Microsoft to Announce Windows Mobile 7 On Feb. 15
The answer to.... "what makes Android look like a well organized platform"
Windows Mobile is in its current state unbelievably bad- it's like an also-ran of also-rans. It's always been pretty much unusable- the fact it once took 7 taps just to kill an app so you could check your email blows my mind.
Microsoft has two options-
1) Start clean ala WebOS (sounds like what they're doing) - except they have zero developer support left. I mean honestly, they're going to be fighting for whoever doesn't want to develop for the iPhone, WebOS, Blackberry, S60, and Android. Way to enter a half-over marathon.
2) Slap on another layer of pig lipstick.
Let's hope if nothing else they at least add in a decent web browser (highly unlikely, Windows 7 doesn't even get one) decent media player (likely), sy...
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Microsoft has two options-
1) Start clean ala WebOS (sounds like what they're doing) - except they have zero developer support left. I mean honestly, they're going to be fighting for whoever doesn't want to develop for the iPhone, WebOS, Blackberry, S60, and Android. Way to enter a half-over marathon.
2) Slap on another layer of pig lipstick.
Let's hope if nothing else they at least add in a decent web browser (highly unlikely, Windows 7 doesn't even get one) decent media player (likely), sy...
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In all honesty, I disagree. Windows may not have a trillion fart apps, and for that I am actually glad.
For example, WMWifiRouter. Every single WinMo device I've had since the HTC 6800 has been a walking WiFi hotspot for my laptop or PMP. Never had to pay any extra monthly fees for it. And the built in and unlockable Internet Sharing is useful as well. Both are free of charge.
WMTorrent, I can Bit Torrent straight onto my device. May not seem useful but if a friend tells me about a new band...say... Steel Panther and how I need to listen to it I can have a full CD in my hands in a matter of 20 minutes. And if my phone is going to sit on a charger all night and I pay for unlimited data, may as well take advantage of that.
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For example, WMWifiRouter. Every single WinMo device I've had since the HTC 6800 has been a walking WiFi hotspot for my laptop or PMP. Never had to pay any extra monthly fees for it. And the built in and unlockable Internet Sharing is useful as well. Both are free of charge.
WMTorrent, I can Bit Torrent straight onto my device. May not seem useful but if a friend tells me about a new band...say... Steel Panther and how I need to listen to it I can have a full CD in my hands in a matter of 20 minutes. And if my phone is going to sit on a charger all night and I pay for unlimited data, may as well take advantage of that.
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I agree there is a huge community for winmo devices, check out xda developers. I will say winmo is a great platform just really dated. I really hope Microsoft does something awesome with Winmo 7. It will be better for the consumer as far as features and innovation. Look how apple has dragged its feet with the iphone because they don't feel they've been challenged.
From what I've been reading the HD2 will be the first phone to get Winmo 7. I've heard it might even come at launch at the end of March. Which makes sense if Microsoft shows off a finished version. We will see should be sweet.
From what I've been reading the HD2 will be the first phone to get Winmo 7. I've heard it might even come at launch at the end of March. Which makes sense if Microsoft shows off a finished version. We will see should be sweet.
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Question for you, you seem to be very WinMo knowledgable. Any idea as to how I would go about tethering a Samsung Blackjack 2?
Is it really easy tethering with WinMo?
Is it really easy tethering with WinMo?
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It comes built in, most carriers disable it because it can't be traced as Tethering usage. There are multiple ways such as WiFi, BT or direct tether. For direct tethering it is a Key that you need to change with any RegEditor(different for each phone model) I prefer WiFi, direct tethering isn't really any faster and you don't have to redo it everytime you hard reset. Once changed youll have an option when its plugged in instead of just "Disk Drive" and "Active Sync".
Checkout PPCGeeks or XDA-dev for the downloads. Also a ton of free stuff at Freewareppc
Checkout PPCGeeks or XDA-dev for the downloads. Also a ton of free stuff at Freewareppc
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Ok, so you mentioned RegEditor, but is it really that easy? I haven't actually gotten it yet, it's the Samsung Blackjack 2.
Where is the RegEditor located in WimMo, you said carriers hide the internet sharing. How I will be tethering is usb cable. Samsung Blackjack 2 doesn't have wifi.
Where is the RegEditor located in WimMo, you said carriers hide the internet sharing. How I will be tethering is usb cable. Samsung Blackjack 2 doesn't have wifi.
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You download one. I'll PM you my email and I can email you stuff that way. Ill try to find the key for it on down time today.
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Ok that's fine. I love tethering. Plus now that ATT is spending between $18-$19bln on network upgrades adding 3x more fiber optics, hopefully things will be a bit snappier later this year.
So PM me, and in the msg, just include your Phone Scoop username, so I know who it is.
Thanks for the help, and again, it's the Samsung Blackjack 2.
So PM me, and in the msg, just include your Phone Scoop username, so I know who it is.
Thanks for the help, and again, it's the Samsung Blackjack 2.
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First off, let's talk about the first two applications. Sprint's TOS specifically prohibits such usage. (Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mo all do as well) . I could tether with my Mogul too and even due Bluetooth PAN (it crapped out every 15 minutes or so as well.).
Same goes for BitTorrent. Direct. Violation. Not a question about it.
But let's talk about the things Windows mobile doesn't have- decent social networking apps, decent attachment support, let alone an email client that works. I'd place those all a little higher than a BitTorrent client I agreed not to run when I signed up for service. Hell, there isn't an IM application I would even rely on. Do you honestly mean to tell me AgileMessenger is as good as BeeJive?
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Same goes for BitTorrent. Direct. Violation. Not a question about it.
But let's talk about the things Windows mobile doesn't have- decent social networking apps, decent attachment support, let alone an email client that works. I'd place those all a little higher than a BitTorrent client I agreed not to run when I signed up for service. Hell, there isn't an IM application I would even rely on. Do you honestly mean to tell me AgileMessenger is as good as BeeJive?
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I can careless about ToS, I'm not married to a frinking carrier! I pay the bill, I own the device, and I won't be told what I can and can't do with a device I own.
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He doesn't care about TOS either, just making it seem that my points are null and void by saying they're against the contract that he assumes we all have to sign.
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You're arguing that the strengths of your platform are all based on hacks that you agreed in a contract not to do.
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That's downright ridiculous. I could argue that the strength of the iPhone is how easy it is to jailbreak (which gives it 10x the functionality of your Mogul at the expense of making it only twice as reliable.) .
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That's downright ridiculous. I could argue that the strength of the iPhone is how easy it is to jailbreak (which gives it 10x the functionality of your Mogul at the expense of making it only twice as reliable.) .
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gonna have to agree with bluecoyote (gasp) on this one; you can't tout that the strength of your platform is how easy it is to pirate music or steal data service from a carrier. i'm not trying to be pious about this (who hasn't done a little torrenting) but if a platform can't offer anything outside of 'hackability' then meh.
regardless, i'm *extremely* excited about winmo 7 🙂
regardless, i'm *extremely* excited about winmo 7 🙂
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I simply stated what the phone can do (no hacks needed by the way, as I said, the phone is open source in a way no other phone is) using online freeware.
And if the discussion is "this phone is capable of _____ without use of Jailbreaks, roots, or ROM rewrites" and your argument is "But that's not within the TOS!" then you're obviously unable to understand the original statement. This discussion is about the utility of an OS, not a carriers contracts.
My statement still remains that it is extremely usable, multifunctional, and people have created software for the phone that you cannot find on any other platform, even if you "hacked" (misnomer) another phone. These programs are easily downloaded to the phone, installed on the phone, wi...
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And if the discussion is "this phone is capable of _____ without use of Jailbreaks, roots, or ROM rewrites" and your argument is "But that's not within the TOS!" then you're obviously unable to understand the original statement. This discussion is about the utility of an OS, not a carriers contracts.
My statement still remains that it is extremely usable, multifunctional, and people have created software for the phone that you cannot find on any other platform, even if you "hacked" (misnomer) another phone. These programs are easily downloaded to the phone, installed on the phone, wi...
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Personally I don't consider it stealing inernet, when I am already paying for it! Reguardless of "how" I use the internet that I'm PAYING for. I don't consider it stealing just because I'm tethering.
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You'd have to be using a ridiculous amount of data for them to ever consider it. Since they do have to pay for the bulk of their bandwidth unlike AT&T and to a lesser extent VZW, but unless you're over and over costing them money, they're not going drop someone unless they absolutely have to.
I guarantee a lot more people use tethering, even if against TOS, than one would assume. People who frequent this site, and others similar in nature (Gizmodo, Techcrunch, etc.) who are capable of figuring out how, do.
I guarantee a lot more people use tethering, even if against TOS, than one would assume. People who frequent this site, and others similar in nature (Gizmodo, Techcrunch, etc.) who are capable of figuring out how, do.
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TOS states they can do whatever the hell they want. I will gladly do the same. Besides, I don't have an agreement with them, I wish they would do that, because I'd have a 0.00 per month plan for many moons.
On to more pressing matters of why you need to be on Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, Tumblr, MSN, AIM, ICQ, Yahoo! and Gmail messengers all at once apparently. I text and email a ton. I don't have a whole lot of time for checking out who is dating who. Social Networking is the opiate of the masses anymore. WinMo isn't made for social networking. 7 may prove to lean in that direction, but I wouldn't recommend a teen get one of these phones, someone with a bit of nerd in 'em will want WinMo because they're fun to mess with.
EAS with mobil...
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On to more pressing matters of why you need to be on Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, Tumblr, MSN, AIM, ICQ, Yahoo! and Gmail messengers all at once apparently. I text and email a ton. I don't have a whole lot of time for checking out who is dating who. Social Networking is the opiate of the masses anymore. WinMo isn't made for social networking. 7 may prove to lean in that direction, but I wouldn't recommend a teen get one of these phones, someone with a bit of nerd in 'em will want WinMo because they're fun to mess with.
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No it doesn't actually! It very specifically states you cannot use a phone data plan for tethering or P2P Networks! Read your friggin TOS and stop justifying crap.
Obviously your standards aren't too high- MS Office support is a joke, as is Outlook (which still has issues with IMAP servers in 20 friggin 10) You may not be a teen, you may just be a business that uses Facebook or Twitter- the likelihood is a lot higher than anyone listening to Steel Panther.
Have you noticed how much better a 20 page PDF, presentation, or expense report displays on an iPhone? You should sometime- maybe open up the task manager and kill off the media player to compensate for the limited RAM on the Mogul and watch as the iPhone navigates...
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Obviously your standards aren't too high- MS Office support is a joke, as is Outlook (which still has issues with IMAP servers in 20 friggin 10) You may not be a teen, you may just be a business that uses Facebook or Twitter- the likelihood is a lot higher than anyone listening to Steel Panther.
Have you noticed how much better a 20 page PDF, presentation, or expense report displays on an iPhone? You should sometime- maybe open up the task manager and kill off the media player to compensate for the limited RAM on the Mogul and watch as the iPhone navigates...
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I don't care what the TOS reads. As I said, they can see what I'm using, and have yet to have a problem with it obviously.
Yes the Iphone has set standards in the multimedia facet of phones. I never said that point didn't exist, infact that's not even what I was talking about.
As far as "janky" I'd have to disagree, if you've got the right versions of DivX, WMP or Kinoma, you're golden. I don't have to convert my video formats over. My Pre does a better job of rendering, but overall I'd say I like the TP2 better because of screen size, which is unrelated to Windows so it's a moot point.
After my company switched from Lotus Notes to Outlook I prefer Outlook because of the compatibility with EAS. Once our IT department got everythin...
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Yes the Iphone has set standards in the multimedia facet of phones. I never said that point didn't exist, infact that's not even what I was talking about.
As far as "janky" I'd have to disagree, if you've got the right versions of DivX, WMP or Kinoma, you're golden. I don't have to convert my video formats over. My Pre does a better job of rendering, but overall I'd say I like the TP2 better because of screen size, which is unrelated to Windows so it's a moot point.
After my company switched from Lotus Notes to Outlook I prefer Outlook because of the compatibility with EAS. Once our IT department got everythin...
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"On to more pressing matters of why you need to be on Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, Tumblr, MSN, AIM, ICQ, Yahoo! and Gmail messengers all at once apparently. I text and email a ton. I don't have a whole lot of time for checking out who is dating who. Social Networking is the opiate of the masses anymore. WinMo isn't made for social networking. 7 may prove to lean in that direction, but I wouldn't recommend a teen get one of these phones, someone with a bit of nerd in 'em will want WinMo because they're fun to mess with."
lol ok so your brand of electronic communication is apperently more sophisticated or stands on some sort of higher moral ground? but when you're done getting over yourself it might become obvioust that many of the apps you...
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lol ok so your brand of electronic communication is apperently more sophisticated or stands on some sort of higher moral ground? but when you're done getting over yourself it might become obvioust that many of the apps you...
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Not more sophisticated than anyones use. Different, yes, which is why I went on to ask why he needed to be on all of them.
Anyways.
The Apps for social networking on the Iphone, the Pre, and Android smoke the heck out of WinMo (even newer dumbphones do a better job). I don't ever use them though, so the point of view I have is....they're pointless to me. I have no doubt they're leaning towards a more social network friendly phone, just as Palm did. It'll be the first thing on my delete list as well.
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The Apps for social networking on the Iphone, the Pre, and Android smoke the heck out of WinMo (even newer dumbphones do a better job). I don't ever use them though, so the point of view I have is....they're pointless to me. I have no doubt they're leaning towards a more social network friendly phone, just as Palm did. It'll be the first thing on my delete list as well.
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Well arguments stated I have owned all of the latest phone OS except Palm, and I am still with WinMo. And I must say I am very satisfied anything the other OS can do so can my windows mobile, handle email are you kidding me as you would say for your iphone (to get push) windows has an app for that too. Sync itunes oh windows can do that, social networking apps (seriously) have you tried the Facebook app and integration on Windows Mobile (just as good if not better than iphone and android my wife has iphone and I am dual booting to android for kicks). Here is what alot of people who compare WinMo to other phone OS don't understand (same for PC platform) is that Windows conforms for ALL hardware in case you guys didnt' know and is not propr...
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