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Verizon Is Also Lying About Sprint's 3G Coverage

jrfdsf

Nov 13, 2009, 4:46 PM
But Sprint is in no position to do anything about for obvious reasons.
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USCCFANINKS

Nov 13, 2009, 4:50 PM
Sprint also roams on to a lot of VZW's 3G. bring the facts......
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Azeron

Nov 14, 2009, 2:44 PM
Where can I find these facts? It was my understanding that Sprint had a data roaming agreement with Alltel before they were acquired, but not with Verizon. Verizon agreed to honor all of Alltel's existing roaming agreements as a condition of the 'merger' going through, but that would not have opened other areas which were not covered. So... Please help me by pointing me in the same direction.
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xanadul14619

Nov 16, 2009, 11:31 AM
USCC----If they are roaming and not charging the consumer how is that different, you still are covered please pluck your head from your darkside......
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Andy_B

Nov 16, 2009, 3:29 PM
Verizon is not going to renew the agreements once they are up, get excited for no coverage!
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Slammer

Nov 13, 2009, 4:50 PM
How is Verizon lying about Sprint's coverage? I haven't seen or heard any commercials or comments against Sprint.
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jrfdsf

Nov 13, 2009, 5:05 PM
Slammer said:
How is Verizon lying about Sprint's coverage? I haven't seen or heard any commercials or comments against Sprint.

Check their website. The Sprint map on Verizon's website is not the same as the Sprint 3G map on Sprint's site.
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boomer916

Nov 14, 2009, 12:33 PM
Neither company ever mentions Sprint. Its a joke. Sprint, unlike ATT, actually launched 3g throughout their network instead of this splotchy 3g crap. And, contrary to popular belief, Verizon is not God when it comes to coverage everywhere. Ive had Sprint for many years and travel up and down California. Ive never had a problem with Sprint coverage. The only time ive ever roamed is when I go into areas that just dont have any native Sprint coverage. As is small towns with 20,000 or less population. Never had any problems with customer care because Ive never had to really call them. Get signed up on the right plan and pay your bills. Not that hard really. 🙂
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Slammer

Nov 14, 2009, 8:16 PM
Exactly! I feel Sprint is #1. The number of subscribers does not make a company #1. Buying and acquirng companies and subscribers does indeed portray the illusion of dominance, But in reality an individuals final choice to fit their needs, makes their choice the best. Verizon's native coverage is awesome. But essentially it is too large for me. I simply do not need this expance coverage. I won't use it on a regular basis. Sprint has met or exceeded my expectations in my travels at a much lower cost. This makes them #1 in my book.
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VZW_insider

Nov 14, 2009, 2:52 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe that the 3g coverage Sprint portrays on their map on their website includes their roaming agreements. Verizon's claims right now are based on the carriers own native network, minus roaming agreements.

So they're not lying about Sprint's 3g coverage map, but they are also choosing not to antagonize Sprint in any of the commercials. I'm sure if they were going after Sprint like they are AT&T, Sprint would be suing, and they would actually have a legitimate claim because of roaming agreements with Verizon that provide 3g coverage.

Like I said, I could be wrong but that is a very educated guess.
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SPCSVZWJeff

Nov 16, 2009, 12:55 PM
No,
Verizon is claiming roaming partners coverage as their own native coverage because the map is all red. Sprint, T-Mobile and AT&T show different colors to show consumers the differences in signal strength as well as roaming partner coverage. Verizon just paints it all red. At this point there are no EVDO roaming agreements between CDMA carriers now that Verizon owns Alltel.
What makes Verizon's claims the worst is that they know the information is misleading but because they spend more on TV ads than the other 3 big carriers combined there is not anyone out there really going after VZW.
AT&T has the iPhone, VZW has their enormous ad budget. Without both they would be in much worse shape.
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VZW_insider

Nov 16, 2009, 3:34 PM
If there are no more EVDO roaming agreements between CDM carriers as you say, then Verizon can't be claiming roaming partners as part of their coverage map.

But this of course is actually false because Verizon does provide roaming coverage for Sprint, especially in former Alltel areas where it is mandated by the government as part of the terms and conditions for the Alltel purchase that Verizon keep those roaming agreements available.

If you truly feel Verizon is only as successful as it is due to it's ad budget, you're clearly just biased against the company. Each company is in business because they are run by professionals that know what they are doing. Sprint is trying to bounce back from a poor decision to buy Nextel. It was a sho...
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SPCSVZWJeff

Nov 16, 2009, 4:44 PM
They do not differentiate between EVDO and 1X on their maps. Like I said earlier 1X qualifies as 3G so they are not legally lying, but the truth is being stretched.

The theme of this entire thread is the disingenuity of Verizon in their advertisements. This disingenuity is not being owned up to at all or defended adequately. Because deception is deception and when it is on the scale of this lie it becomes a major concern because of the negative effects it can have on the competition. If the coverage were claimed as apples to apples, EVDO to HSPA then there would be no problem. The ad misrepresents AT&T's coverage by implication which however you slice it is an intentional deception, maybe not legally but ethically. Do people want to do bu...
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VZW_insider

Nov 16, 2009, 5:22 PM
I'm always game for having my position changed by informed individuals.

Currently Verizon Wireless reports it's 1xrtt coverage (voice and text) separately from it's EVDO (3G) coverage. If you compare the advertised maps to the EVDO coverage map you will see they are the same.

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorCo ... »

VCAST and Broadband are the services that operate on Verizon's EVDO or 3G network. If you don't have EVDO, you can't use either service.

Here is another excellent article from Engadget that addresses the 1xrtt claim as 3G issue.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/11/1 »

In the end... Verizon Wireless is NOT including 1xrtt as 3g. Pleas...
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SPCSVZWJeff

Nov 16, 2009, 6:27 PM
How about the fact that people's aircard connection screens are showing 1XRTT in a metro? If it's because the EVDO network is overloaded and is ahifting people to 1X then it blows a hole in the network reliability thing as engineers should be able to account for capacity issues. Not every tower in a market has EVDO equipment, only the ones that will handle a large volume of use. Which is why AT&T continues with EDGE in sparsely populated markets. It's also why USCC will probably not ever put EVDO in some areas.

When the original 3G spec was agreed upon 1XRTT or CDMA 2000 as it was called then met the spec. So from that perspective it is true regardless of what engadget says.
My comment was more about lying about AT&T coverage by implica...
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