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Nokia may as well give up and die....

bluecoyote

Jan 16, 2010, 9:12 PM
What is Nokia other than a patent troll and maker of cheap disposable handsets? When is the last time anyone gave a crap about a Nokia handset that wasn't prepaid? The N95? Maybe two people cared about that glitchy brick.

Name ONE successful initiative of Nokia's. Ovi? NGage? "Comes With Music?" They've all been miserable failures and beyond stupid in their conceptualization. Let's not even discuss Nokia's genius GPS implementation....

Name ONE successful platform of Nokia's. S60? Maybe 4 years ago. S80? Long dead. Maemo? Oh yeah, Maemo, it's been 3 years and it's still garbage. Even Android makes Maemo look like trash.


I have good memories of my earlier Nokia handsets, but this company has long lost its way.
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hepresearch

Jan 16, 2010, 11:24 PM
bluecoyote said:
What is Nokia other than a patent troll and maker of cheap disposable handsets? When is the last time anyone gave a crap about a Nokia handset that wasn't prepaid? The N95? Maybe two people cared about that glitchy brick.


Your negativity really, really needs some mellowing work, my friend...

bluecoyote said:
Name ONE successful initiative of Nokia's. Ovi? NGage? "Comes With Music?" They've all been miserable failures and beyond stupid in their conceptualization. Let's not even discuss Nokia's genius GPS implementation....


Nokia's N-series has been a huge hit. The E-series has also had some success, though not like the N-series. Nokia's Xpress Music...
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bluecoyote

Jan 17, 2010, 1:39 AM
Nokia's "Xpressmusic" handsets have been successes the same way Sony Walkman phones have. That's like saying Verizon Wireless's LG Chocolate's sales meant its VCast Music service was successful.


The rest... really? How would you categorize the N800? The 5800?
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hepresearch

Jan 17, 2010, 9:58 AM
bluecoyote said:
Nokia's "Xpressmusic" handsets have been successes the same way Sony Walkman phones have.


They all sold well, so what's your point? What yardstick are you using to measure success? Are you using some obscure detail or personal preference as your measure of success? You're obviously saying that sales is not part of your yardstick. Plus, I met plenty of people who preferred Xpress Music phones over Sony Ericsson Walkman phones.

bluecoyote said:
That's like saying Verizon Wireless's LG Chocolate's sales meant its VCast Music service was successful.


I'm guessing you haven't seen too many "successful" ventures or initiatives in your time...

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Versed

Jan 17, 2010, 6:14 PM
The 5800 sold well because it did a lot and was cheap, free for most euro carriers. Saying all that, I had one for one day, I thought it was crap. You can disagree, and I do think it does have a market, I prefer my E71 to it.
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hepresearch

Jan 17, 2010, 6:50 PM
I agree with you, in that I would prefer an E71 or an N95 over the 5800 any day. I do remember being a T-Mobile rep, and hoping that the 5800 would join T-Mobile USA's Xpress Music line-up so I could try one out, but the lack of 1700 MHz 3G support kind of precluded that. Maybe it's just as well. Every company makes a few bad apples...
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Versed

Jan 17, 2010, 7:52 PM
Oddly, the 5800 is very much the type of phone AT&T sells, and it probably will sell decent.
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edzero

Jan 17, 2010, 10:31 AM
Get your head out of your a**. Nokia is still the worlds number 1 phone manufacturer. Even if they do get kicked out of the US (which I dont think will happen) it still wont affect anything. The reason why you dont see any high end phones here is because americans are too spoiled and dont like to pay for phones. Europeans have no problem paying for phones, so Nokia can give them the higher end devices.
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evrodude

Jan 17, 2010, 12:55 PM
That's very true and I absolutely agree with you. And I believe that if Americans paid regular prices for everything, America would be on it's way out of this recession.
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Versed

Jan 17, 2010, 6:16 PM
Go to the major european carriers websites, they sell all or most of those phones discounted, with contract tariff plans.
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bluecoyote

Jan 18, 2010, 11:04 AM
I'm sorry, what Europeans pay full price for phones? Because Vodafone, Telefonica Movistar, Telia, T-Mobile, Orange, WIND, and even Yoigo all subsidize their handsets.
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hepresearch

Jan 18, 2010, 12:21 PM
European phone subsidies are typically smaller than in the US, although they have been gaining. It used to be that Finland, Belgium, and Italy did not allow phone subsidies, but those laws have been challenged in Belgium, and edited in Finland and Italy.

I must agree qualitiatively with bluecoyote on this one.

Here is a helpful, condensed resource I found on Wikipedia regarding cell phone subsidies and the locking/unlocking of subsidized phones. The article has been nominated for a neutrality check, but most of the information is good;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_lock »

Whether we like it or not, subsidies are the wave of the future for cell phone purchasing. Personally, I'd rather buy at full price an unlocked, unbranded p...
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CS2006

Jan 18, 2010, 4:15 PM
Thanks for the information, it clears up some of the misinformation often given in these circumstances. Although I usually stay away from Wikipedia for information that I am going to give to a prospective customer, this article seems to be very well footnoted with sources.
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hepresearch

Jan 18, 2010, 4:54 PM
I tend to go to Wikipedia only if I can't find the information anywhere else that is convenient, and I always check as many of the resources as possible for legitimacy before sharing it.
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