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Sprint plans still blows verizon out of the water...

scottmbolt

Jan 15, 2010, 10:16 AM
Now come on Sprint, get some better phones goddamnit!
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JeffdaBeat

Jan 15, 2010, 10:37 AM
It doesn't matter whether Sprint is better than Verizon...it's that people have pride in Verizon and not with Sprint. That pride leads them to pay more money for the same service.
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evrodude

Jan 15, 2010, 10:45 AM
It's not pride. It's brand loyalty and the fact that Verizon has a larger netwrok than Sprint.
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jeryzkid22

Jan 15, 2010, 10:54 AM
Aren't both companies CDMA networks that have roaming agreements with each other?
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Overmann

Jan 15, 2010, 10:55 AM
Roaming agreements means if you use more than 800 minutes of it in a month Sprint has the right to give you the axe because it costs more to pay for those roaming minutes than it does to lose the customer.
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jeryzkid22

Jan 15, 2010, 10:59 AM
I didn't realize sprint was such an inferior company that it means you would automatically roam over 800 minutes a month and get dropped by them. 😉
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Overmann

Jan 15, 2010, 11:07 AM
Check your coverage maps before buying. It can happen.
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jeryzkid22

Jan 15, 2010, 11:13 AM
Where are the coverage maps for Alaska and Puerto Rico?
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Kayslay34

Jan 15, 2010, 1:15 PM
Don't listen to this guy, you have to roam 800 mins a month for 3 consecutive months, which rarely happens... i mean like .5% rare. And they will usually offer you an airave first before just canceling you; if you have airave coverage with in 15 miles.
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Azeron

Jan 15, 2010, 2:07 PM
Where were you? I expected you to respond much sooner.
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Kayslay34

Jan 15, 2010, 7:58 PM
I have been taking the sit back approach lately but i cant do it lol!
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prizbilla_babykilla

Jan 18, 2010, 8:57 PM
That may be policy, but it isn't in the terms and conditions in that way.

this is straight outa sprints terms and conditions.

"Roaming- The term "roaming" typically refers to coverage on another carrierâ┚¬â”žÂ¢s network that we may make available to you based on our agreements with other carriers. These agreements may change from time to time and roaming coverage is subject to change. Your ability to receive roaming coverage depends on the radio transmissions your Device can pick up and the availability of roaming coverage. We make no guaranty that roaming coverage will be available. Roaming coverage may exist both within and outside our network coverage areas. Your Device will generally indicate when you're roaming. Depending ...
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Azeron

Jan 19, 2010, 12:36 AM
I can't say that I blame Sprint. This customer was probably costing them more in roaming than he was bringing in in monthly revenue. Verizon has a HUGE native network so they can more easily accommodate Nationwide travelers. The Alltel merger going through was just SICK! They weren't bragging about 3G coverage before.
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Kayslay34

Jan 21, 2010, 5:19 PM
What you posted had nothing to do with sprint policy about terminating a contract for "excessive roaming".....
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Kayslay34

Jan 21, 2010, 5:54 PM
And this is straight out of KMS so get your facts right.

Terms and Condition Reminder Say: [customer name], A recent review of your account, phone number , indicated an unusually large amount of voice roaming use over a three month period. We want to make sure you are aware of the terms & conditions of your Sprint Subscriber agreement:
Off-Network Roaming on Sprint Phones: Sprint may terminate service if (1) mort than 800 minutes, (2) a majority of minutes, or (3) a majority of kilobytes in a given month are used while roaming
Continue to next call flow step, Roaming Behavior.

And no i don't work for sprint but i know people who do.
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Dave Lister

Jan 15, 2010, 11:12 AM
It's not an all-inclusive roaming agreement. It only covers some, not all, areas where one carrier has coverage and the other doesn't.
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Azeron

Jan 15, 2010, 2:17 PM
Exactly. Sprint no longer sells phones that can force roam so the roaming is only going to kick in where there is no Sprint service.
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mycool

Jan 15, 2010, 11:19 AM
This is a very common misconception. It's the same as saying since T-Mo and AT&T use GSM that you'll get all of AT&Ts coverage if you're with T-Mo since they also have roaming agreements. No.

Sprint will not include the SIDs for Verizon where they deem they have overlapping coverage. And, without those SIDs in your phone you cannot connect to the network in that area.

I'm not saying there aren't ways around it, but don't expect things to last that way. I remember when Verizon changed their coverage maps and removed the areas where customers would get billed for roaming. The roaming agreements they had with certain companies were being dissolved and the latest *228 would update the phone to remove those SIDs. If someone used a computer ...
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macuser09

Jan 15, 2010, 3:29 PM
mycool said:
This is a very common misconception. It's the same as saying since T-Mo and AT&T use GSM that you'll get all of AT&Ts coverage if you're with T-Mo since they also have roaming agreements. No.

Sprint will not include the SIDs for Verizon where they deem they have overlapping coverage. And, without those SIDs in your phone you cannot connect to the network in that area.


Sprint does not neg SIDs. They allow you to roam on any carrier that offers coverage (using CDMA of course). Sometimes you will be greeted with a message saying you have to pay for the call if you end up on Cricket or Metro. 911 calls still go through when on one of those systems. They are not like Verizon where they neg...
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mycool

Jan 16, 2010, 9:22 AM
macuser09 said:
The only way Sprint restricts where you can and can not roam is by not including the roam only mode on new phones.


Did you read the last part of my post?

So, basically Sprint would have to be dumb enough to load in all of Verizon's SIDs in overlapping areas, mark them as priority and allow the phones to force roaming on (all 3, not just 1).

I stated that they would need the phones to allow force roaming. And you just said the new phones don't include roam only mode. At that point having an SID doesn't matter. It'll hang onto the Sprint signal (no matter how terrible it is) vs a better signal through ANY other carrier.
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allboutvzw

Jan 15, 2010, 11:18 AM
Sprint and Verizon are not even in the same boat, the reason Sprints plans are so much cheaper is because they need them to be. Have you seen their Churn rate, it's sucks on a whole different level. I wanna say they are they worse out of all the carries as far as keeping customers.

So they need their plans to be as cheap as possible to hopefully keep people with them.
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Azeron

Jan 15, 2010, 2:20 PM
They are getting a much needed boost (pun intended) from Verizon.
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Menno

Jan 15, 2010, 11:54 AM
Sprint has cheaper prices, they have some truly awesome phones, and their coverage (at least for voice) is pretty large (and 3g is good where available) and yet they are still losing customers.. why?

I dont agree with all these changes with VZW, but people popping up and saying "but it's still more expensive than X don't get it. If price was all that mattered, Sprint would be the largest carrier in the country (tmobile lacks raw coverage to get this) There are other things to compete on instead of price. Do I want costs to do down? Heck yes! But expecting a company that is ADDING customers to price match a company that is losing them is asking a bit much
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bparrott03

Jan 15, 2010, 12:22 PM
T-mobile is even cheaper.. 49.99 for unlim talk, 59.99 for talk and text unlim.. all WITHOUT a contract and the ability to split the phone into 20 installments!
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Menno

Jan 15, 2010, 12:32 PM
and again.. asking a company that is consistantly adding millions of customers to copy the pricing of a company that is less than half their size and still losing customers some quarters is a bit much.

I really like Tmobile's pricing strategy, and I hope it catches on. But Cell companies are all about new activations and adding revenue. A company like verizon won't take something from a smaller carrier unless it proves to be very profitable
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Slammer

Jan 15, 2010, 1:13 PM
VZW has successfully convinced consumers through advertizing, that they are better. This is the power behind money in which Sprint does not currently possess. VZW is a good carrier. My two sis inlaws and one of their husbands work for them full time. But they have also expressed the imperfection of their employer.

You have nailed a detail of Sprint's overall network status. It is much better than people give them credit for. They were number one once. However, there is that old expression: You never have a second chance to make a first impression. Sprint shot themselves in the foot causing a bad taste in people's mouths(including myself). But as I wrote in another post, There is no better time to try a company than when they are trying ...
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Menno

Jan 15, 2010, 2:25 PM
oh, I think a lot of people should look at sprint now.

I was mainly replying to the people who said that verizon should drop their prices to match sprints just because they were cheaper. Verizon's VERY good at increasing the perceived value of their service. Price isn't what they are marketing on, and it's not the sole deciding factor for most people (otherwise we would all have Tracfone LOLOL)

Sprint sucks near me (it's practically all voice only roaming) and since all my family is verizon, it's still cheaper for me to stick with them than switch to another carrier. I think sprint is a decent company now... I think they should advertise more on the quality of their service instead of how cheap it is, but it's their marketing dol...
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Azeron

Jan 15, 2010, 3:03 PM
Yeah, those 8000 Mobile to Mobile minutes I'm using every month might be a problem for me.
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Slammer

Jan 15, 2010, 3:24 PM
I hear you. Unfortunately Sprint is not available everywhere Verizon is. But yes. I am a big proponent of Sprint. Where I llive( which is a metro area; Rochester NY), Verizon is the ruler of users, even though coverage is equal. I travel an average of 1100 miles a week, and very, VERY rarely ever not have Sprint service. In fact, there have been places I have service and a VZW person hasn't. But we know how that works. I do have many friends out west that would kill for Sprint but not available. That is why Subs such as yourself love the comfort of having "True" coverage. Unforturnately, that comes with a price tag. But as I said, VZW is a good carrier, But sheeple marketing go much further than what most people actually think. Which brings...
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