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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 2:38 PM
So now there are FOUR builds of Android circulating out there? And the "ultimate Android handset," the Droid, less than 2 months on the market, isn't even supporting the latest frameworks?

Who in their right mind would buy an unlocked handset at full price that belongs to this ecosystem? It'll be pushed aside in a month...
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Tmogeek

Jan 5, 2010, 2:48 PM
You obviously have no idea what your talking about and have no business here...
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 2:55 PM
Tmo... bluecoyote also thinks that nokia isn't a signifigant global presence when it comes to smartphones...

Basically, if it isn't Apple (and they seem to like the Pre) they think it doesn't matter.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 4:15 PM
Really? You consider Nokia a significant presence? Have you seen their market share slide- it's faster than the legacy Palm OS's. Nokia's so bad every single platform initiative (that would be Ovi and NGage) has failed. Miserably. That leaves them with Maemo, which has less marketshare than the iPhone after its first weekend.

And right, I think only Apple and Palm actually have a decent product and platform roadmap. RIM used to but screwed it up. Android's going a thousand different directions ala WinMo in 2006, but the platform as a whole is nowhere because there's no unified vision or roadmap.
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Accidental

Jan 5, 2010, 5:00 PM
LOL 🤣 🤣

All because Google updates their OS more frequently than Apple does not mean they have no unified vision or roadmap. Wake up!

Keep in mind most 1.5 and up handsets will be/are able to take 2.0 and 2.1. 2.1 is a step up and requires a more robust 3D chip. Building to allow backwards compatibility impedes forward progress.

Note that new Microsoft and Apple OS'es require better hardware to allow for higher resolutions, more threads, features, etc.. why should phones be any different?
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 6:19 PM
Yeah, I think the fact that Google updates Android so frequently is an attractive feature! I think 2.1 is a good starting point, a little over a year ago whe Android first came out it still wasn't ready for primetime, a G1 couldn't even save pictures from an MMS, that's how far it had to go at the time, but I think that as of 2.1 with the addition of 3D accelerated graphics, and that really, really cool "live wallpaper" that Android is much closer to being ready for primetime now.

Though that virtual keyboard could use some more space between the keys.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 6:48 PM
is that they're happening on other devices.
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Tmo Slave

Jan 6, 2010, 2:00 PM
Just because Nokia isn't very popular over here in the states doesn't mean they any less of a global presence. They are by far more popular world wide than apple or palm. How can you say palm is better than Nokia? Nokia was rummored to be buying Palm. Both Palm and Apple are one trick ponies.
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Azeron

Jan 5, 2010, 3:20 PM
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 2:53 PM
The droid can support 2.1. It's been hacked on there quite a bit. Considering that Google is suggesting a Droid to people who want the Nexus on verizon but don't want to wait.. I really can't see Google not pushing through 2.1 to the Droid (considering it is Bone Stock android so Verizon cannot block it)

most 1.5 and 1.6 devices will be upgradeable to at least 2.0.1 or something similar. The only devices stuck on 1.5 are ones that are not "with google" it seems. The biggest 1.5 build out there (the HTC Hero/Eris) has leaked 2.0 roms out there, and HTC all but confirmed (look at past news released here) that they were skipping 1.6 and going straight to 2.0. The g1 can handle 2.0, so the Eris can as well.


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TrumpetMan

Jan 5, 2010, 3:19 PM
I love the way you guys jab a troll with a healthy bit of tech savy knowledge. 😛

You guys are OK in my book.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 4:24 PM
Nothing Menno said contradicted anything I said. Duhhh. 🙄

Instead he just pointed out the very problem- there's not even a single class of Android devices. Key word "WILL" support 2.0. At what date? When 3.0 comes out? If I buy a G1 i'm running an O.S. that's 4 versions old. Ok, I can hack it to run the new OS, but then what happens if I run into an issue? Is T-Mo going to tell me to bugger off if all of a sudden my phone locks up when I place calls? (That happened with my HTC 6601 back in the day.)


I think it's great that Android is improving at such a rapid pace, but the phones that use it aren't.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 5:38 PM
HTC said they were pushing to bring ALL their phones up to date. Leaked 2.0/2.1 roms for SenseUI already exist, and 2.0 on the G1 most likely just needs Tmobile's ok.

you said that Nokia's market share tell 47%, when it fact it fell TO 47% which is 5 times larger than APPLE is, and over twice as large as as the next competitor (Blackberry, a company you also said is shrinking and they DOUBLED their market share)

You seemed to have missed that part. Yes, nokia is losing market share but that's because they were the only real game in town for quite a few places.

I know it doesn't say apple on it so you need to hate it, but seriously.. at least attempt to make sense.
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 6:43 PM
Hmm, he hasn't responded. Likely cause you have a point.

It's a damn shame that AT&T continues, and continues to be absent from Android. With the exception of no physical keyboard, I find the Nexus One very, very attractive, 3D graphics, and I think that live wallpaper feature is so, so !!COOL!! It just adds life to the device. Hopefully the live wallpaper doesn't have a draining effect on the battery though!

And I have confirmed that the Nexus One does indeed have a 3.5 jack!!!


http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_te ... »
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 6:54 PM
Ok, so you can say they're losing market share solely because they were so big..

tell me then why Ovi and NGage are failing. Tell me why their application market isn't even on the map. Tell me why no major carrier in the U.S. even BOTHERS with their smartphone lineup anymore. Nokia doesn't have a platform by modern smartphone standards- they simply don't. They have a lot of handsets with their name on them but they're cheap low-end handsets. Their high-end handsets don't sell here, and their sales are dipping heavily in Europe.

Blackberry isn't shrinking, but their profit margins are alarmingly fast. The only thing keeping Blackberry in the market is that they're occupying the same part of the market that the Motorola RAZR did right b...
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 7:12 PM
What is your fixation with the US market? The way we do cellphones over here is very different from the rest of the world. That is the largest reason nokia didn't pick up, and why samsung is just NOW starting to become known for more than cheap flip phones here.

and did you compare a flip phone to a smartphone? lol
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 9:50 PM
We're the only market that matters.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 10:09 PM
hardly.

If only one market matters, that market is China
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bluecoyote

Jan 6, 2010, 1:51 AM
The Chinese market is worthless. It's a market of nothing more than money, and it's pretend money at that.
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twm

Jan 6, 2010, 5:57 AM
the economist has spoken
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Azeron

Jan 6, 2010, 9:33 AM
All money is pretend money. There is no gold or silver backing up printed money. It only has value as long as we agree that it does.
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ibnturab

Jan 5, 2010, 11:16 PM
I do agree with some of the critisms of Android. Having 4 versions in the 'wild' does add confusion. I'm not really sure why we need 4 versions. I currently mytouch 3g and have had to root/flash it with several different roms just to find/get some 'basic' functionality out of it. Coming from a long line of excellent nokia n-series phones [n82,n85,n86], I felt that I had to go back to 2002 for certain basic features with stock Android. I mean not being able to send a picture via bluetooth in 2010 --- come on -- we were all able to do that back in 2002 with SE t68i. Google should have laid out restrictions/controls on minimum hardware specs [specifically ram/processor/lcd resolution/size] so that all android devices could be easily updated In...
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jffranco5777

Jan 5, 2010, 3:36 PM
I do have an honest question, so please dont attack. Though not an Android owner I am impressed with its potential, but why would there be so many versions of Android out there? I can understand that as hardware evolves you would need to enhance the OS to take advantage. But many of the phones that run on Android, are sharing with little exception the same processor, maybe tweaked in the memory or camera department. Aside from that not much more, so wouldn't it be less confusing and more focused to keep as many phones as possible on the same version to draw in those customers that might be afraid their not getting the latest and greatest. Oh and one more thing, though I could probably Google this, is there a way to manually update your phone...
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Cellinovation

Jan 5, 2010, 3:39 PM
Android is an open source code project. us Geeks always have to tweak things and Google really intended us geeks to add new features to it. You will notice that with each upgrade of the OS there are very slight additions of feature. Most phones are able to accept the upgraded Android operating system as it comes out, so there isn't a concern about the latest and greatest. Google needs the Geek community to get excited about this device, and platform to succeed. (wich it has) The Geek communicaty has always created the market for Google products,and this will be no exception.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 4:23 PM
Correct. the only thing that will keep the newest OS from being put on older devices is hardware limitations.. which considering the nexus one is the first commercially available snapdragon in the US (to my knowledge) won't really be an issue.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 4:26 PM
So the new 3D features don't even work on the Droid? It's
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 5:11 PM
Most of them will. Just google 2.1 and droid. there are countless videos.
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Cellinovation

Jan 5, 2010, 5:53 PM
The DROID should be able to run everyone of them eventually. The processor is only a 533, but the chipset has integrated 2D/3D graphics acceleration to make up for what the processor lacks in itself. Not to mention the built in L1 cache in the processor will help smooth over some of the jerky spots. (contains a 32KiB cashe for both data and instrucion.)

Chipset on the DROID:

OMAP3430 by Texas Instrument.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 4:23 PM
The Geek community likes Linux too, but that doesn't make it a commercially viable or relevant platform. I mean tinkering with a phone is fun and all, but at the end of the day I can't deal with the "oops this didn't work this thing is bricked until I get home" mentality- a LOT of people can't.

Other than being a toy to geeks, I don't see any real reason to buy an Android handset. It may have "tons of potential," but that always seems more like "The NEXT device will be AMAZING" crap we've seen on older smartphone platforms.
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Azeron

Jan 5, 2010, 4:27 PM
You've made your point. Of course, there are quite a few geeks here so I suppose they see plenty of reasons to buy Android. to each his own, I suppose.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 6:01 PM
besides imagine the impact Linux would make if a big company like Dell started advertising Linux models?

That is the big difference. Google wants geek interest, but they have big business interested as well.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 6:59 PM
(To its credit, Linux is used as the basis of Palm's WebOS and Android, for the sake of example I'm comparing Android to systems similar to Ubuntu that require tinkering.)

I don't know that Google has anyone interested outside of carriers trying to stop an exodus and handset makers who were about to face bankruptcy from a lack of a platform. There's been no significant monetization with the Android marketplace, and large developers have been pulling out solely due to this fragmentation.

This is the same problem Windows Mobile had- Android's only better because it's a decent O.S. in and of itself, but as a platform it's where the industry was in 2006.
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Cellinovation

Jan 5, 2010, 6:04 PM
The point is for this not to be just a Geek device. although it is. the point is that when people go to geeks for advice on what to purchase, what is the biggest and the best.
Just as when something goes wrong with a computer people bring it to a geek.
Your point about linux not being relavant is rediculous. What do you think most secure servers in the world run on. Ill give you hint it sure the hell isn't windows.

I never said you needed to tinker with it. I said Google made it available to push their platform forward. An entire community of people can create features the masses have wanted in their devices for a long time, and Google's dev team then polishes it, and repackages it into the next version of Android. Its an o...
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 7:02 PM
You talk about updating to the latest version like it is so easy, but doesn't it requre stupid carrier approval?

I swear I hate this carrier "approval" crap so much!!! The software wasn't created by the carriers, nor was the hardware created by the carrier. It just pisses me off how much carriers get involved in things that they didn't "MAKE"!!!
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Menno

Jan 6, 2010, 2:32 AM
Not really.

Quickest way:

Root phone, install upgrade manually.

Long way:

Wait for carrier update. Though I bet the "with google" tag will mean faster updates, since those companies seem to work close with Google, so they already have updates churning out.

Android allows you to sideload (bypass even google's own market) any app you want on your phone. You can even do it OTA. Once your phone is rooted (Note, this is NOT the same thing as Jailbreaking) you can load whatever ROMS you create/find on your phone.

And carrier approval does have it's benefits. it largely removes the "bad beta" problem, and we don't have to deal with 60 different versions that disable wifi, the backlight, etc before we get one that works. It a...
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CellStudent

Jan 5, 2010, 4:50 PM
...what?

Stifle innovation for the sake of consistency?

Release only ONE device every year with such painstaking efforts taken to make it 100% backwards compatible that new technology CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED because it would make older devices seem obsolete?

The iPhone team HAD to cripple the 3GS because they wanted it to be 100% backward compatible with the 2G. Almost everything the techies want out of the 3GS they can do by simply jailbreaking it, and the only real reason Apple has not to implement most of the desired features is that they want the same platform, near-identical OS running on all three generations of hardware, and the iPhone 2007 just can't keep up with Snapdragon-like processor demands that users will have 6 mont...
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CellStudent

Jan 5, 2010, 5:00 PM
The Android Market limitations should also read:

"All apps must be fully functional when used on no-keyboard devices, or on keyboard devices when the keypad is concealed and unused, though you MAY wtrite additional code to add extra functionality on QWERTY devices."

None of these guidelines would stop developers from coding non-compliant apps, it would just force them to use their own marketing and purchasing system (like Handango), not the Android Market.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 7:06 PM
The problem is that Android is still in its infancy, and it doesn't appear that Google even gave a roadmap for the platform's development.

That's a problem when you go to buy an Android device, and that's a problem when you go to develop for the Android Platform. It's not even two years old yet there are four versions in active circulation.

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CellStudent

Jan 6, 2010, 12:13 AM
bluecoyote said:
The problem is that Android is still in its infancy, and it doesn't appear that Google even gave a roadmap for the platform's development.

That's a problem when you go to buy an Android device, and that's a problem when you go to develop for the Android Platform. It's not even two years old yet there are four versions in active circulation.


Thank you, ONCE AGAIN, for simply pointing a finger at an issue and offering zero insight on how to deal with it or minimize future problems.

I've given several solid insights as to why this growing pain is NOT a noteworthy setback for the Android movement and you've responded by simply restating your original point? I read it and
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 7:25 PM
I have a question about resolutions, you say that apps need to be made for specific resolutions, but yet DVDs work on 720p/1080i/1080p, even 480i tvs. So what is the difference between DVD movies & menues, and phone apps that have to be made to run on SPECIFIC resolutions, rather than just be displayed at whatever resolution the display is capable or displaying?
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 9:34 PM
A DVD upsampled to a 1080 display looks fuzzy by comparison to a native 1080 movie. It has to stretch 480 pixels to 4x that much.

It's possible to solve this through resolution independence (for example, Flash for the most part is resolution independent), but no OS's are resolution independent, so an application needs to incorporate a varying grid like a web site does.
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 10:24 PM
Oh...that sucks. Well thanks for the explanation. Don't the expalnation, but thanks for it.
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CellStudent

Jan 5, 2010, 9:38 PM
Sadly, the DVD is not an apples to apples comparison. DVDs are static. The data on the disk never changes, and if the screen compresses a bit, or cuts off the outside 1 inch of display or some other compensation, no one really cares.

In the world of application development and gaming, where user interaction can cause completely random things to happen which the developer cannot guess in advance, or apps with news feeds like twitter where new content is pushed to the handheld on a constant basis, the solutions are not so simple.

Have you looked at the Blackberry lineup lately?

https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/manufacturer.php?m=28 »

Every phone launched since the Bold 9000 falls into two categories:

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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 6:13 PM
Don't you ever notice headlines on Phone Scoop that report carriers updating Android handsets?

Likely sometime in the next 3 months, the Droid will get 2.1
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 6:47 PM
I'm guessing in a week or two. there is some January update for the Droid coming.
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 7:08 PM
The Droid Eris?

The MyTouch?

The G1?

The Sprint Hero?

The Cliq?

If these handsets are all going to be on different upgrade paths than what good is it?
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Jayshmay

Jan 5, 2010, 7:12 PM
I blame the carriers, their the ones budding in where they don't belong and deciding for custuomers when the think custoemrs should have the latest version. It pisses me off how much carriers bud in where they don't belong, carriers didn't make Android, nor do they make hardward, . . . but yeah, that's who I blame, the carriers. They are the ones who decide when an Android device gets updated to 2.0/2.1
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CellStudent

Jan 5, 2010, 11:57 PM
Jayshmay said:
I blame the carriers, their the ones budding in where they don't belong and deciding for custuomers when the think custoemrs should have the latest version. It pisses me off how much carriers bud in where they don't belong, carriers didn't make Android, nor do they make hardward, . . . but yeah, that's who I blame, the carriers. They are the ones who decide when an Android device gets updated to 2.0/2.1


Been drinking tonight, or letting your little brother write for you? I've been getting accustomed to much better writing from you.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 7:40 PM
Dropd Eris and Hero are both HTC running the same hardware. There are leaked 2.x roms for them so far.

The g1 will be getting 2.0, most likely not 2.1

Mytouch? at least 2.0. I wouldn't see a reason the cliq wouldn't as well, unless motorola doesn't update Blur (and I don't see why they wouldn't)
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 9:31 PM
Ok, so they're all going to maybe be able to run 2.0 sometime in the future most likely. Eventually.

That's the problem.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 9:51 PM
no it's not
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 9:58 PM
Yeah it is. That kind of mentality is why there are 4 versions of Android out instead of one.
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Menno

Jan 5, 2010, 9:58 PM
you mean like there are countless versions of osx?
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bluecoyote

Jan 5, 2010, 11:37 PM
Go to an Apple Store

How many Macs

On Display

Are running something other than Snow Leopard?

None.
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Menno

Jan 6, 2010, 12:21 AM
because mac makes the product and the software..

you really don't understand the concept of open source
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bluecoyote

Jan 6, 2010, 1:49 AM
Well that's part of it yes. Or go into a Best Buy- excluding Netbooks (Microsoft is having trouble here), how many computers do you see still sold with Windows XP? or Windows Vista?

I'm not talking about variations (Starter, Home Premium, etc.) , those are congruous to Google's "With Google" / not "With Google" designations, for the most part every single laptop you buy at Best Buy ships with and is capable of running the newest release of its respective OS. (barring minor software updates.)

That is NOT the case at all with Android. Yes it's a trait with open source software, but that's one that is Google's job to rectify by developing a proper platform roadmap, which they have not done.
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Menno

Jan 6, 2010, 2:26 AM
Look at the turnover rate for Computers though. If you release the x1 this week, in 6 weeks, you'll be on x3, or maybe just the x2.5.

On top of that, the devices are sold one shot by producers. meaning they don't get residuals if you use their computer (the possible exception being APPLE because of how complete their ecosystem is)

Windows is made at a BASE level to fulfill base requirements. All a company needs to do is throw whatever version of software they wish into the device and ship it out the doors. The reason you don't see many xp computers sold anymore is because Microsoft stopped selling licenses in an attempt to bolster VISTA sales. (They continued to allow it on netbooks because of power requirements). On top of that, ...
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Cellinovation

Jan 6, 2010, 11:38 AM
You have to remember that Google is new to the mobile market. They created a system that works extreamly well for them with other software development, and business in general. They are taking those principals to the mobile market that has been full of manufacturers saying "Hey lets take this in baby steps so we can sell more devices" (and they do. They improve one thing, and expect everyone to fall in love with it like its a whole new model) Google likes to take technology and run with it. Push its limits, and advance technology. Why did they release the Nexus one? They are prepping for a stand alone device to be used on the whitespace freq. Why do you think they want to control the database. What Google is doing in the mobile mar...
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bp3dots1

Jan 6, 2010, 12:52 PM
Remember also, that some devices (hero, eris, x10) run such heavily integrated manufacturer's UI's that the updates have to be outfitted via manufacturer to work on the phones. That is one of the big holdups to having a consistently updated version out there.

Not that it's a bad thing. I got the hero partially because of sense UI, and I don't mind waiting a bit for HTC to get 2.1 working with it.
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