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You can forget about the iphone on Verizon now.

acculabs

Jan 5, 2010, 3:34 PM
Apple and ATT will be sucking "hind-tit". Right where they belong.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 4:00 PM
Pretty sure Verizon would happily drop every high-end device in their lineup for an iPhone judging by how quickly the Droid was forgotten.
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acculabs

Jan 5, 2010, 4:07 PM
You are missing the point that the android phones can evolve, unlike the iphone in which you can not even change the battery or put in a memory card.

This tablet of Apples better be good as the bar keeps moving higher by the day.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 4:31 PM
The iPhone did evolve...

an iPhone from 2007 that was sold simply as a phone + iPod + Internet tablet can still run most of the apps in the app store. In fact, a 2.5 year old iPhone is more up to date than 60% of the Android handsets for sale. It got updated with Podcasts, Street View, and triangulation as well.

That's the very benefit of the iPhone- it isn't obsolete the minute after you purchase it.

Also, who cares about a removable battery or memory card reader? Honestly, who cares?
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Cellinovation

Jan 5, 2010, 5:47 PM
Anyone that wants to sync music and files with something other than iTunes, or easily print picture from the local photo kiosk.

Anyone that has ever had a battery fail part way through their contract and wanted a replacement for it.

Anyone that uses the life of more than one battery in a day.

Anyone who has ever needed to pull the battery out of their phone to resolve a rather insignificant software error.

Furthermore New applications for the iPhone is not an evolution. A new model of the phone is not an evolution. Android was created in a way that allows the phone to move to a new operating system and evolve in nature much the way a PC does with newer better (debatably) verisions of windows. The iPhone barely lets you chan...
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SprintCC

Jan 5, 2010, 5:53 PM
The memory card is a real complaint. It is the primary complaint I have with my iPhone.

The rest of this is hyperbole. The OS is upgraded pretty easily on the phone- you simply connect to iTunes and it is done. That isn't something Droid does that nobody else can do. RIM and Apple have both been doing that for a while.

The simple fact is that Android is on par with the iPhone. It is better in some ways and worse in others. The real issue is that Android isn't catching the public's attention. No google phone has come anywhere close to matching the hype around the iPhone. Until that happens, HTC can make a million phones that will totally fall apart in 18 months (seems like that is their life limit- at least the phones with Sprint) and...
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Cellinovation

Jan 5, 2010, 6:23 PM
obviously you have never owned a Blackberry, Windows Device, Razr, or LG phones. all of them at one point or another you will wish the battery was removable. Bad programming is jsut a fact of life. Even your mighty iPhone has suffered from in some capacity.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 6:39 PM
But how much is the OS held back because it NEEDS to be compatible with all existing software? When the iphone 4g or whatever they call the new one comes out.. how innovative will it be? If it IS innovative, how many of those innovations will work on the original iphone?


Yes, 2.1 might not work on the g1, but does that mean google shouldn't release it?

the iphone has hype because it's made by apple. if a phone with the SAME exact capabilities/UI was released by another company (lets say Samsung/LG) the phone wouldn't be as big as it is now.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 7:18 PM
Do you think people just go out and blindly buy Apple products, or do you think people, knowing that Apple has a good reputation for focusing on all aspects of the user experience, buy Apple products because they work a lot better and someone actually gave a crap that the interface is usable.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 7:43 PM
It's a bit of both. Apple has a reputation for quality, but people also buy anything simply because they're scarily good at marketing and brand recognition.

Say Blackberry released the iphone first.. I can guarentee you that it wouldn't be as popular as the apple iphone, simply because they needed to make sure OS 3.0 works on all versions. Yes, it's nice, but it is also a hinderance.

That being said.. I highly doubt you'll see the fragmentation now that Nexus is playing. "With Google" devices will most likely get direct downloads from google, no matter what carrier. The only ones that might have a delay are ones with MotoBLUR, Sensui and the like, and expect that to change.

Open source doesn't have the same development path as...
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bp3dots1

Jan 5, 2010, 8:14 PM
Yes. Like any strong brand name, people will go buy it on name alone.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 7:24 PM
Beyond the first one (and iTunes does a good job syncing, especially compared to ActiveSync or Hotsync from back in the day) , none of these are really relevant. It's like slamming the iPhone because it doesn't support analog roaming mode. Nobody really cares.

Even photo kiosk printing can be done through apps on the iPhone, and it's not something done too commonly.

If the iPhone's battery fails you take it in and they swap it out. If it's out of warranty you simply pay for the cost of a new battery, not a new iPhone. In exchange for that, the iPhone has a small form factor, good battery life, and doesn't suffer from battery doors falling off.

The iPhone also doesn't suffer from serious software errors to the tune that you need to...
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 6:26 PM
the drawback it is seriously hinders innovation.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 7:27 PM
How does it hurt innovation? Have you seen the development for the iPhone? It's a helluvalot more impressive than anything done with Android and for a good reason, because developers are able to focus on ONE platform, not FOUR.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 7:37 PM
you are confusing app development with innovation.

Why does the iphone 3gs become a monster when you jailbreak it, at least moreso than the stock by such an amount? That phone is capable of so much more than Apple is allowing, why? because if they made it as powerful as it could be, they would have separate software releases as well.
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 7:35 PM
Batteries die, it's nice to have a spare that I chan CHANGE out!!! It's s stupid, stupid business model that Apple has!!!
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 9:29 PM
I've had my iPhone 3G for almost 18 months and its battery is still fine, and I use it heavily. I'm willing to guess it will be fine for the life of the contract.
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 10:26 PM
Well,...not bad.

Especially consdiering how big of a screen the Iphones battery has to power.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 4:21 PM
the Droid isn't forgotten.

Dude, turn on a tv, read a paper, or go to ANY other news site that isn't sponsored by apple.

And why in the world would verizon want a phone that they make next to no profit on (comparatively) when they are adding customers and releasing devices that even apple blogs like (check out their ratings on android)
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 4:33 PM
Verizon isn't making a lot of money on the Droid, quite the opposite (that's why they hiked their ETF's so they could cover the $400.00 subsidy.) They're trying to keep people from ditching VZW service for AT&T. And they're spending something like 3 times as much to market the Droid than Apple is the 3GS (take a guess why.)
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VZW_insider

Jan 5, 2010, 5:14 PM
Dude,

Your fanboy-ism over the Iphone really needs to take a back seat for awhile. The Iphone was a tremendous success in 2007, 2008, and most of 2009. It's OLD news now. Google (notice I say Google and NOT VERIZON) is the new player in town. The specs on the Nexus One completely destroy that of the Iphone. The Iphone is not obsolete by any means and will continue to get it's upgraded software, but it's stale, it needs a refresh. Apple will no doubt refresh the Iphone to something nice, but it's once unequivocal nature is coming to an end. People like choices and once again, google is providing them with that.

And if you browse the net at all and read tech forums, not everyone has been drinking the Iphone KoolAid. People are getting...
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 9:26 PM
Maybe you'd be of some USE to this forum if you did something to refute claims other than just call someone you disagree with a Fanboy.

The Specs on the Nexus One are better than the iPhone's.... and guess what, it still can't pull up a web page as fast (see another post in this thread.) . Android has had a lot more publicity than actual development for the platform. Despite all of the fuss about Google's mobile push, they haven't accomplished anything. Their platform has no more direction than it did in 2008. The iPhone meanwhile, has morphed from a new standard of UI to becoming THE standard of mobile computin. Android has shown us NOTHING other than POTENTIAL.

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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 5:14 PM
1) The money is in the plan, not the phone. Motorola is not taking anywhere near as large of a portion of the revenue as Apple did, of that you can be certain.

2)Residuals: What chunk is APPLE taking? And how much money did ATT have to pay out to keep their contract.

Apple MAKES phones, ATT markets them. Combined, I'm positive they spend more than Verizon is. (Googles advertisement was a text blip on their homepage)

Do you understand how phone contracts work? (ATT is taking a huge subsidy hit on the iphone as well, just fyi)
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CellStudent

Jan 5, 2010, 5:02 PM
VZW is a corporation. They want to make money. If they can sell a ba-gillion Nexus' and a ba-gillion iPhones, they'll do it.

VZW is not a one-horse show like that other gig in town...
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