Verizon Begins webOS Updates, Too

Android has been out for a year (G1 cleared FCC in AUG 08, it launched. It was launched in October of 08

So that is not quite a year and a half. It's improved drastically in that time. If you think android is a clusterfuck it's not for you. it's not a system that's made for a completely seamless user experience because it offers customization, and no system that offers that customization can be completely seamless (until you set it the way YOU want it). Android isn't for everyone, and it isn't trying to be (though OS overlays like Sense help). But this doesn't make the OS a clusterfuck.

You like Webos, great. I prefer android, also great. Both systems have their place, and I'm excited to see where both OS's will be in a year f...
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Why did i have to download an app to be able to close apps on my droid?

Why not?

The Droid automatically closes down apps after a certain idle time, but someone found it would make the machine faster by manually closing them down.

FYI, you can shut them down without ATK, but it's pretty hard to navigate to in the settings menu. ATK made shutting stuff down a lot easier.

rarodrig26 said:
You ever get tired of hating on things so much? You need a hobby or something. We get you prefer android but that's just your opinion. I personally wouldn't use an android phone if someone paid me. I sell android and webos phones (i own a pre) and find that the pre is so much more user friendly it's not even funny. If i were google i'd be embarrased that Android has been out for over 2 yrs and is still a cluster f**k of an operating system. Webos has been out all of 8 mnths now & the UI is leeps ahead, not to mention that palm puts out significant updates every month pretty much.

This particular subject caught my attention. Before I put in my two cents, I'm just gonna point out that blueco...
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It all comes down to marketing and positioning. The problem is Palm is trying to position the Pre how Microsoft positioned the Zune.

Android, an OS with significantly less polish and significantly more problems, but Android is marketing itself as open with endless possibilities. It may be a load of bull (root your Android phone? go pound sand if it breaks) , but Google has the marketing dollars to keep it afloat until people realize the entire platform is a pile of garbage (or until they fix it.)

Palm needs tighter integration with Verizon and Sprint- if you walk into a VZW or Sprint store and say "show me your best smartphone" they're likely to hand you a Blackberry Storm before they get to the Pre.

That's because Palm isn't positioning their phone as a smartphone, they're positioning it as a neat gadget.
Other companies market to certain cores:
Blackberry: Email, Messaging, Corp Server Sync (this is one reason the Storm did so poorly, tech issues asside.. they tried marketing it as a "cool touchscreen" not a Blackberry Touchscreen.)

Iphone: Media powerhouse, thousands of apps, games, the simplicity couples with the tens of thousands of choices.

Windows: We have Office! yeah... their marketing is pretty mad atm, but most people know what they're getting into with a windows phone cause those that don't tend to avoid the term windows like the plague.

Android: Customization (not all of it requires rooting, actually most of...
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I work at a corporate retail store and have been saying this for years about marketing and advertisment. A customer can think Verizon: "It's the network", ATT: "More bars in more places/ Fastest 3G network", T-Mobile "Get more", Sprint "Now Network(which is somewhat new- the other carriers have been saying the same thing for years)". But "Now network" what? What? Verizon customers will come in the store and take up "the network", we can call anywhere. Sprint/Palm get it together. 😡

CellKrazy said:


This particular subject caught my attention. Before I put in my two cents, I'm just gonna point out that bluecoyote is using falsified information and using it as basis for an argument. A complete and utter fool I might say.

Now. I've used Palm products in the past. WebOS happens to be the best thing that has come out of them. When the Pre came out, I was impressed but not enough to give up my iPhone. I didn't want to wait for applications to be developed or switch to Sprint who sucks by the way. Maybe had it been released on Verizon I would have considered it more. But I just couldn't bare dealing with Sprint's B.S. again

While android or whatever their name is comes off as a bit harsh and bias

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I mess with him just because it's amusing

Mixzing Media player for music. Smart playlists, automatic album art retrieval, you can select which files it finds to play. Like/Dislike for smart playlists. Smart looking interfact, especially the Full window Widget.

Oh, and I don't even NEED music stored locally, there are Cloud music players, or the ever present pandora (that I can run in the background).

Meridian for movies (significantly better than the ipod's movie player, especially for navigation.. and droid lasts longer with movies than the ipod does)

I have an ipod, I've used it.. maybe twice since I got my phone. The only time I need to use it is when I want to listen to music I got in the APPLE store that I haven't converted to DRM free yet. I know a lot of peo...
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'Nuff said.

BTW, Meridian is pathetic compared to the iPhone and WebOS's built in players. I haven't seen tag support that bad since I left Windows Mobile, and its background playback is ridiculously clunky by comparison.

And a cloud media player? BSFlag.

nuff said.

There have been three iphones.. and after three years how much have the innovated? Exactly.

I said Meridian for movies, not music.



SugarSync, Nutsie, Musicstation, and iMEEM all allow you to stream music from your computer (or other storage) to your Phone, meaning you don't have to have it on your device. There is another system.. I can't remember the name of it atm, but it is huge in Europe, that does something similar. It got so popular that they banned it's used on a lot of college networks because of bandwidth issues (over wifi)

You're right, we've had no innovations except...

1) Pandora (whose usage doubled after the iPhone App's debut)

2) Mobile advertising (AdMob, etc.)

3) "The App Store"

4) OTA downloads that don't cost an arm and a leg.

5) Google Earth on a mobile device.

6) Desktop-class applications on a mobile device.

7) Actual profits coming from mobile development.

😎 100,000 applications

9) Content distribution completely independent of a carrier.

10) Widespread support for 3rd party applications (as in "Hey your phone is crashing? Well delete every application off of it, THEN talk to us. This is what Verizon and Sprint would tell you to do before the iPhone)

11) Sites switching to proper video formats such as H.264 (NBC,...
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and again, that is the ORIGINAL IPHONE. What has apple done since then? "Oh, this is the iphone, but faster! oh, this one finally adds mms and copy paste!

Again, apple is resting on their laurels from past accomplishments. in three versions, the actually device has barely changed, and the "Features" can all basically work on the original phone (so no "new" things, just "tweaks")

1. And yet you still can't use it the one way a lot of people want to use it.

2. AdMob was it's own company. The Iphone helped them becoming powerful, but apple didn't create it.

5. Google did that, not Apple.

6. Yes, the ipad has some desktop quality apps. I'd prefer it actually be a Desktop OS.

7. Economies of scale more than something...
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You're missing the entire point. Apple may not have written Google Earth for the iPhone, but instead Apple streamlined the Cocoa API to allow it to be written on a phone. HTML5 wasn't even on the table before Apple's own webkit efforts. Millions of smartphones existed long before the iPhone but for some reason Admob never hit it big until the iPhone- why do you think that is?

And meanwhile what innovations has its competitors given us? Memory leaks? Crappy hardware keyboards? Inconsistent multitouch implementation? A higher resolution screen that isn't as good as its competitor's lower-resolution screens? Apple slapping on some stupid checklist feature isn't innovation, rather carefully cultivating high quality development is.

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Compare Youtube (html5) to HQ Flash. If you say there is no difference you are blind. People don't "prefer" flash more than they prefer Qwerty keyboards. it's what they're used to, and because of that, the development is much better. HTML5 is amazing, but it's not the only thing out there (infact it's barely even a standard yet.. so forcing people to develop on it and only it is stupid)

Google:
-Wholly new way of thinking about email (gmail)
-Google earth
-Google Maps (with street view)
-you snap a picture of something and it will find it for you online
-snap a picture of some text, and it will translate it for you
-Cloud syncing so that no matter where you are, you get access to everything you need (just look at Chrome.. you'...
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So essentially your saying Apple is doing the same thing with the Iphone that Moto did with the Razr. They are stuck in a rut and not innovating. Probably cause they don't feel threatened.