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I hope they do

RockTripod

Mar 12, 2010, 3:10 PM
I am sick to death of seeing all these lawsuits. They are doing nothing but slowing innovation. At the same time that I understand Apple defending their patents, I also hate them for keeping any other company from using multi-touch capabilities. Maybe I'm reaching here, but if no other companies can use or enable mutli-touch, then we'll have the iPhone, and no other touch screen only devices. Which is crap.
I hate Apple, and I don't hide it. This is yet another reason why. For all their talk about making innovations, they can't stand whenever anyone else does. Find a way to license this tech out to other companies, please! I am sick of reading about 1 lawsuit after another. I look forward to how this company works after the reign...
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bluecoyote

Mar 12, 2010, 5:09 PM
At least yet.

Their HTC suit is mostly about HTC copying touch screen gestures Apple pioneered.
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RockTripod

Mar 12, 2010, 7:24 PM
Well, that makes it so much better! 😛
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Menno

Mar 12, 2010, 11:06 PM
Besides that HTC didn't copy them, Google Did.
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Slammer

Mar 13, 2010, 9:42 AM
I agree. HTC is the most prominent and primary source for Android. I believe Apple's intent is to slow HTC's manufacturing of Android products. This would greatly open up the market for Apple. Palm's OS and method of operation is more closely related to Apple's, yet no law suit(Palm not seen as competition). Samsung's Instinct HD and other Manufacturers also employ very similar finger gestures, yet no suits. I just don't understand Apple. It is not like they don't make a great product. I just feel that they will play football as long as they can have all players on the field and the other team is only allowed half of the team. This is why I have hated Apple for so long. Take all their idiotic schemes and control out of the mix, and they woul...
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 1:01 PM
It may have to do with the fact that Google isn't distributing the OS, HTC is.
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 1:18 PM
then they should also be suing Motorola, Samsung, LG, etc.

But they're not. They're like the school bully trying to find the easiest target because they don't actually have any real strength, just bluster.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 3:20 PM
Well it's this simple - HTC's been ripping off the iPhone UI the longest, going back to the HTC Touch. Given this is hitting on both the WinMo and Android (but mostly Android) side of it.

I'm willing to bet Motorola and Samsung are next.
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 4:06 PM
They are going after android, they just threw the WINMO in there for good measure.

TouchFLO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oUp4wOcUc4 »
Doesn't look that similar.

It also got approved by the FCC July 2007
Iphone was May of the same year. I'm willing to bet they spent more than a couple months working on the UI.

are you talking the "Grid" design? you mean the one that every cellphone's used for years?

Seriously.. how can anyone look at that OS overlay and say they are "ripping off apple."
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 9:53 PM
Duhhhhh Gestures, Genius.
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 10:03 PM
there is nowhere in the iphone UI where a swipe up from the bottom of the screen loads a menu of available folders (music, song, etc)

You can't patent "swiping on the screen does something"
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thebigsaxon

Mar 14, 2010, 12:39 AM
Menno said:
there is nowhere in the iphone UI where a swipe up from the bottom of the screen loads a menu of available folders (music, song, etc)

You can't patent "swiping on the screen does something"



Apple does and apparently they have a BS patent to show for it from 2009, 5 years after it has been on the market, un-patented.
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Debo

Mar 13, 2010, 1:23 PM
suing over patent infringement is how business is done. I agree that Apple is attempting to kill innovation in this way, but the real problem is the patent office. If you read the list of patents that Apple is suing both Nokia and HTC each one is so broad that they can sue almost every electronics manufacturer in the world for patent infringement.

I am NOT saying Apple is innocent in this. They shouldn't have even gone after these broad patents, but it's the patent office's fault for bestowing Apple with them.
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RockTripod

Mar 13, 2010, 1:46 PM
I whole-heartedly agree with your comment on the patent office. If you read any of the patents these companies have, and Apple seems to be in the limelight for these lately, they are exceptionally vague phrases. They don't have anything to do with how these technologies will be implemented. They're just ideas. I think I'll patent teleporters. That way, when someone comes up with it, I can sue them and make my fortunes for simply having an imagination. This will be my patent filing:
A technology to convey matter from one place to another without traversing the space in between.
Boom, done. Now someone invent it so i can sue.
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murmermer

Mar 13, 2010, 1:37 PM
So if you created a new battery that gave 10 times more charge than current Li-ion by doing something so simple it makes people smack their forehead and say "Why didn't I think of that?". Meanwhile you spent your own money and time INVESTING into the technology and the redesigned hardware needed to take advantage of your new technology. You wouldn't be upset if other companies started using your technology and sold it as their own without your consent or reprisal?

you sir are truly a humanitarian!
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 2:23 PM
Besides we're not talking about investing tons of time and money into making a battery. We're talking about "Oh, use the touchscreen to unlock the touchscreen"

Yes, it was a new idea, but if you told ANY programmer what you wanted they could make it work.

and "power saver" technology existed before the iphone, though it was mainly computers that did it.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 3:44 PM
Do you think Apple just waves a magic wand and says "Power management! Bam!" or do you think a team of engineers sat down and worked and refined tens of thousands of lines of code to measure and control processes? Is this something you think was just done in a week?

Do you think most of the UI elements in the iPhone were developed by some really smart dudes between 2 and 4PM one day and chucked on the phone and said "done?"

Do you think Apple just knew all along it would work a certain way or did they internally test things such as the consistency of input responses from the phone, the amount of variation on a particular axis when registering a swipe, and how to process extraneous inputs on the touch screen? Yeah it seems obvious now ...
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Caucasian

Mar 14, 2010, 1:39 PM
My 700wx, before the iPhone was even a rumor, had touch capabilities and more importantly gesturing through third party programs (which tells me that it probably isn't exactly "tens of thousands of lines of code".)

Just because Apple was the first to incorporate it into a phones core OS doesn't mean anything. If memory serves me right Samsung put the first MP3 player in a phone, can they sue the pants off of Apple? By your logic, yes. Apple didn't invent multi-touch, and they didn't invent the phone, they put the two together. That doesn't mean they should have exclusive rights to multi-touch. The same goes for gesturing.

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RockTripod

Mar 13, 2010, 3:00 PM
That would be why I said Apple needs to find a way to LICENSE this. Again, and I swear you're ignoring this part, I thoroughly understand that Apple would want to defend their patents. I just hate when it gets in the way of progress or, in this case, competition.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 3:48 PM
Companies like Nokia could sit down and come up with a better user interface.

If it wasn't for the iPhone, we'd all be using Blackberry knockoffs. Apple made the push for an all-touch-screen device, Nokia needs to come up with the next big thing. Except I don't honestly believe they have that kind of talent on board.
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murmermer

Mar 13, 2010, 3:58 PM
Its Apple's intellectual property!!! they OWN it, the United States government said Apple owns it. they can do whatever they want with it. If you owned 1,000 acres of beach front property would you want the some guy saying you HAVE to build condos on it and lease them out because its not fair?
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Menno

Mar 13, 2010, 5:34 PM
Yes, because it should be possible to "own" an idea so broad-based and general that it covers all touchscreen interaction, even interactions that apple doesn't use themselves.

If these companies were copying their CODE or dead-copying their UI, there might be an issue. But apple is suing over IDEAS not implementation.
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bluecoyote

Mar 13, 2010, 7:01 PM
Actually, technically Apple is suing over processes, not ideas, but what do you think R&D is? Should telephones never have been patented because it's just the IDEA of talking to someone?

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