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Why doesn't this guy know by now

Disrespect

Jan 20, 2010, 1:57 PM
that I takes money to make money.
You have to pay these board members off like at&t and verizon are doing.

Thats business and politics.
The only other way is to get a GREAT number of people on your side, because groups of people get things don't not individual people.
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Versed

Jan 20, 2010, 4:44 PM
Disrespect said:
that I takes money to make money.
You have to pay these board members off like at&t and verizon are doing.

Thats business and politics.
The only other way is to get a GREAT number of people on your side, because groups of people get things don't not individual people.


No matter, either VZW, Sprint or AT&T will assimilate them into their Borg Cubes, sooner or later.
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CS2006

Jan 20, 2010, 7:47 PM
The problem is that the industry is going to a go big or go home operation. Certain mergers and buyouts should have never been allowed.
For 2 companies to be about half of the industry is not healthy. AT&T and Verizon could bury the rest of the industry with their economies of scale.
Usually innovation comes from the smaller carriers. Neither Verizon or AT&T are a good value, they are the most expensive carriers in the U.S. Marketplace.
In many cases they stifle development because it would not give them a clear advantage. Verizon is why CDMA customers can't talk and surf simultaneously. Their refusal to adopt a superior technology (EVDV) because they had already invested in EVDO killed EVDV in this country. Since Verizon had about 2/3 ...
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VZWTestman

Jan 20, 2010, 9:59 PM
Absolutely, but customers have the best tool to get carriers to change their businesses practice, their money. If customers do not like the way a company is operating all it has to do is switch to a competitor. If enough customers switch then the company would have to rethink their business strategy.
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dave73

Jan 21, 2010, 2:42 PM
VZWTestman said:
Absolutely, but customers have the best tool to get carriers to change their businesses practice, their money. If customers do not like the way a company is operating all it has to do is switch to a competitor. If enough customers switch then the company would have to rethink their business strategy.



You also have to look at what's available in each market. My market has Verizon, AT&T, Sprint/Nextel, USCC, T-Mobile, & Cricket. Cricket was the only new addition to my area in 2008. Prior to that, Cingular acquiring AT&T Wireless swallowed up a competitor (eventually Cingular took the AT&T name), and before that, USCC buys out the rest of Primeco that Verizon wasn't allowed to acquire in...
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flip mode

Jan 21, 2010, 12:13 AM
for shizzle
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Azeron

Jan 21, 2010, 3:04 AM
Why didn't Sprint stay the EV-DV path? Verizon went with EV-DO rather than wait two years for EV-DV to come to market. I don't blame them. Neither does Sprint, apparently as that is one of the reasons Sprint went with Wi-Max THIS time around to get 4G to market today and have the advantage. If Verizon cared enough about having Voice and data simultaneously there is an upgrade to EV-DO that would allow it, but it costs MONEY that Verizon does not care to spend preferring to invest its resources in LTE instead.

I agree that the FCC should never have allowed the ATTWS, Nextel and Alltel buyouts, but the administration at the time was not big on regulations and with every approval it made it harder to deny the next one. Ah well...we all...
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CS2006

Jan 21, 2010, 6:30 PM
EVDV was not 2 years out at the time, it had been successfully tested.
The problem is when a carrier gets so big by buying other carriers then they create a "have and have not" marketplace. The big boys get to dictate the market. They use their economies of scale to advertise, which both carriers do effectively so that their name is the only one prospective customers hear. It's kind of like the BCS, many contenders but consideration only for the fortunate few. It would be one thing if these companies got that big by sales growth instead of getting just big enough to buy someone else.
While most of the mergers and aquisitions happened during the Bush Years, the biggest one, the Verizon merger ( Bell Atlantic, GTE, Airtouch and Primeco) ha...
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CamelTowing

Jan 21, 2010, 10:32 PM
Qualcomm killed EV-DV and decided to support LTE. WiMax was just around the corner compared to the long wait of LTE. That's why Sprint went that route.
What's wrong with buyouts? Do you really miss these companies? If someone misses Nextel, they should just get Boost. It's the same thing.
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Azeron

Jan 22, 2010, 11:34 AM
I really miss Alltel. No doubt. I miss having more competition in the marketplace.
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CS2006

Jan 22, 2010, 11:36 AM
Qualcomm killed EVDV because it had no takers.
How is it good for any industry for there to be fewer players?
The system was designed to have 5-7 competitors in each market, not 4 occupying all 7 frequency blocks. That would have forced competition and innovation. As it is the big four (and I sell three of them) are not very innovative. They don't have to be becausethere are not the 5th, 6th and 7th competitor vying for attention and market share. There are really only 3 choices in the marketplace Sprint, T-mobile and Verizon/AT&T. Nothing differentiates AT&T from Verizon.
So AT&T uses Apple's credibility and Verizon spends bilions on TV ads. But they are really the same as far as rates are concerned.
More players would force more inno...
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CamelTowing

Jan 22, 2010, 11:41 AM
CS2006 said:
Qualcomm killed EVDV because it had no takers.
How is it good for any industry for there to be fewer players?
The system was designed to have 5-7 competitors in each market, not 4 occupying all 7 frequency blocks. That would have forced competition and innovation. As it is the big four (and I sell three of them) are not very innovative. They don't have to be becausethere are not the 5th, 6th and 7th competitor vying for attention and market share. There are really only 3 choices in the marketplace Sprint, T-mobile and Verizon/AT&T. Nothing differentiates AT&T from Verizon.
So AT&T uses Apple's credibility and Verizon spends bilions on TV ads. But they are really the same as far as rates are concerned.
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Azeron

Jan 22, 2010, 11:47 AM
It doesn't seem like there is less competition...there IS less competition. I'm not sure what the heck is going on when a company like ATTWS (which was the number three carrier at the time) is allowed to be gobbled up by the number two carrier at the time, Cingular. That never should have happened. Once they lt that slide, they couldn't very well deny Sprint buying Nextel or Verizon Alltel. Point is: The first domino should never have been allowed to fall.
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CS2006

Jan 22, 2010, 12:24 PM
Agreed, but let's go before that, Should the number 2 company,Bell Atlantic, the number 3 company, Airtouch, the number 6 company, GTE Mobilenet and Primeco have been allowed to merge to create Verizon?
That was the first domino to fall.
For AT&T and Verizon to drop their unlimited plan by $30.00 is a bit deceptive when voice minutes of use are way down and messaging is on the rise. They did not reduce the price of messaging at all.
We compete with Cricket in my market and not everyone is as impressed with unlimited minutes when they are aware that they do not use them. We successfully move people from unnlimited to limited plans all of the time because people are looking for a better experience than what Cricket can give them whether ...
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Azeron

Jan 24, 2010, 11:13 PM
The merger which created Verizon Wireless in 2000 was not on that same scale honestly. If we are going there then likewise the merger which created Cingular Wireless (also in 2000) from Ameritech, BellSouth Mobility, Southwestern Bell Wireless, Pacific Bell Wireless and a host of other companies would also be disallowed. It becomes ridiculous at some point.
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Azeron

Jan 22, 2010, 11:42 AM
Sprint abandoned EV-DV. When Verizon initially set upon the EV-DO path launching in D.C. and San Diego, Sprint planned to launch EV-DV which it touted was superior to EV-DO, BUT EV-DV WAS NOT READY! You say it was not two years out? Fine. Whatever the case, Sprint was not prepared to allow Verizon to gain the competitive edge so they scrapped their EV-DV plans and did a very good job of playing catch up with EV-DO actually. One can't force carriers to choose certain standards. The marketplace does that.
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