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Mark_S

Dec 10, 2009, 10:23 AM
Mr. of the Meadow needs to get his !@@X&#$ straight before letting marketing go ahead with Owen Wilson throwing around postcards at a floor map of the U.S.
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flagrantmisuse

Dec 10, 2009, 11:09 AM
ahem...luke wilson. 😁
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yakety222

Dec 10, 2009, 1:29 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jayshmay

Dec 11, 2009, 12:08 AM
I don't even know ?who? Luke Wilson is?
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flagrantmisuse

Dec 11, 2009, 3:08 PM
well done.
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yakety222

Dec 14, 2009, 2:06 PM
I take pride in my job as a wireless consultant 😲 😲 😲 😲
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yakety222

Dec 10, 2009, 1:30 PM
OUCHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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BeachSlapped

Dec 10, 2009, 2:22 PM
I don't get it. So, even though they got all this spectrum, they still have problems????
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Redrum69

Dec 10, 2009, 2:57 PM
So many people are using iPhones now days that it's hogging the network with the extremely advanced web browsing. The company is currently working on its data network everyday to make it better and better e.i. Bandwidth... I can agree that it is struggling with all the high end data users. If any other company were to take at&t's seconds on the iPhone they would have network issues just as at&t does. For example Verizon, they claim they have the largest 3G network. That doesn't mean they have the largest bandwith or fastest network... I guarantee they would have the same network issues, if not worse and the speed would be terrible... The EVDO data network is only 2-3 times faster then At&t's EDGE network... Also, here's the reality of Verizo...
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Menno

Dec 10, 2009, 3:57 PM
Actually, the way EVDO handle data would make heavy iphone usage less of an issue because, while web speed might go down, you would not have the issue of dropped calls since data and voice are separate. And because of Verizon's network build out and technology (CDMA towers can handle a lot more traffic) the network would not be congested until much later. So their might be an issue here and there at an iphone conference, but you wouldn't have the widespread connection issues you have now.

Factor in that a huge chunk of Verizon's customers live outside cities (thus in lower populated areas) and the usage is spread out even more.

And sorry, apple insider thought that $30 for tethering on the droid was higher than any other phone when i...
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bluecoyote

Dec 10, 2009, 4:25 PM
Actually, it's separate on both- and UMTS is a CDMA-based technology. And with the way the back links between towers are constructed, a large rural population creating a heavy data load would be far more difficult.

And despite what some people have said, AT&T's connection issues aren't widespread- their network is excellent in much of the southeastern US and midwest. I've found that it actually handles traffic surges better than Verizon or Sprint's network (for example, college football games where I've been entirely unable to place a call with Verizon but still managed data with AT&T with full bars on both).

But even a good network can get overloaded, and that's AT&T's problem in NYC and SF. AT&T's network in Charlotte supposedly h...
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jundibasam

Dec 10, 2009, 8:46 PM
I live in Charlotte and have season tickets to South Carolina football games, and AT&T absolutely sucks in every game i've ever been to in the SEC and in Charlotte/Lake Norman area whereas i've never had an issue since I dumped ATT and went with verizon a little more than a year ago. I travel throughout the Southeastern U.S. and love the data speeds and stable connections I get with my TP2 and Droid. AT&T may be slightly faster if you can get a 3G connection, but that is a big IF where I am. Verizon's connection is still more than fast enough for tethering (with TP2) and even streaming movies and TV on my phones. But the most important is that it is stable, and stability means more than poor network service.
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bluecoyote

Dec 10, 2009, 9:52 PM
Go to a Clemson game, you'll be dropping calls with Verizon while your AT&T-owning friends can twitter about it.

In the Charlotte area AT&T's network is far more consistent than Verizon's, I'm calling BS.
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art23ncsu

Dec 11, 2009, 9:42 AM
Wrong. Verizon is superior in Clemson, everywhere in SC, the Mountains of NC by a total landslide, Charlotte, Lake Norman too. 🙄
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 12:53 PM
Verizon doesn't even have solid coverage from Clemson to Greenville. If you actually went there you'd know that. 🙄
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SprintCC

Dec 11, 2009, 1:58 PM
Not a verizon fan, but I do know that driving from Anderson to Greenwood with my wife last week gave us both good coverage the entire way. She has Verizon and I have AT&T.

At Oklahoma games my AT&T phone never has coverage. Of course, just about everyone I know in the OKC area has AT&T so that is probably part of the problem. I do know Sprint works fine in the stadium, but not at the Cotton Bowl for the OU-Texas game- my AT&T phone works fine then. It really is just a matter of where you're standing at any given moment. All of the fights between AT&T and VZW are for show. Both networks are good but both have problems from time to time. Same is true for Sprint and T-Mobile for the most part. It is all a game trying to convince people that...
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jundibasam

Dec 11, 2009, 7:41 PM
I don't live in Clemson but I have traveled there for games and to visit friends and every game I ever went to when I had AT&T was a nightmare. My first Clemson game as a Verizon customer was the Clemson/SC game November 2008 and my Verizon phone worked superbly. My brother's AT&T phone, not so much, which was always my experiece. Things never change with AT&T. At least I feel i'm getting my money's worth with Verizon because I can get a 3G everywhere I go when that almost never happened when I had AT&T.
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 9:59 PM
AT&T's the only provider with an infrastructure even IN Clemson- Verizon's network bottoms out much quicker. I can tell you now- Verizon customers lose their service before Sprint (used to be flip-flopped, Sprint built another tower) and AT&T but after T-MO. Every game.
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Menno

Dec 10, 2009, 4:15 PM
About that article:

"There is no distinguishing between these two levels of service (one being similar to EDGE, the other being roughly twice as fast) on Verizon's coverage maps."
Actually there is, if you are covered by "Broadband access" you have EVDO Rev A. If you are covered by National Access you have either Rev O or 1xrtt.

It should me mentioned that Att doesn't even let you SEE the difference between their 3g and 2g coverage until you zoom in. Verizon's map is much more honest in this regard.

AT&T's data networks
Edge approaches EVDO Rev O, not Rev A, and Verizon's upload speeds are significantly faster.

Verizon is not arguing that where available, Att is fast, but they are pointing out that it's not avail
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art23ncsu

Dec 11, 2009, 9:39 AM
Typical I Phone lover bull crap article. I m getting 2.3 megs per second tethering for free on my Moto Droid using PDANET app. Aircards themselves get 1.80 mgbs +. Even in the latest Consumer Reports AT&T has dropped even farther, to last in many cities(even Sprint is whooping them), rated by over 50,000 legit users. I say, you say, but 50,000 speaks on its own. Verizon has been the best OVERALL through out the nation for 7 years now. Its been that way and will continue to be that way. Phones are meant to make calls and Verizon has the best network. If Verizon had the I Phone, Id still pick a Android system over it 100% of the time. I Phone is old news and Verizon continues to be the best. End of story.
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 12:52 PM
..and Android isn't even close. But enjoy that $350.00 ETF!
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art23ncsu

Dec 11, 2009, 1:31 PM
bluecoyote said:
..and Android isn't even close. But enjoy that $350.00 ETF!


It doesnt violate the Terms of Service so nice try. Even people that know what they are talking about, unlike you, like Verizon Account Managers say Verizon isnt placing restrictions on the Android. They knew this going in and accepted the "open source" wonderfulness! Verizon knows its there. Its on every phones Market. PDANET has been out for quite a while now and people have been using it on all other advanced devices too. $30 data packages on Advanced devices is unlimited...there is no 5Gigs to worry about. Any other unknowledgeable information you would like to type?
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 3:02 PM
1) Verizon Wireless charges $15.00/month to tether "Smartphones" See here:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/? ... »

2) There is a 5GB limit as it clearly states right there. I see no "Unlimited" option.

3) You're not even paying for the tethering program. That is explicity prohibited in the Verizon TOS right here:

"PDA/smartphone and BlackBerry® Plans: These VZEmail plans cannot be used: (1) for access to the Internet, intranets, or other data networks except as the device’s native applications and capabilities permit, unless you subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect; or (2) for any applications that tether your device to laptops or personal computers other than for use of the Wireless ...
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 3:09 PM
The 2nd page link is broken, it can be viewed on the Verizon Wireless web site when signing up for a new smartphone plan.
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art23ncsu

Dec 11, 2009, 4:46 PM
Did you even read the link you added?

You fail at reading comprehension so let me break it down to a elementary level for you. Im speaking of the $30 data plans for cellular phones required by PDA's, Blackberries, Droids etc., That is Unlimited. IF you add a Broadband Access package to a Verizon phone to 'tether' with your phone, its another $30 extra which is 5 gigs a month allowance. A Aircard is 5 gigs a month for all carriers also. IF you have a $45 data package on a Blackberry with Corporate provsioning, its $15 extra. If you have the regular $30, its $30 extra to tether. Your not a Verizon rep so I dont truly expect you to see that I guess. The packages vary, from $15 to $30.

But Using PDANET app to tether, USING the basic $30 U...
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bluecoyote

Dec 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
1) It states very clearly in the TOS (which I kindly quoted for you) that that $30.00 / $45.00 (corporate provisioning) "unlimited plan" that tethering is prohibited.

"(1) for access to the Internet, intranets, or other data networks except as the device’s native applications and capabilities permit, unless you subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect; or (2) for any applications that tether your device to laptops or personal computers other than for use of the Wireless Sync or the BlackBerry solution, unless you subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect."

See that? That's in the TOS for the $30.00 plan included with smartphones/Droid. Yes it's "unlimited", but you can't tether with it. Period. That's e-x-a-c-t-l-y what they me...
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waldorfsalad

Dec 12, 2009, 10:12 AM
Its odd. The Apple Insider link you included uses a surgeon's precision to make a case for Verizon's shady, misrepresentational marketing- while simultaneously touting ATT's network as nothing short of a success. This raises two questions in my mind. 1) Why are there so many folks (usually with iphones), complaining on the web about poor service and coverage? 2) Why Does ATT rank so low on Consumer Reports?
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bluecoyote

Dec 12, 2009, 9:09 PM
Because...

1) AT&T's network in San Francisco and NYC, where there is an extremely high concentration of iPhone users, has had congestion issues. So you've got the vocal blogger community whining about how bad their service is.

2) You've got Joe Average who got a dropped call here or there, read these articles, and decided "Hey, AT&T's bad here TOO!"

3) You've got a lot of network fanboys who are hopping on the anti-AT&T sentiment.

4) You've got a lot off people who are out of touch with the cell phone world, especially with the iPhone. They don't remember the days of owning a Pocket PC on Verizon Wireless / Sprint and not being able to place a call, or enjoying T-Mobile's huge coverage gaps before the Suncom merge, because befo...
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art23ncsu

Dec 13, 2009, 5:39 PM
to answer your top 3....its cause ATT is inferior lol 🤣

to answer number 4, the I phone was revoutionary 3 years ago...yawn, been there done that. The only change the have made is make it 3g capable and allow picture messaging. Its behind the times, on to the new flavor of the month....and the new flavor is a Android ...whatever it may be is superior, hands down!!! On Verizon's network makes it a no brainer! Sorry someone has to lose and its ATT and Iphones lol 🤣
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