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Android is a mess, and this is why it's going to fail.

bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 5:03 PM
This is the same problem Windows Mobile has, and this fragmentation exactly why it won't ever gain real traction or have any real influence in the mobile world. An Android developer already has to deal with multiple hardware configurations (keyboard? virtual? screen res?) , as well as devices running Android 1.5, 1.6, and 2.0.

The worst part? A lot of these devices won't see Android 2.0. So if I buy a new Android handset today, what are the odds I won't see Android 3.0? This is why there are no best-of-breed Android apps.

An iPhone from 2007 is still able to run OS 3.0 (not with all the features but that's a helluvalot better than what G1 owners currently get). The same goes for a Palm Pre.
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 5:05 PM
I'm a Palm developer and an iPhone owner. Having owned and developed for various smartphones I'm going to straight-up say this is a significant factor.
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pfs2009

Dec 11, 2009, 11:18 PM
When you say "Palm developer" do you mean PalmOS or webOS. I thought webOS would be very upgradable.
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bluecoyote

Dec 12, 2009, 12:53 AM
Both, but presently for WebOS. Ironically, developing for both is not too different if you remember the days of Palm Query Apps.
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dnbstyle29

Dec 11, 2009, 5:10 PM
And this post ois why You fail.




Every phone OS has its own strengths and weaknesses... even the precious and mighty *cough* *cough* iPhone.
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 5:17 PM
Way to fail at failing.

Of course the iPhone has its weaknesses and compromises. But Android's are significant for a platform in 2009.
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JeffdaBeat

Dec 11, 2009, 7:57 PM
I have to agree with you. That's one of the reasons I think development on the iPhone has been so successful. You make your product for one screen size and really only a few series of phones (Original, 3G, or 3GS). I think Google is awesome for putting their OS out there for manufacturers to sell, but because of that...and different processors, screen sizes, and features, it's going to be rough customizing apps and updates for each phone.

That's one of the things I was wondering about with this rumored iPhone for Verizon that is supposed to have a smaller screen. All of a sudden, all 100,000+ apps have to be made for a different diminsion screen.
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Jayshmay

Dec 12, 2009, 8:28 AM
I have a ? about Android, I heard that you can't save a picture to a memory card from an mms. Is that true?
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AndroidRules

Dec 12, 2009, 1:23 PM
Jayshmay said:
I have a ? about Android, I heard that you can't save a picture to a memory card from an mms. Is that true?


Yes. You go to the pic, press and hold down on it until a menu comes up. Then you select the option "Copy attached to SD card" and there you go.
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JeffdaBeat

Dec 11, 2009, 8:08 PM
I don't think BlueCoyote is really pimping the iPhone more than he is just saying the business model for the Android OS is flawed much like Windows Mobile. It's hard for developers to make apps for phones with different screen diminsion or processors. That hurts consumers more than it does anyone else. One Android phone will be able to do one thing while other can do another. With iPhones, there is really only one phone to create for...
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Jayshmay

Dec 12, 2009, 8:39 AM
Doesn't Android have something like 15k apps? I know that doesn't compare well to the Iphones whopping 100k, but 15k apps isn't too bad considering Android as an OS has only been out for like what, 14 months or so?
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JeffdaBeat

Dec 12, 2009, 8:42 AM
Again, you are making this into an "iPhone is better than Android" argument and he isn't trying to do that. He just means it is easier for a software developer to develop for a single platform instead of multiple.
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crood

Dec 11, 2009, 6:49 PM
And yet the same could be said of Windows vs. Mac, but which has greater market share?
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murmermer

Dec 11, 2009, 7:19 PM
but Android doesn't have every company in the world wanting to use it as its end all operating System.

Apple has tons of research showing that their OS (OSX) is more user friendly and blah blah blah, but 80% of people don't want to use one OS at work and a completely different OS at home. Android doesn't have the luxury of being as popular as the iPhone or the power of Windows mobile. Google should have been working on making everything linear instead out-dating the hardware of its original product (G1) within 1 year!
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JeffdaBeat

Dec 11, 2009, 8:05 PM
I think if Steve Jobs wanted to overtake Microsoft, he'd let manfacturers use the OS and make his own computers cheaper. Apple doesn't care about market share. They care about their computers being thought of as premium devices...not cheap. Most people buy iPhones not because of product...because let's be honest, you can do most iPhone things on any other phone. They buy it to say they own an iPhone. And that's exactly what Jobs wants.
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Jayshmay

Dec 12, 2009, 8:44 AM
Kinda like the Louis Vuitton of phones, huh? People just buy so they can say they have the
"-name-"
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Jayshmay

Dec 12, 2009, 8:41 AM
Macs are also a whole lot more $$$ than PCs. A lot more!
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ells2187

Dec 11, 2009, 7:05 PM
Really, you are dogging android because some people have to wait a few months to get the new software. those are some high expectations for an iphone user who waited 3 years for picture messaging. lol. yup i agree, that is why android will fail. lol. you are a joke. i guess you dont live in san fran or new york because they drop you like a bad habit. enjoy your over priced excelent device with a POS phone attached to it. becasue that is what you are paying hundreds of dollars for. a good mp3 player with a bad phone.
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 7:41 PM
um try 6 months, or how about... not at all? Didn't catch that?

Don't forget the best of breed web browser, email client, and uh, 100,000 apps. And At&t's network is excellent about everywhere I go, so it's fine.

Oh, and for 2 years I had to *gasp* email photos, or use Facebook, or Twitter, or Flickr, or MobileMe... Yes how I regret having a great web browser because I had to use Email to send pictures....
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Kayslay34

Dec 11, 2009, 7:53 PM
LOL everywhere.... you haven't seen AT&T's 3g maps yet... And still at&t scored lowest in data speeds recently by independent studies by cnet and boy genius. And guess what guess who is ranked as the worst cell phone company this year by consumers..... IT WAS AT&T. But other than that your right about the updates and androids' mess of OS updates.
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JeffdaBeat

Dec 11, 2009, 8:01 PM
Actually, AT&T's EDGE network isn't that much slower than the real world speeds that Verizon and Sprint call their 3G network (EVDO). Also, Verizon benefits from strong roaming agreements with Sprint where as AT&T's only major partner is T-Mobile.

And I'm sorry, EDGE isn't that slow at all. People get so worked up over the phrase 3G it's ridiculous. I keep my iPhone on EDGE when I'm not on wifi and it's only a pain when I am downloading something...surfing the web is pretty quick...then again I'm just a 24-year-old. I remember dial up speeds. You kids these days and your broadband...
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shiftmobile

Dec 11, 2009, 8:15 PM
Rationalization is a great tool when you're not in first.

btw, might want to do some research about the roaming agreements between Sprint and Verizon.
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shiftmobile

Dec 11, 2009, 8:21 PM
Sorry, I meant Sprint vs Verizon coverage.
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JeffdaBeat

Dec 11, 2009, 11:51 PM
I know their roaming agreements. Sprint and Verizon share coverage up to EVDO. They don't allow roaming on the others' EVDO Rev. A network. They also put each other at the bottom of each other's PRL so users don't roam unless they absolutely have to.
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Slammer

Dec 12, 2009, 10:21 AM
I am twice your age and yet still absolutely care about speed for my business and personal needs. CDMA and it's EVDO technology is still the major factor of attraction for many in rendering fast and efficient transactions. EDGE is old school and is symbolic of a display in a museum.
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bluecoyote

Dec 12, 2009, 2:01 PM
Uhm, EDGE is significantly better than 1XRTT, and it's much more reliable than 1X, EVDO, or AT&T's HSDP (all CDMA based technologies.) Additionally, it's significantly more energy efficient.

Even back in the days of the original iPhone, it was often as fast or faster at rendering web sites than most phones running EVDO (see the original Phonescoop review) simply due to bottlenecking on the handset itself.
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Slammer

Dec 13, 2009, 7:11 PM
Your response appears to parry my intended post. EDGE compared to today's EVDO Rev.A, is significantly slower. I was responding to jeffdabeat's post of him being satisfied with EDGE's speed. I would not be. I would think you would not as well. Why not get the most out of your iphone?
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JeffdaBeat

Dec 13, 2009, 9:41 AM
See...it's all about perception. Again, with real world speeds, EDGE isn't that much slower than EVDO (again, real world speeds), but because you are told it isn't 3G, you feel like it is a huge, deal breaking problem.

But if you are in a major city, you really have nothing to worry about.
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AndroidRules

Dec 13, 2009, 6:39 PM
JeffdaBeat said:
See...it's all about perception. Again, with real world speeds, EDGE isn't that much slower than EVDO (again, real world speeds), but because you are told it isn't 3G, you feel like it is a huge, deal breaking problem.

But if you are in a major city, you really have nothing to worry about.


Well I can't speak for EVDO but. EDGE to UMTS is quite a difference for me. I would typically get 140kbps on EDGE using my speedtest.net app on my phone. With T-Mo's 3G, I consistantly get over 1mbps. Big difference.
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 8:40 PM
I'm in Cincinnati Ohio right now. I'm averaging 2.1 Mbps an peaking 2.9mbps according to my iPhone. You want to know where in the USA Verizon's Network is capable of sustaining these speeds? Nowhere.

I've had bad spots in ATT's network, but to say their network is worse than Verizon's everywere is BS.
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