Google Officially Intros the Nexus One
1.5, 1.6, 2.0 , 2.1
Who in their right mind would buy an unlocked handset at full price that belongs to this ecosystem? It'll be pushed aside in a month...
Basically, if it isn't Apple (and they seem to like the Pre) they think it doesn't matter.
And right, I think only Apple and Palm actually have a decent product and platform roadmap. RIM used to but screwed it up. Android's going a thousand different directions ala WinMo in 2006, but the platform as a whole is nowhere because there's no unified vision or roadmap.
All because Google updates their OS more frequently than Apple does not mean they have no unified vision or roadmap. Wake up!
Keep in mind most 1.5 and up handsets will be/are able to take 2.0 and 2.1. 2.1 is a step up and requires a more robust 3D chip. Building to allow backwards compatibility impedes forward progress.
Note that new Microsoft and Apple OS'es require better hardware to allow for higher resolutions, more threads, features, etc.. why should phones be any different?
Though that virtual keyboard could use some more space between the keys.
most 1.5 and 1.6 devices will be upgradeable to at least 2.0.1 or something similar. The only devices stuck on 1.5 are ones that are not "with google" it seems. The biggest 1.5 build out there (the HTC Hero/Eris) has leaked 2.0 roms out there, and HTC all but confirmed (look at past news released here) that they were skipping 1.6 and going straight to 2.0. The g1 can handle 2.0, so the Eris can as well.
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You guys are OK in my book.
Instead he just pointed out the very problem- there's not even a single class of Android devices. Key word "WILL" support 2.0. At what date? When 3.0 comes out? If I buy a G1 i'm running an O.S. that's 4 versions old. Ok, I can hack it to run the new OS, but then what happens if I run into an issue? Is T-Mo going to tell me to bugger off if all of a sudden my phone locks up when I place calls? (That happened with my HTC 6601 back in the day.)
I think it's great that Android is improving at such a rapid pace, but the phones that use it aren't.
you said that Nokia's market share tell 47%, when it fact it fell TO 47% which is 5 times larger than APPLE is, and over twice as large as as the next competitor (Blackberry, a company you also said is shrinking and they DOUBLED their market share)
You seemed to have missed that part. Yes, nokia is losing market share but that's because they were the only real game in town for quite a few places.
I know it doesn't say apple on it so you need to hate it, but seriously.. at least attempt to make sense.
It's a damn shame that AT&T continues, and continues to be absent from Android. With the exception of no physical keyboard, I find the Nexus One very, very attractive, 3D graphics, and I think that live wallpaper feature is so, so !!COOL!! It just adds life to the device. Hopefully the live wallpaper doesn't have a draining effect on the battery though!
And I have confirmed that the Nexus One does indeed have a 3.5 jack!!!
http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_te ... »
tell me then why Ovi and NGage are failing. Tell me why their application market isn't even on the map. Tell me why no major carrier in the U.S. even BOTHERS with their smartphone lineup anymore. Nokia doesn't have a platform by modern smartphone standards- they simply don't. They have a lot of handsets with their name on them but they're cheap low-end handsets. Their high-end handsets don't sell here, and their sales are dipping heavily in Europe.
Blackberry isn't shrinking, but their profit margins are alarmingly fast. The only thing keeping Blackberry in the market is that they're occupying the same part of the market that the Motorola RAZR did right b...
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and did you compare a flip phone to a smartphone? lol
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Chipset on the DROID:
OMAP3430 by Texas Instrument.
Other than being a toy to geeks, I don't see any real reason to buy an Android handset. It may have "tons of potential," but that always seems more like "The NEXT device will be AMAZING" crap we've seen on older smartphone platforms.
That is the big difference. Google wants geek interest, but they have big business interested as well.
I don't know that Google has anyone interested outside of carriers trying to stop an exodus and handset makers who were about to face bankruptcy from a lack of a platform. There's been no significant monetization with the Android marketplace, and large developers have been pulling out solely due to this fragmentation.
This is the same problem Windows Mobile had- Android's only better because it's a decent O.S. in and of itself, but as a platform it's where the industry was in 2006.
Just as when something goes wrong with a computer people bring it to a geek.
Your point about linux not being relavant is rediculous. What do you think most secure servers in the world run on. Ill give you hint it sure the hell isn't windows.
I never said you needed to tinker with it. I said Google made it available to push their platform forward. An entire community of people can create features the masses have wanted in their devices for a long time, and Google's dev team then polishes it, and repackages it into the next version of Android. Its an o...
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I swear I hate this carrier "approval" crap so much!!! The software wasn't created by the carriers, nor was the hardware created by the carrier. It just pisses me off how much carriers get involved in things that they didn't "MAKE"!!!
Quickest way:
Root phone, install upgrade manually.
Long way:
Wait for carrier update. Though I bet the "with google" tag will mean faster updates, since those companies seem to work close with Google, so they already have updates churning out.
Android allows you to sideload (bypass even google's own market) any app you want on your phone. You can even do it OTA. Once your phone is rooted (Note, this is NOT the same thing as Jailbreaking) you can load whatever ROMS you create/find on your phone.
And carrier approval does have it's benefits. it largely removes the "bad beta" problem, and we don't have to deal with 60 different versions that disable wifi, the backlight, etc before we get one that works. It a...
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Stifle innovation for the sake of consistency?
Release only ONE device every year with such painstaking efforts taken to make it 100% backwards compatible that new technology CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED because it would make older devices seem obsolete?
The iPhone team HAD to cripple the 3GS because they wanted it to be 100% backward compatible with the 2G. Almost everything the techies want out of the 3GS they can do by simply jailbreaking it, and the only real reason Apple has not to implement most of the desired features is that they want the same platform, near-identical OS running on all three generations of hardware, and the iPhone 2007 just can't keep up with Snapdragon-like processor demands that users will have 6 mont...
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"All apps must be fully functional when used on no-keyboard devices, or on keyboard devices when the keypad is concealed and unused, though you MAY wtrite additional code to add extra functionality on QWERTY devices."
None of these guidelines would stop developers from coding non-compliant apps, it would just force them to use their own marketing and purchasing system (like Handango), not the Android Market.
That's a problem when you go to buy an Android device, and that's a problem when you go to develop for the Android Platform. It's not even two years old yet there are four versions in active circulation.
bluecoyote said:
The problem is that Android is still in its infancy, and it doesn't appear that Google even gave a roadmap for the platform's development.
That's a problem when you go to buy an Android device, and that's a problem when you go to develop for the Android Platform. It's not even two years old yet there are four versions in active circulation.
Thank you, ONCE AGAIN, for simply pointing a finger at an issue and offering zero insight on how to deal with it or minimize future problems.
I've given several solid insights as to why this growing pain is NOT a noteworthy setback for the Android movement and you've responded by simply restating your original point? I read it and ...
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It's possible to solve this through resolution independence (for example, Flash for the most part is resolution independent), but no OS's are resolution independent, so an application needs to incorporate a varying grid like a web site does.
In the world of application development and gaming, where user interaction can cause completely random things to happen which the developer cannot guess in advance, or apps with news feeds like twitter where new content is pushed to the handheld on a constant basis, the solutions are not so simple.
Have you looked at the Blackberry lineup lately?
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/manufacturer.php?m=28 »
Every phone launched since the Bold 9000 falls into two categories:
Low-end - 320x240 resolutio...
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Likely sometime in the next 3 months, the Droid will get 2.1
The MyTouch?
The G1?
The Sprint Hero?
The Cliq?
If these handsets are all going to be on different upgrade paths than what good is it?
Jayshmay said:
I blame the carriers, their the ones budding in where they don't belong and deciding for custuomers when the think custoemrs should have the latest version. It pisses me off how much carriers bud in where they don't belong, carriers didn't make Android, nor do they make hardward, . . . but yeah, that's who I blame, the carriers. They are the ones who decide when an Android device gets updated to 2.0/2.1
Been drinking tonight, or letting your little brother write for you? I've been getting accustomed to much better writing from you.
The g1 will be getting 2.0, most likely not 2.1
Mytouch? at least 2.0. I wouldn't see a reason the cliq wouldn't as well, unless motorola doesn't update Blur (and I don't see why they wouldn't)
That's the problem.
How many Macs
On Display
Are running something other than Snow Leopard?
None.
you really don't understand the concept of open source
I'm not talking about variations (Starter, Home Premium, etc.) , those are congruous to Google's "With Google" / not "With Google" designations, for the most part every single laptop you buy at Best Buy ships with and is capable of running the newest release of its respective OS. (barring minor software updates.)
That is NOT the case at all with Android. Yes it's a trait with open source software, but that's one that is Google's job to rectify by developing a proper platform roadmap, which they have not done.
On top of that, the devices are sold one shot by producers. meaning they don't get residuals if you use their computer (the possible exception being APPLE because of how complete their ecosystem is)
Windows is made at a BASE level to fulfill base requirements. All a company needs to do is throw whatever version of software they wish into the device and ship it out the doors. The reason you don't see many xp computers sold anymore is because Microsoft stopped selling licenses in an attempt to bolster VISTA sales. (They continued to allow it on netbooks because of power requirements). On top of that, ...
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Not that it's a bad thing. I got the hero partially because of sense UI, and I don't mind waiting a bit for HTC to get 2.1 working with it.
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