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Thank you FCC...NOT!!!

PACWEST

Feb 4, 2010, 6:08 PM

Finding a buyer in the U.S. market will be difficult, as an acquisition by AT&T would likely run into regulatory hurdles

Why not let ATT buy TMO? Eh? If they want to and have the money, let em'
VZW seems to be wiping the mat with ATT lately and with the future going to LTE anyways, I don't see any harm in ONE GSM carrier here in the US. Drooling
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Versed

Feb 4, 2010, 6:32 PM
PACWEST said:


Why not let ATT buy TMO? Eh? If they want to and have the money, let em'
VZW seems to be wiping the mat with ATT lately and with the future going to LTE anyways, I don't see any harm in ONE GSM carrier here in the US. Drooling


Actually AT&T is probably the only one with the money to buy them right now. As well as logistically its a match. Now saying all that, better off for all, if they stay independent.
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Jayshmay

Feb 4, 2010, 11:12 PM
I think Tmo has had a really good influence on the industry the past 2yrs or so. It's because of Tmo that ATT has A-List and Vzn/Alltel has F&F. If Tmo never had MyFav, none of those other unlimited plans would exist.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 12:43 AM
Alltel had My Circle before T-Mobile had My Favs AND My Circle was better. So I would say that it is because Verizon acquired Alltel and chose to keep and re-brand My Circle that AT&T has A-List. They didn't care what T-Mobile was doing. When Verizon started then they had to copy it.
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Jayshmay

Feb 5, 2010, 7:08 PM
Ah. . . you sure do know your wireless history Azeron!!!!
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ygbhen

Feb 4, 2010, 7:27 PM
They should run into regulatory issues. The deal would be bad for consumers and decrease competition. Plus, it would make no sense for ATT to purchase TMobile b/c it would have to probably divest most of their purchase just to get the FCC's blessing. As for VZ wiping the mat with ATT? Where did you get your numbers b/c other than a few cute commercials, the numbers don't add up. ATT has been performing excellently. This is probably a good time for maybe Vodafone to come to the US market. They could use the proceeds from the sale of their VZ Wireless assets to purchase TMobile. There has been pressure on Vodafone to make a sale and VZ definitely wants 100% ownership in their best performing division.
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Azeron

Feb 4, 2010, 8:32 PM
Vodaphone made a bid for ATTWS. No one knows if it was a serious bid or just a ploy to drive up the price of the acquisition. With the recent news that Vodaphone has seen no dividends from Verizon Wireless despite owning forty-five percent of the company, I would not blame them for wanting to get out of that deal and into one where they are the driving force behind the company's direction and beneficiary of its success.
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Menno

Feb 4, 2010, 9:35 PM
From what I've read at stock sites.. Verizon Wireless should start paying dividends this year (they were using it to pay back internal debt up to this point or something)

Plus I'm sure that Verizon would raise a big stink if Vodaphone tried entering on their own so soon.
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Versed

Feb 4, 2010, 10:49 PM
Yes, but I'm sure Verizon would be more then happy to buy out Voda's holdings in VZW. Its not secret they want VZW, lock stock and barrel.

This would allow Voda to buy TMO-US, especially with the bucks they got for their 45% (or whatever).
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Jayshmay

Feb 5, 2010, 12:09 AM
Hey Menno, do you have this problem with your Droid?

http://forum.androidcentral.com/motorola-droid/6229- ... »
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Tomdg07

Feb 5, 2010, 2:19 AM
y do people always hound menno in forums about unrelated issues to the topic up for debate?????? Surprised
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 10:49 AM
"Hound" is a bit harsh. They've been having this Android discussion off and on for a while now. Jay seeks Menno's advice on Android related issues (as he wants to take the Android plunge once AT&T gets an Android phone) and Menno offers sage advice. He doesn't seem to mind giving his opinion on the subject. Sorry that it bothers you more than Menno.
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Tomdg07

Feb 5, 2010, 12:40 PM
didn't mean to be harsh, just found it funny, why dont they speak in the android platform forum? i guess not my battle im not much of a poster since can not log into the site at work but just like to add my 2 cents in when i get home every once in a while.
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Jayshmay

Feb 5, 2010, 7:17 PM
Yep! Thaks for stricking up for me Azeron! Just trying to get educated on the whole Android thing is all,...I mean no harm.
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Menno

Feb 5, 2010, 3:20 AM
Nope.. since I rooted it, it will sometimes not diplay my widgets for a bit, but it will reset itself within 1min and be fine. never had it freeze to point of battery pull yet.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 12:47 AM
It didn't stop Vodaphone from bidding on ATTWS. Had Vodaphone won (no way Cingular was going to be outbid, but let's play with it for a moment) THEN they would have been forced to sell their stake in VZW. I would do it if I were Vodaphone.
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trojandrew

Feb 4, 2010, 8:50 PM
yeah... 1 GSM carrier in the US, ewe. normally i dislike government interference with the free market but this is an area they should definitely be involved, it would be ugly for comptetition for all those GSM devices to all of a sudden be on 1 carrier here in the states.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 12:39 AM
There isn't a snowball's chance that AT&T would be allowed to absorb T-Mobile under this regime. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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Azeron

Feb 4, 2010, 8:20 PM
How is Verizon "wiping the mat" with AT&T? AT&T is still selling more phones. They added a half million more subscribers in quarter four than the Big Red V.
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Otowncell

Feb 4, 2010, 8:23 PM
Profit Margins
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Jayshmay

Feb 4, 2010, 11:19 PM
I think it's amazing that Vzn bought Alltel and yet ATT is only 6m customers behind Vzn, not bad at all. But I don't think it is good for competion that 2 companies in the U.S. have more than half the entire market, that is way, way too much domination for only 2 companies.

But in the next 2yrs there will definetly be a lot of data wars going on. With LTE being deployed by Vzn, MetroPCS, and WiMAX being deployed by Clear/Sprint, plus Tmo deploying HSPA+. There will be a whole lot of competing going on with data. So that kind of competition is definetly a good thing.
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evrodude

Feb 4, 2010, 11:55 PM
In satellite TV market, there are only 2 service providers: Dish Network and DirecTV. Satellite radio market had XM and Sirius but they merged and became SiriusXM (Are you sirius? Very Happy Razz)

AT&T should be allowed to either merge with T-Mobile or buy out their network.
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Jayshmay

Feb 4, 2010, 11:58 PM
I like the name "XM", to me it just makes sense, AM, FM, and satelite XM, X as in neXt.
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evrodude

Feb 5, 2010, 12:06 AM
Likewise. It's a logical transition: AM, FM, XM
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 12:52 AM
No they shouldn't. But your opinion is noted.
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Tomdg07

Feb 5, 2010, 2:26 AM
but isn't satellite just another form of broadcasting i guess like cable right? so id say in phone world you have gsm and cdma, both with service providers of there own. while in the broadcasting industry you have cable and satellite with service providers of there own. Shocked
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 12:51 AM
I thought it was funny that Cingular purchased ATTWS and VZW was only six million behind at that time. Two companies which were both products of mergers in their creation should never bad-mouth the other for acquiring someone. it is just business as usual.
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OldPhone

Feb 5, 2010, 2:00 PM
Exactly. If you look back Verizon currently is a combination of past companies such as Bell Atlantic, Airtouch, parts of CellularOne, parts of GTE MobileNet, Primus, parts of Dobson, and others. AT&T is Cingular, AT&T Wireless, parts of Dobson, parts of Cellular One, and others.

It's a matter of larger eating up smaller to become even larger. It just seems that everyone only remembers the most recent and forgets the past.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 2:44 PM
They only want to point out the flaw in the other guy. I've worked for both and have no loyalty to either so I point out that they are both pretty much the same.
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Jayshmay

Feb 5, 2010, 7:11 PM
Yeah that's right. I like what you said about having worked for both, and having no loyalty to either. A job is a job, a means to keep your stomach filled with food, and keep rent paid. Nothing more than that.
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mixali

Feb 5, 2010, 9:43 PM
I too have worked for multiple carriers and would concur with azeron. I don't agree about it just being a job. Many people would have more loyalty to their employer if it was reciprocal and they were doing biz above board. Wireless carriers are just as guilty as the others.
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Jayshmay

Feb 6, 2010, 12:23 AM
Isn't that what all jobs are though, just a means to keep bills paid?
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mingkee

Feb 4, 2010, 9:41 PM
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE SAYING???
DO YOU WANT USA BECOMES CANADA BEFORE WIND AND MOBILICITY JOINED?????
WHAT A FOOL!
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evrodude

Feb 5, 2010, 12:12 AM
No need to yell....
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 1:05 AM
Man, I was thinking the same thing.
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PACWEST

Feb 5, 2010, 3:42 AM
mingkee said:
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE SAYING???
DO YOU WANT USA BECOMES CANADA BEFORE WIND AND MOBILICITY JOINED?????
WHAT A FOOL!

What are you talking about? Eh?
How many Canadian carriers are under the 'Carriers' link to the left?
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Jayshmay

Feb 4, 2010, 11:10 PM
That's what I think. But heck, I'm not expert.
I think a company should become big because consumers like them. Not because they just keep gobbling up companies.

Anyway, theres my input.
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smcgarvey6

Feb 4, 2010, 11:18 PM
I hope that the FCC doesn't allow ATT to buy T-Mo because in my area the Network sucks. I left att because i was dropping calls and ATT would ruin the excellent customer and mobile phone service that i get with T-mobile
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PACWEST

Feb 5, 2010, 3:33 AM

and ATT would ruin the excellent customer and mobile phone service that i get with T-mobile

What, you think TMO will be able to keep there current level of service as a spin off?
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dmjr2000

Feb 5, 2010, 6:21 PM
What makes you think youll loose service if ATT buys T-MO? Where do you think the towers are going to go?
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Kilya

Feb 8, 2010, 2:23 PM
SMCGARVEY6, you really need to consider what your saying before you type it out. Luckily dmjr2000 said it about right. The Tmob Towers will not just disappear. Infact the huge benefit you will recieve from a merger like AT&T would be an increased signal in other areas, and if it was AT&T that merged with TMob, you would then have 120million customers that you would be able to call for free instead of like 40million as of current.
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2010, 3:35 PM
Fortunately, it is not going to happen.
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Kilya

Feb 8, 2010, 4:40 PM
Probably not, I would agree.. Its pretty far fetched
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 1:20 AM
By that logic there never would have been a Verizon or AT&T in their current incarnations. We would still have Prime Co., Ameritech, Pac Bell Wireless, GTE, Bell Atlantic Mobility, Airtouch, Southwestern Bell Wireless, Bell South Wireless and on and on. They didn't stop this merger business then. I remember working at ATTWS they bragged about being the largest independent wireless company (having the AT&T name but no affiliation with AT&T)...then they were on the auction block.

Once that acquisition was allowed under the previous regime then they could hardly block the Nextel acquisition although they SHOULD have blocked the Alltel one simply because Verizon was supposed to wait ten years to acquire the old GTE unit as a condition of...
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PACWEST

Feb 5, 2010, 3:37 AM

Do we really want to be stuck with VZW and AT&T? They are practically the same company.

Why not?
If ATT acquiring TMO brought ATT up to the level as VZW in the states, I 'd gladly go with them and pay (a little) more.
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Slammer

Feb 5, 2010, 9:49 AM
I never understand the logic of having less competition. Unless of course, you are a jocky for one of the said carriers.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 10:35 AM
Even then it makes no sense. Those "synergies" the corps brag about when merging usually include elimination of jobs.
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zomgnowaidood

Feb 6, 2010, 7:11 PM
Having less competition can actually be a beneficial for consumers. When companies like ATT and Verizon take over smaller companies, they are removing the threat of lower prices in those other companies markets. Less competition means that there is less incentive to create an innovative and useful product, as the consumer does not have a large amount of choices anyways. I would assume that as time goes on and wireless companies become more consolidated, the amount of jobs in the industry would shrink. Imagine if sprint went, t-mobile got bought, and we only had verizon and att. Well if they both have bad customer service, and high prices, guess you're just out of luck my friend.
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2010, 1:02 AM
Sarcasm is wasted on someone who already knows the truth and simply does not care. These guys are on the forums throwing up gang signs everyday wishing death on rival carriers.
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Tomdg07

Feb 5, 2010, 2:15 AM
so r u for or aginst "at&T-mobile" Laughing Laughing Laughing
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en102

Feb 5, 2010, 1:09 AM
While it is feasible.. AT&T wouldn't gain anything outside of AWS/PCS spectrum.

- T-Mobile is in the SAME markets (or less) than AT&T
- AT&T runs GSM on 850/1900 and 3G on 850/1900 and has some AWS and some good areas for 700MHz. T-Mobile is GSM 1900 / 3G on AWS. Not a good mix for 3G - no 850/1700/1900 3G handsets.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 1:23 AM
Exactly. All it would do is allow AT&T to become number one in subscribers again. At the rate they are going they will surpass VZW in a few years anyway. If only they can convince Apple to renew that exclusive on the iphone...
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Versed

Feb 5, 2010, 4:56 PM
Absorbing TMO with their AWS spectrum would be a minor problem, as far as AWS/NAM phones and devices its only a matter of time. Blackberry has something in the works already.
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PEZ

Feb 5, 2010, 7:16 AM
If you read the article (I am not saying you did not) you will see that t-mobile/DT is tryign to raise bank funds to spin t-mobile off to buy regional carriers in the US as a merger to make them larger, therefore more profitable on their own. I Also, there are talks about Comcast partnering with tmo, and I would NOT put it past Google to put a stake in this either.
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PACWEST

Feb 5, 2010, 1:48 PM

Comcast partnering with tmo, and I would NOT put it past Google to put a stake in this either.

Oh great, if Communistcast bought TMO prices would most defiantly go up.
And as we've seen with the Nexus One, Google has great customer service. Laughing
But if TMO started gobbling up smaller carriers to increase it's footprint, that might work.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 2:43 PM
If that happened their prices would likely still be cheaper than the AT&TY/VZW twins
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Cellular Phone

Feb 6, 2010, 10:22 AM
I just left AT&T for T-Mobile and I hope that terrible company stays far away from T-Mobile.

If T-Mobile is bought out, AT&T will dismantle nearly all of T-Mobile's towers and force all of us onto AT&T's overcrowded crappy network.

If in the end AT&T does buy T-Mobile, then I am porting out to another carrier. I refuse to have anything to do with AT&T.
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2010, 12:43 AM
I am sure that you have nothing to worry about. However, if AT&T could gain approval from the Feds, I am sure they would do it in a heartbeat despite the fact that some subscribers would churn just to eliminate a competitor.
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