
There are two things I hate- crappy phones, and long winded replies by people who don't know what they're talking about.


And yet you are forced to read what your write before you post it... that must be hard.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 3:33 PM
It would be if I didn't have any understanding of software development, platform development, patent law, and cell phones.
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 3:40 PM
So yes, it must be terrible for you.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 3:46 PM
I should've added onto that list "and cannot comprehend replies" but that might've flown over your head as well.
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JoeyEsquire

Mar 15, 2010, 3:58 PM
"I pledge aligience, to Steve Jobs, and to the world changing product he produced. One device over all, no matter the evidence against it" oh yeah "Amen"
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murmermer

Mar 13, 2010, 2:08 PM
I think its funny how you talk about how great nokia is when the next device you want runs a 369 MHz ARM11 CPU and a 2.4" QVGA resolution screen. LOLZ

based on that alone you're opinion of a "high-end" device is completely bunk!!!
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hepresearch

Mar 13, 2010, 2:39 PM
murmermer said:
I think its funny how you talk about how great nokia is when the next device you want runs a 369 MHz ARM11 CPU and a 2.4" QVGA resolution screen. LOLZ


Nokia has much better phones now than the E75, but I'm not buying it to have the latest and greatest. I'm going to buy it because I'll be able to do it affordably when I'm ready. I don't ever buy the newest phones because I like to see that they are tested and tried before they ever get into my hands. I probably won't go for a S60 5th Edition phone until 2012 or so. And just because something is old does not mean it doesn't work well.

Nokia makes good stable phones for the most part, and 369 MHz is plenty fast for my needs. I have not...
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SPCSVZWJeff

Mar 13, 2010, 6:19 PM
Great reply. However you lost him with facts. When dealing with fanboys facts are not welcome unless they are to support someone's "cool" or "sucks" position.

Your links to articles that show a weakness of the iPhone were totally ignored.

Also ignored is the reality that S60 has been the most powerful OS for wireless until recently.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 6:48 PM
"Your links to articles that show a weakness of the iPhone were totally ignored."

Please name the said article in response that demonstrates the weakness of the iPhone in regards to S60, mr. "fanboy." And since when have I ignored that S60 was once a powerful OS? The key difference is 'recently' - S60 was surpassed by Blackberry in 2007, then the iPhone, then Android, and now Palm. It's been 3 years.

This is the problem, rather than find a cogent argument or dialogue it's easier for you to label someone as a "fanboy."
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Butthead007

Mar 12, 2010, 11:12 PM
Your ignorance is mind numbing blue. Nokia is the largest mobile handset manufacturer in the WORLD. How you can claim they have no intellectual property rights versus the new to the mobile market Apple is beyond comprehension.

Granted, you may delude yourself into believing that buying that ipod now makes you an expert on apple, but you seriously need to examine apple as a company for the past 25 years to fully understand them. I have been using apple computers probably longer than you have been alive. Based on your completely ignorant posts, I would peg you at 23, 25 tops. It would not surprise me to hear a rebuttal from you that you are 17.

Seriously, get a clue. Learn how businesses are run. Learn history.

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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 2:33 AM
Ok Butthead007, I'm going to break this down for you.

First off, Nokia does have significant IP in its arsenal, but you're confusing what's licensed by Nokia and what's licensed by the GSM trade group. (Or see it this way- Apple has a lot of IP related to media (e.g. MPEG 4) that isn't licensed by Apple but the trade group they are a part of) Nokia's patent suit is an attempt to license Apple's UI elements in exchange for some useless Nokia patents. If you want to know why Nokia wants Apple's UI elements, look as to how they've advanced on that front. Nokia 5800- need I say more? And Apple's been making mobile devices for a pretty long time.

You're bringing up age? Is your argument that weak? I can tell you I'm well familiar with App...
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SPCSVZWJeff

Mar 15, 2010, 1:28 PM
Which proves that they are grossly overcharging everyone.
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JoeyEsquire

Mar 15, 2010, 4:04 PM
😲 🤣 🤣 🤣

He' won't realize that Jeff
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